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[1.6.3] Templar (Imperial vs. Altmer). Input needed for Tank
Iduyenn
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Hello everyone
I wanted to compare my Highelf Templaress with my Imperial Templaress.
The focus was on basic stat-values.
I have slotted the Aura and Structured Entropy. I din`t invest any Champion points yet. The Equipment is the same. Buffs etc. all the same.
I realy don`t know, what i should think about that. The difference is not big, but it`s there. Make your own conclusions. I love my Altmer. And i think, she will stay my main.
Now to the "Get some input"- Part
Restoring Aura= No brainer (for me).
Sun Shield ofc.
I realy think, that Structured Entropy (8% more life) is important. But the downside is, that it takes two slots away. (You get more magicka and regeneration from mage guild passives... dont forget that...)
The Rune Focus is very nice, because it`s very cheap. I combined it with Ring of Preservation, but now the buffs dont stack anymore. Altough you get more life regeneration and i think an additional flat-dmg-reduction. I would love to know, what you guys think about the combination. Wich spells are you going to combind? Are you taking Ring of Preservation anyway? Are you going situational with Harness Magicka, Shuffle, etc. ?
The Undaunted- spot; I have to think about it. The range seems to be the same and i like a magicka spot. (And the synergies are now instant... so...). I would like to hear about your opinions on this matter too.
I take the S+B Spot anyway, but two stamina- spots?
Absorb Magick (S+B skill). I d like to have that slottet on my main bar.
I have a lot of fun with Blazing Spear and Caltrops. Love them.
Werewolf: Is dead for me, since the slotted Ultimate brings you nothing.
Ultimates: Emp. Sweep and Nova. Altough i heard, that Meteor is an option too.
Breath of life; I had that in my 2nd bar, but since its merely useless atm i took it out. (Better cast a sun shield).
Low Slash- Is an Option too.
Armor
I love Footsoldier and Twice Born Star atm. Lot of you go with Histbark i know. But i cant stand the randomness...
Atm i have divines on every piece. With reinforced, i will push my armor values higher. I was thinking about Nirnhoned, but i will take an enchantement or two for spellresistance (and blockcost-reduction). (Because i dont need spellpen).
But would you agree, that reinforced is nearly a must? (Perhaps Nirnhoned on the small and reinforced on big items?) What do you think?
I will probabely put all points in health. With health pool are you aiming at?
How much stamina will u need to be safe?
Since i couldnt thest everything in a group i am very interested in your numbers here.
Thank you a lot for any informations.
Greetings
Iduyenn
PS: I aim at 24k Spellrsistance and Armor unbuffed. I dont have any armor- or spellresistance enchantements on my trinkets... that will change...)
Edited by Iduyenn on February 18, 2015 11:53AM
I wanted to compare my Highelf Templaress with my Imperial Templaress.
The focus was on basic stat-values.
I have slotted the Aura and Structured Entropy. I din`t invest any Champion points yet. The Equipment is the same. Buffs etc. all the same.
I realy don`t know, what i should think about that. The difference is not big, but it`s there. Make your own conclusions. I love my Altmer. And i think, she will stay my main.
Now to the "Get some input"- Part
Restoring Aura= No brainer (for me).
Sun Shield ofc.
I realy think, that Structured Entropy (8% more life) is important. But the downside is, that it takes two slots away. (You get more magicka and regeneration from mage guild passives... dont forget that...)
The Rune Focus is very nice, because it`s very cheap. I combined it with Ring of Preservation, but now the buffs dont stack anymore. Altough you get more life regeneration and i think an additional flat-dmg-reduction. I would love to know, what you guys think about the combination. Wich spells are you going to combind? Are you taking Ring of Preservation anyway? Are you going situational with Harness Magicka, Shuffle, etc. ?
The Undaunted- spot; I have to think about it. The range seems to be the same and i like a magicka spot. (And the synergies are now instant... so...). I would like to hear about your opinions on this matter too.
I take the S+B Spot anyway, but two stamina- spots?
Absorb Magick (S+B skill). I d like to have that slottet on my main bar.
I have a lot of fun with Blazing Spear and Caltrops. Love them.
Werewolf: Is dead for me, since the slotted Ultimate brings you nothing.
Ultimates: Emp. Sweep and Nova. Altough i heard, that Meteor is an option too.
Breath of life; I had that in my 2nd bar, but since its merely useless atm i took it out. (Better cast a sun shield).
Low Slash- Is an Option too.
Armor
I love Footsoldier and Twice Born Star atm. Lot of you go with Histbark i know. But i cant stand the randomness...
