Will ESO ever see Talos come to power?

Bozrah · February 2015

As the title states, i would like to get opinions from the community. Does anyone think during the life of ESO, that we will get to see the rise of Talos Stormcrown and the unification of Tamriel under his rule. I know this is about 248 years in the future but I've always been curious how far forward ZoS will allow the story to go.

nerevarine1138 · February 2015

I doubt we're going to get to that point, because after Talos rises to power, the historical accounts are a little more clear. Part of the lore benefit for ZO was that setting this game in the Interregnum let them justify almost any story, given the lack of knowledge on this era in Tamrielic history.

Gidorick · February 2015

In this concept for the future of ESO I suggest the following:

The Elder Wood Expedition: A boxed expansion giving players access to Atmora, the frozen continent to the north of Tamriel. This expansion could explore the ancestors of Tiber Septim and could have the player actually influencing the development of Atmora and could set things in motion that would eventually have Tiber Septim make his way to Tamriel. Atmora could be another 2-4 zones and could include the playable race of Atmorans, from which the Nords sprung.

I like the idea of setting the Atmora on a path that LEADS to Talos becoming Tiber Septim. So it would be that we are responsible for the 9th divine.

If you want to read the rest of the ideas: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149340/what-i-hope-tamriel-unlimited-means/p1

As for seeing Talos himself? No. I don't think we will see him. I don't think time is 'passing' in ESO.

SG_Celerrimus · February 2015

What @nerevarine1138 said and I think that ESO takes places a few hundreds years before Talos, or Tiber Septim as he was more accurately known as (OBEY THE ALDMERI DOMINION!) took the Ruby throne, so our characters would be quite old by the time that happened.

Bozrah · February 2015

With Arena being set in the 3rd Era, it seems there is a decent amount of time between the rise of Talos and the events of Arena the game. So ESO could spill over into the time after Talos's rise to power without running into the events of Arena ...?

Panda244 · February 2015

Bozrah wrote: »

With Arena being set in the 3rd Era, it seems there is a decent amount of time between the rise of Talos and the events of Arena the game. So ESO could spill over into the time after Talos's rise to power without running into the events of Arena ...?

2E 828 = Alleged birth date of Septim.
2E 582 = Elder Scrolls Online takes place.

It'll never happen, as only Altmer, Dunmer, and Bosmer can live that long lore wise... xD

And this...

"The Second Era - Also known as the "Common Era", includes the rule of the Akaviri Potentates, as well as the 400-year time period known as the Interregnum. The Elder Scrolls Online and Redguard take place in this era."
"The Third Era is the Empire of Tamriel, ruled by the Septim Dynasty, and lasts 433 years. Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion all take place during this era."

mlstevens42_ESO · February 2015

Arena is set several centuries after Tiber Septim/Talos has died.
I do not think it wise for us to have anything to do with the Talos story.
As it stands there are a couple of hundred years between the now of eso and Talos anyway.

Bozrah · February 2015

The Heart of Lorkhan can solve the "age" issue

Gidorick · February 2015

If Tiber Septim is EVER in ESO, it'll be the World Closing event.

Dracane · February 2015

The time of Tiber Septim was like 300 years after the events of ESO. The alliance war will not last so long.

And believe me: you don't want to see a tyranic, power hungry man using a big Dwemer giant to conquer the most beautiful place on Tamriel

they better not show this, because I would be crying many nights. Just like at the end of Halo 1 and 4

Panda244 · February 2015

Bozrah wrote: »

With Arena being set in the 3rd Era, it seems there is a decent amount of time between the rise of Talos and the events of Arena the game. So ESO could spill over into the time after Talos's rise to power without running into the events of Arena ...?

Dracane wrote: »

The time of Tiber Septim was like 300 years after the events of ESO. The alliance war will not last so long.

And believe me: you don't want to see a tyranic, power hungry man using a big Dwemer giant to conquer the most beautiful place on Tamriel they better not show this, because I would be crying many nights. Just like at the end of Halo 1 and 4

YOU ***, WHY WOULD YOU REMIND ME ABOUT THE END OF THE HALO GAMES!!!

