No problem with limited time items that are cosmetic, keeps content fresh.

If they respected their player base they wouldn't have lied to us for a year.

This is an MMORPG, and you are not a player you are a money sponge. Prepare to be squeezed!

Plantagenet wrote: »

No problem with limited time items that are cosmetic, keeps content fresh.

If they respected their player base they wouldn't have lied to us for a year.

This is an MMORPG, and you are not a player you are a money sponge. Prepare to be squeezed!

I'm talking about permanent items that are only in the store for a limited time, thus squeezing outrageous sums of money from the collector demographic. I'm completely fine with limited use items in there, just to clarify, if that's what was thought.

Agreed on the second part, especially now a days. God, I miss my DAoC and Warhammer Online days soo much. The golden age of western mmo is long past, I fear. One of the original reasons I wanted (still do) to support ZOS so greatly.

I feel the same way...
I don't think I have a type of disorder but when it comes to video games I really feel the need to have every exclusive item and being able to potentially achieve everything in the game.
I don't know if ESO will take this path when it comes to content but if you look at content like cosmetics they already announced that they are going to release a mount called the "Striped Senche". If I got it right you only get it the day before the release of the "new game" Elder Scrolls Online Tamriel Unlimited after having payed for at least 300 days (10 months) of game time. Now like I said FROM MY UNDERSTANDING after this day if you have not payed for 10 months there is no way you can get this mount. I don't know if other items like this exist (but I surely hope not).
Something to think about.
p.s http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/02/19/nine-month-loyalty-reward-and-more (link to the announcement)

Sorry to say, but you're in the Minority. It's perfectly reasonable to have Limited Time items in the store (as long as they are purely cosmetic, and don't make a player more powerful, or reach a higher point quicker than other players).

That being said, how are you not bothered by not having the 10 month Senche Mount Or any loyalty reward for that matter? Or the Beta Pet Monkey?

There would be no value in anything if it was fully available to all players all the time.

It's nice to have items that differentiate players, that's what makes an MMO good. If everyone could be the same, that would be bland and dull. Limited and Unique items help flourish the idea that we can all be different, but on the same level.

To say that players are entitled to every piece of DLC that Zenimax makes is completely ridiculous. You must be against all types of games that also have DLC with that mentality.

I'm too lazy to find the link, but ZoS has already said they will have some kind of monthly rotation on crown store items. It is a bit predatory, there are people with a compulsion to collect, but this is the business ZoS has decided to be in. They've decided to put themselves in a position where they have to continually sell something new in order to be profitable, and they will first target the people with the least amount of impulse control.

firstdecan wrote: »

I'm too lazy to find the link, but ZoS has already said they will have some kind of monthly rotation on crown store items. It is a bit predatory, there are people with a compulsion to collect, but this is the business ZoS has decided to be in. They've decided to put themselves in a position where they have to continually sell something new in order to be profitable, and they will first target the people with the least amount of impulse control.

I think you're talking about the article discussed in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153207/mmorpg-article-with-matt-firor-leaves-this-subscriber-feeling-pointless-and-not-worth-anything/p1

Limited time offers and monthly rotations are the plan. Gotta keep the cash flowing. Yeah I feel a little bad for the folks who have a compulsive need to buy everything.

Slurg wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

I'm too lazy to find the link, but ZoS has already said they will have some kind of monthly rotation on crown store items. It is a bit predatory, there are people with a compulsion to collect, but this is the business ZoS has decided to be in. They've decided to put themselves in a position where they have to continually sell something new in order to be profitable, and they will first target the people with the least amount of impulse control.

I think you're talking about the article discussed in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153207/mmorpg-article-with-matt-firor-leaves-this-subscriber-feeling-pointless-and-not-worth-anything/p1

Limited time offers and monthly rotations are the plan. Gotta keep the cash flowing. Yeah I feel a little bad for the folks who have a compulsive need to buy everything.

ugh... the last game I played that had the "BUY THIS FOR A LIMITED TIME!!!" type cash shop I just outright quit because I got tired of feeling that "should I get it/should I not get it?" stress.

Grapdjan wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with limited time offers. It will at least mean not everyone has everything.

I'd be more worried about limited time offers that aren't clearly marked as such. TSW pulled that by randomly removing stuff from the shop. It actually made it more annoying than an incentive, since there was no warning when something would vanish forever.

Slurg wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

I'm too lazy to find the link, but ZoS has already said they will have some kind of monthly rotation on crown store items. It is a bit predatory, there are people with a compulsion to collect, but this is the business ZoS has decided to be in. They've decided to put themselves in a position where they have to continually sell something new in order to be profitable, and they will first target the people with the least amount of impulse control.

I think you're talking about the article discussed in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153207/mmorpg-article-with-matt-firor-leaves-this-subscriber-feeling-pointless-and-not-worth-anything/p1

Limited time offers and monthly rotations are the plan. Gotta keep the cash flowing. Yeah I feel a little bad for the folks who have a compulsive need to buy everything.