Atm i have divines on every piece. With reinforced, i will push my armor values higher. I was thinking about Nirnhoned, but i will take an enchantement or two for spellresistance (and blockcost-reduction). (Because i dont need spellpen).
But would you agree, that reinforced is nearly a must? (Perhaps Nirnhoned on the small and reinforced on big items?) What do you think?
I will probabely put all points in health. With health pool are you aiming at?
How much stamina will u need to be safe?
Since i couldnt thest everything in a group i am very interested in your numbers here.
Thank you a lot for any informations.
Greetings
Iduyenn
PS: I aim at 24k Spellrsistance and Armor unbuffed. I dont have any armor- or spellresistance enchantements on my trinkets... that will change...)
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Iduyenn✭✭✭✭You are invited to post your stats too. (Ok, then we have to say, that stats arent everything).
I try to find a group today to do some more testing.
Oh, and there is a champion-star, wich increases all your absorbtions. Does it increase your sunshield? I wasn`t able to test that...0 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't get it. Your Attributes are 0-62-0 on your Altmer and 8-52-0 on your Imperial. Was there a reason for this? I'd assume if you wanted a comparison you'd do the same for both.
Anyhow, what I'm seeing is ~1500pt increase in your magicka and stamina going to an imperial the way you have it. All the other stats look approximately the same. With that said, wouldn't imperial give you a slight advantage?Edited by Cuyler on February 19, 2015 2:36PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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Iduyenn✭✭✭✭I don't get it. Your Attributes are 0-62-0 on your Altmer and 8-52-0 on your Imperial. Was there a reason for this? I'd assume if you wanted a comparison you'd do the same for both.
Anyhow, what I'm seeing is ~1500pt increase in your magicka and stamina going to an imperial the way you have it. All the other stats look approximately the same. With that said, wouldn't imperial give you a slight advantage?
I wanted to let the Attributes be the same, but then i just managed to aim to the same health value, so the difference is visible elswhere (Magicka and Stamina). That is why i have more Magicka on my Imperial. (I also changed the Mundus stones).
After you mentioning it, i have to admit, that it`s not a very good comparision. I will redo it.
But we can safely say: Imperial gives you more % to health and Stamina. At least with Stamina you can see how much exactly that is. (There are more advantages too).
As a High Elf, i have a slightly higher Magickareg. It`s something...
Edit: Here a better comparison
The real question about the traits remains.
Edited by Iduyenn on February 19, 2015 3:13PM0 -
asteldian✭✭✭✭I leave others to cast ring of preservation, often a healer has that lying around. Channelled focus is my pick everytime, I rate the magicka gain highly as a temp tank.
I still like BoL, handy urgent heal for the team and still heals me fairly well. I would like repentance on the bar but not sure I can fit it on. I use crippling slash because 15% damage reduction from mob just makes sense.
I run with stamina taunt on both bars, slotting the undaunted one only in some situations.
Ultimates are sweep and nova.
No room for entropy on my bar. Health is nice, but once I have enough not to die instantly plus a bit spare, I do not worry about it, even if it does boost my blazing shield a bit. I will initially try working with just 30k and adjust as required.
Armor wise, obviously most like histbark, I personally dislike it due to the set bonuses being lacklustre except for 5th.
I actually liked willows due to regen.1 -
Father✭✭✭Do you even need to ask..for tanking imperial is NO.1 for all classes.
Altmer is more suited for dps builds specialy with crushing shock due to the elemental talent passive and a huge chunk of magicka and regen.
If you choose imperial you can always switch to stamina dps when you're bored of tanking.0 -
Iduyenn✭✭✭✭The question was the viability. Can i still tank with my maincharacter (Altmer). My fear was, that this would not be viable anymore. But "it should work".
Clearly Imperial is choice NR. 1 and i had to compare: Do i play, what i like, or what is viable.
Histbark and Shuffle do stack with 1.6. But honestly i am like a swiss army knife. If i dont get lots of dmg, i can support with more raw-numbers. And if i get hit hard, i can soften any impact, because i have more magicka and stamina. It would be very interesting to have a direct comparision to the avoidance-philosophy.
I hope, that my character will not be deleted after todays maintenance. I have aboug 15 Nirncruxes from both options. Perhaps i can find someone who actualy would craft me some gear, because i am very interestet in traits:
Nirnhoned vs. reinforced0 -
Iduyenn✭✭✭✭Unfortunately i couldnt find someone on live and pts to craft me that ***. Now i have to go and probably cant test this anymore.
Anyone knows someone who tested this?0