Johnson, Keyes...

Seriously though, we'll never see Tiber Septim in ESO, It'll bend over lore so hard, and I won't refer to him as Talos, because Altmer = Bestmer. Well.. Ayleids = Bestmer, but they're extinct because of the genocidal crazy people we know as Imperials.

BBSooner · February 2015

Would be cool. Guy had to crack a few eggs to make an omelette (where the omelette is the most prosperous empire in Tamriel's history), but like others have said, this event is 300+ years away. Unless we get in to some sort of wibbly wobbly ... timey wimey ... stuff ... I don't think we'll see it. Even though I'd love to see the Numidium in action.

Dracane · February 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Bozrah wrote: »

With Arena being set in the 3rd Era, it seems there is a decent amount of time between the rise of Talos and the events of Arena the game. So ESO could spill over into the time after Talos's rise to power without running into the events of Arena ...?

Dracane wrote: »

The time of Tiber Septim was like 300 years after the events of ESO. The alliance war will not last so long.

And believe me: you don't want to see a tyranic, power hungry man using a big Dwemer giant to conquer the most beautiful place on Tamriel they better not show this, because I would be crying many nights. Just like at the end of Halo 1 and 4

YOU ***, WHY WOULD YOU REMIND ME ABOUT THE END OF THE HALO GAMES!!!

Johnson, Keyes...

Oh yes

'Foe Hammer' at the end of Halo 1 was poor pain in everyone's heart

Miranda and Johnson in Halo 3 and then in Halo 4 the tragedy: Cortana

I'm getting emotional again...

But this is not the right place for this ^^ this is Elder Scrolls. I'm so glad, there are no real tragic destinations in the Elder Scrolls universe so far

Panda244 · February 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Bozrah wrote: »

With Arena being set in the 3rd Era, it seems there is a decent amount of time between the rise of Talos and the events of Arena the game. So ESO could spill over into the time after Talos's rise to power without running into the events of Arena ...?

Dracane wrote: »

The time of Tiber Septim was like 300 years after the events of ESO. The alliance war will not last so long.

And believe me: you don't want to see a tyranic, power hungry man using a big Dwemer giant to conquer the most beautiful place on Tamriel they better not show this, because I would be crying many nights. Just like at the end of Halo 1 and 4

YOU ***, WHY WOULD YOU REMIND ME ABOUT THE END OF THE HALO GAMES!!!

Johnson, Keyes...

Oh yes 'Foe Hammer' at the end of Halo 1 was poor pain in everyone's heart Miranda and Johnson in Halo 3 and then in Halo 4 the tragedy: Cortana I'm getting emotional again...

But this is not the right place for this ^^ this is Elder Scrolls. I'm so glad, there are no real tragic destinations in the Elder Scrolls universe so far

No but there's the Khajiit and the Knhanatan Flu, or the Argonians and the slavery, or the Ayleids and the slavery, or the Ayleids being systematically murdered by vengeful fanatics....

BBSooner · February 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Bozrah wrote: »

With Arena being set in the 3rd Era, it seems there is a decent amount of time between the rise of Talos and the events of Arena the game. So ESO could spill over into the time after Talos's rise to power without running into the events of Arena ...?

Dracane wrote: »

The time of Tiber Septim was like 300 years after the events of ESO. The alliance war will not last so long.

And believe me: you don't want to see a tyranic, power hungry man using a big Dwemer giant to conquer the most beautiful place on Tamriel they better not show this, because I would be crying many nights. Just like at the end of Halo 1 and 4

YOU ***, WHY WOULD YOU REMIND ME ABOUT THE END OF THE HALO GAMES!!!

Johnson, Keyes...

Oh yes 'Foe Hammer' at the end of Halo 1 was poor pain in everyone's heart Miranda and Johnson in Halo 3 and then in Halo 4 the tragedy: Cortana I'm getting emotional again...