From what I've seen on the Store, it looks like the limited time rotations will be cost discounts rather than items becoming unavailable... but... I'm not sure.

firstdecan wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

I'm too lazy to find the link, but ZoS has already said they will have some kind of monthly rotation on crown store items. It is a bit predatory, there are people with a compulsion to collect, but this is the business ZoS has decided to be in. They've decided to put themselves in a position where they have to continually sell something new in order to be profitable, and they will first target the people with the least amount of impulse control.

I think you're talking about the article discussed in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153207/mmorpg-article-with-matt-firor-leaves-this-subscriber-feeling-pointless-and-not-worth-anything/p1

Limited time offers and monthly rotations are the plan. Gotta keep the cash flowing. Yeah I feel a little bad for the folks who have a compulsive need to buy everything.

The good news (or bad news to some) is that skimpy sexy armor is an inevitability. ZoS will need to put that into the store to keep revenues up. I hope they do something somewhat tasteful, and not some tacky 'chainkini.' It'll be bad enough seeing all the Nords in Cyrodiil wearing the wedding dress, I don't think I could handle more absurdity.

Well, the Seducer outfit will now be available account wide once it's been unlocked... so that's probably bad news for you.

Miflett wrote: »

I'm a big crazy now a days and really expect to have all content "available" to me when I purchase a game and subscribe. "Available" in this context refers to something that I can have access to, without time concern, to be achieved by progress in game or through purchase. This virtual currency shop path has crushed my dreams of enjoyment out of many once pleasant experiences.

I fully support a virtual shop if the development of it stays grounded and player-thinking. Far too many times have I seen this path end up with the shop team predatorily making "time limited exclusives now in the cash shop." If we go down that road here, coupled with my ocpd about collecting things, I will sadly have to move on.

Just, please, stay grounded and leave time limited predatory cash grabs out of the shop. I know you respect your base, and wish you luck in this. We'll all need it.

Im glad I don't have ocpd if it means an undeniable urge to buy all of the garbage that gets pushed in the cash shop.

I wouldn't mind if the game went like Tera, where all items in cash shops are just mounts, fashion without stats, and some stuff used to improve gear that can also be obtained in large quantities in game
If we're going the Rift way, we're done for: prepare for lots of rng boxes that contain useless pots or items needed to improve raid gear tht has a small chance to drop from the actual raid boss...

Paparoski wrote: »

Froggmann5 wrote: »

Sorry to say, but you're in the Minority. It's perfectly reasonable to have Limited Time items in the store (as long as they are purely cosmetic, and don't make a player more powerful, or reach a higher point quicker than other players).

That being said, how are you not bothered by not having the 10 month Senche Mount Or any loyalty reward for that matter? Or the Beta Pet Monkey?

There would be no value in anything if it was fully available to all players all the time.

It's nice to have items that differentiate players, that's what makes an MMO good. If everyone could be the same, that would be bland and dull. Limited and Unique items help flourish the idea that we can all be different, but on the same level.

To say that players are entitled to every piece of DLC that Zenimax makes is completely ridiculous. You must be against all types of games that also have DLC with that mentality.

You're missing the point mate, I don't care about dlc as long as I could potentially have access to it. And just to point out : the beta monkey, or the imperial pet, or the new mudcrab, or the dog from steam and the figurine or the guar pet or the scrib pet or the pig pet, all those things are not "limited time" items since beta keys are everywhere and anyone could go on ebay and buy one for 5 bucks. I am talking about purely limited time items like the tiger. If you do not meet the requirements on the selected day you don't get anything.

Sometimes, people get special rewards for their activity in the game or to celebrate anniversaries. This is a common practice.

You had the same opportunity as everyone else to get the loyalty rewards.

Considering some of the promotions/rewards that were released before going buy-to-play I'd be very surprised if the crown store didn't include limited time items.

They've already awarded exclusive pets for participating in the beta, buying the Imperial Edition, pre-ordering, subscribing for 6 and 9 months, paying your subscription via steam and buying a guar plush toy. And those are just the ones I've heard about while reading the forum, there may well be others.

I don't think B2P games are evil scams to force money from players like some people do (the opposite in fact, I'd rather play a B2P game than a P2P one) but since ZoS have already shown a tenancy towards limited time/availability cosmetic items I think it would be very surprising for them to stop that trend now.

Gidorick - no offense bro/sis ... but you need to see a professional for your shopping obsession.

Also to everyone else calling 'limited time offers' predatory... wow, what a bunch of spoiled people you are. You have no idea what predatory practices are. Payday loan sharks, that's predatory practices.Offering starvation wages because your workers have no mobility, that's predatory practices. Offering inferior internet service with *** customer support because you have no competitors, that's predatory practices.

Offering purely optional cosmetic items on a limited time basis is not a predatory practice. I suggest you all get a large cup of perspective tea.