But this is not the right place for this ^^ this is Elder Scrolls. I'm so glad, there are no real tragic destinations in the Elder Scrolls universe so far

No but there's the Khajiit and the Knhanatan Flu, or the Argonians and the slavery, or the Ayleids and the slavery, or the Ayleids being systematically murdered by vengeful fanatics....

To be fair, the Ayleids kind of deserved what they got, what with the whole "brutal torture of slaves in the name of art, entertainment, and the daedra they happened to be worshipping".

Dracane · February 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

No but there's the Khajiit and the Knhanatan Flu, or the Argonians and the slavery, or the Ayleids and the slavery, or the Ayleids being systematically murdered by vengeful fanatics....

You are right, there are sad things. But the difference is, we never experience them. We hear it or read it. But in other video games, we whitness them and this makes it 100 times more emotional.

For me, the saddest event I am aware of, is the destruction of the crystal tower on Summerset-Isle, during the Oblivion crisis

deathmasterl_ESO · February 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Bozrah wrote: »

With Arena being set in the 3rd Era, it seems there is a decent amount of time between the rise of Talos and the events of Arena the game. So ESO could spill over into the time after Talos's rise to power without running into the events of Arena ...?

Dracane wrote: »

The time of Tiber Septim was like 300 years after the events of ESO. The alliance war will not last so long.

And believe me: you don't want to see a tyranic, power hungry man using a big Dwemer giant to conquer the most beautiful place on Tamriel they better not show this, because I would be crying many nights. Just like at the end of Halo 1 and 4

YOU ***, WHY WOULD YOU REMIND ME ABOUT THE END OF THE HALO GAMES!!!

Johnson, Keyes...

Oh yes 'Foe Hammer' at the end of Halo 1 was poor pain in everyone's heart Miranda and Johnson in Halo 3 and then in Halo 4 the tragedy: Cortana I'm getting emotional again...

But this is not the right place for this ^^ this is Elder Scrolls. I'm so glad, there are no real tragic destinations in the Elder Scrolls universe so far

If you've read the Halo Books there's A LOT more why crush my soul and break my feels moment's in them.

On topic I highly highly doubt we'll ever meet Tiber in ESO... unless we have some odd time travel thing were we can help him out in the future and then return to the past, or some odd thing such as that.

Dracane · February 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

To be fair, the Ayleids kind of deserved what they got, what with the whole "brutal torture of slaves in the name of art, entertainment, and the daedra they happened to be worshipping".

Interesting

So you would agree, that the Dark Elves deserved, what happened at the beginning of the 4th Era ? The eruption of Red mountain and the slaughter of Morrowind ?

I myself think, they've deserved it. I have no tolerance for the culture and the behavior of them. I have heared so many cruel stories in ESO, how they have caught baby Argonians and tamed them to be slaves. Dark Elves are bad people in my eyes and I think, their culture needed a big bash (Red mountain.)

Gidorick · February 2015

I kind of wish there were some black-market-slave-trade lines in ESO where we could go free some slaves and kick some butt!

Anvos · February 2015

I could maybe see them making this an alternate time where something happens that sunders the threads of prophesy that lead to the future ES games, but Talos appearing seems unlikely.

Also he'd have no power base in current times since his rise requires both the Pact and Covenant dissolving leaving the humans to be forced to band together or fall to the Dominion.

wafcatb14_ESO · February 2015

That depends if they make enough off the cash store to pay everyone salary, and have enough left over to design content , that isn`t another item to sell in the cash store .

Gidorick · February 2015

@Anvos, MANY of us assume there will be a DragonBreak at the end of ESO

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Break

BBSooner · February 2015

Dracane wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

To be fair, the Ayleids kind of deserved what they got, what with the whole "brutal torture of slaves in the name of art, entertainment, and the daedra they happened to be worshipping".

Interesting So you would agree, that the Dark Elves deserved, what happened at the beginning of the 4th Era ? The eruption of Red mountain and the slaughter of Morrowind ?

I myself think, they've deserved it. I have no tolerance for the culture and the behavior of them. I have heared so many cruel stories in ESO, how they have caught baby Argonians and tamed them to be slaves. Dark Elves are bad people in my eyes and I think, their culture needed a big bash (Red mountain.)

I'd say they had it coming, though I'd say all the races have done things that shed poor light on them, all mer above all probably. That's not to say I don't prefer Dunmer culture over Argonian culture, in fact throughout questing in ESO if an Argonian or Khajiit could get sacrificed at some point in the quest .. well ... the decision was practically already made.

Anvos · February 2015

Honestly a dragon break isn't required, since it logically fits that how we got from here to the ES games was that war rages on in a stalemate for a century or two, as the nord and argonian leaders die their predecessors become paranoid the immortal elven gods of the Tribunal are taking over leading to their split, then after the Pact dissolves tensions heat up between the orcs, Bretons, and Redguards again as the Bretons and Redguards think they no longer need to appease the orcs and then blame each other when the Dominion starts pulling ahead.

Panda244 · February 2015

deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Bozrah wrote: »

With Arena being set in the 3rd Era, it seems there is a decent amount of time between the rise of Talos and the events of Arena the game. So ESO could spill over into the time after Talos's rise to power without running into the events of Arena ...?

Dracane wrote: »

The time of Tiber Septim was like 300 years after the events of ESO. The alliance war will not last so long.

And believe me: you don't want to see a tyranic, power hungry man using a big Dwemer giant to conquer the most beautiful place on Tamriel they better not show this, because I would be crying many nights. Just like at the end of Halo 1 and 4

YOU ***, WHY WOULD YOU REMIND ME ABOUT THE END OF THE HALO GAMES!!!

Johnson, Keyes...

Oh yes 'Foe Hammer' at the end of Halo 1 was poor pain in everyone's heart Miranda and Johnson in Halo 3 and then in Halo 4 the tragedy: Cortana I'm getting emotional again...

But this is not the right place for this ^^ this is Elder Scrolls. I'm so glad, there are no real tragic destinations in the Elder Scrolls universe so far

If you've read the Halo Books there's A LOT more why crush my soul and break my feels moment's in them.

On topic I highly highly doubt we'll ever meet Tiber in ESO... unless we have some odd time travel thing were we can help him out in the future and then return to the past, or some odd thing such as that.

I've read a bunch of the Halo books, not all of them, favorite has to be Grasslands or Cole Protocol, but what happened to Kurt was another moment

Dracane wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

To be fair, the Ayleids kind of deserved what they got, what with the whole "brutal torture of slaves in the name of art, entertainment, and the daedra they happened to be worshipping".

Interesting So you would agree, that the Dark Elves deserved, what happened at the beginning of the 4th Era ? The eruption of Red mountain and the slaughter of Morrowind ?

I myself think, they've deserved it. I have no tolerance for the culture and the behavior of them. I have heared so many cruel stories in ESO, how they have caught baby Argonians and tamed them to be slaves. Dark Elves are bad people in my eyes and I think, their culture needed a big bash (Red mountain.)

I come from the rare standpoint that Altmer + Khajiit = Master Races, so the Dunmer can all die and go to Oblivion for all I care, they're horrible xenophobic people, and honestly, most of them are more supremacist than Altmer, at least more outright about it. If I could choose who/what to lead the next Empire of Tamriel it'd be an Khajiit Emperor/Empress with Altmer advisers, generals, etc, with Khajiit mixed in. Basically a co-council of Altmer and Khajiit, the reason why I wouldn't want an Altmer as Emperor/Empress would be because long lives... That time with that much power = corruption.

Anvos · February 2015

Honestly I think so many people overreact about the dunmer slavery thing as in a world where race is more than a skin tone and all species aren't at the same degree of development culturally and physically it isn't that hard to see justification. Also the more I see of them the more I am convinced that the Bosmer, Argonians, Orcs, and Khajite do need to learn to be properly civilized.

Plus none of that really justifies the empire trying to destroy every other culture and religion on Nirn and the hero being a willing pawn of a deadra to destroy a valid religion that actually helped people and was based on the power of one of the Core Old Gods (Plus lore says Veltoh left the Akatosh/Auriel pantheon since there is some important secret the aedra are hiding).

Panda244 · February 2015

Anvos wrote: »

Honestly I think so many people overreact about the dunmer slavery thing as in a world where race is more than a skin tone and all species aren't at the same degree of development culturally it isn't that hard to see justification. Also the more I see of them the more I am convinced that the Bosmer, Argonians, Orcs, and Khajite do need to learn to be properly civilized.

Plus none of that really justifies the empire trying to destroy every other culture and religion on Nirn and the hero being a willing pawn of a deadra to destroy a valid religion that actually helped people and was based on the power of one of the Core Old Gods (Plus lore says Veltoh left the Akatosh/Auriel pantheon since there is some important secret the aedra are hiding).

The Bretons are the most civil race in TES in my opinion, the Bosmer need some serious help, the Argonians don't want to change, and the Khajiit are just fine as it is. The Bretons, Redguards, Nords, Altmer, and despite being slavers, the Dunmer, have the most advanced civilizations but they certainly aren't the most civil people. Altmer and Dunmer being xenophobic and racist, Nords being relatively um.. Drunk and hateful of everything Mer, Redguards and Bretons though... They've got to be the two most civil races in TES, they just want to protect themselves and if they could live in peace with everyone else. Orcs are just generally barbaric, not every single one, but overall. If a single race was to bring culture and development to the others, it'd be the Bretons, at least peacefully, forcefully would probably be the Altmer, but no one wants that forced on them.

Now I say all these nice things about Bretons... But I'm still an Altmer/Ayleid fan to the death, and I'd love to see more quests or flashbacks involving the Ayleid rule of Tamriel, or just a game based on it, we need more golden maidens!

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BBSooner · February 2015

Anvos wrote: »

Honestly I think so many people overreact about the dunmer slavery thing as in a world where race is more than a skin tone and all species aren't at the same degree of development culturally and physically it isn't that hard to see justification. Also the more I see of them the more I am convinced that the Bosmer, Argonians, Orcs, and Khajite do need to learn to be properly civilized.

Plus none of that really justifies the empire trying to destroy every other culture and religion on Nirn and the hero being a willing pawn of a deadra to destroy a valid religion that actually helped people and was based on the power of one of the Core Old Gods (Plus lore says Veltoh left the Akatosh/Auriel pantheon since there is some important secret the aedra are hiding).

I wouldn't say the empire tries to destroy culture and religion. They (Tiber as an example) wants fealty to be paid and surrender of arms to him not cultural absorption, and he isn't afraid to take that submission with the point of a blade. I don't think any other leader we've seen so far wouldn't do the same if it was within their grasp (and cared about uniting Tamriel in the first place).

Anvos · February 2015

The entire reason you were in Morrowind was that the emperor of a human nation that had been imprisioned in Oblivion bought into a deadric prophesy and used you and the Blades to undermine the power of the Tribunal and Great Houses. Honestly had we done nothing the world would have been better off since Sotha's dwerorgs (dwemer bio hybrids) would have eventually moped the floor with Dagoth's Corpus creatures, they retake the tools and then the Tribunal repowers to kick Dagoth Ur back to obscurity.

seanvwolf · February 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

If a single race was to bring culture and development to the others, it'd be the Bretons, at least peacefully, forcefully would probably be the Altmer, but no one wants that forced on them.

It was proudly a Breton blade that slew King Cuhlecain, burned the Imperial palace and started Talos' road to a successful Third Empire, marked predominately by Breton voices and Breton rumps in Imperial seats.

AngryNord · February 2015

seanvwolf wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

If a single race was to bring culture and development to the others, it'd be the Bretons, at least peacefully, forcefully would probably be the Altmer, but no one wants that forced on them.

It was proudly a Breton blade that slew King Cuhlecain, burned the Imperial palace and started Talos' road to a successful Third Empire, marked predominately by Breton voices and Breton rumps in Imperial seats.

And - even in the Third era - Breton-style armour for the Imperial Watch