So...what about NB magicka builds ?

niocwy · February 2015

We all see these threads concerning magicka sorcerers being 'ruined' (mostly QQing but some valid concerns), but what about NB magicka ? I can't really test myself for now, but it seems that we are a bit nerfed also. Or maybe it's the same for all magicka builds ?

I'm not complaining or asking for a change, I just want some of your feedback concerning NB magicka in both PvE and PvP. The 'official' thread concerning NB have some info but I don't want to hear about stamina

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Soulac · February 2015

Not 'dead' but boring, it just feel weak.
Even with a full glass cannon build including Ambush Stamina morph buff, Entropy, Grim Focus etc. it doesn't feel powerful.
We tested with 3k CP and my opponent just holded block and used heals, nothing else and you couldn't do anything against that.

Well what do you expect if your strongest melee ability hits with 4k and your enemy got >10k shields and block.

I can only speak for melee Magicka and that seems pretty much crap now.
Range is quite viable, but even more boring in my opinion and won't end a fight either.

Syntse · February 2015

Loads of discussion about nightblades in this thread

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/148317/nightblades-1-6-discussion

ToRelax · February 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Not 'dead' but boring, it just feel weak.
Even with a full glass cannon build including Ambush Stamina morph buff, Entropy, Grim Focus etc. it doesn't feel powerful.
We tested with 3k CP and my opponent just holded block and used heals, nothing else and you couldn't do anything against that.

Well what do you expect if your strongest melee ability hits with 4k and your enemy got >10k shields and block.

I can only speak for melee Magicka and that seems pretty much crap now.
Range is quite viable, but even more boring in my opinion and won't end a fight either.

Well, I can't break through the defense of anyone with my Sorc burst build either while fighting with that many CP.
But I do agree that Magicka NB seems to weak, mostly because of Harness, and maybe I underestimate the impact of the loss of Ambush and Surprise Attack morphs, too (though you can use Entropy like everyone else I guess).

However, Destro NB seems okay (although I can understand many don't like it), since you can use cloak also for abilities with cast time like Spirit Syphon or Magicka Detonation (well, and defensively as always, if it works).

DezIsDead · February 2015

NB magicka build is still viable. Me (sorc) a NB, and a Templar 3 manned dsa, although the NB did bug out. He was running destro resto, using sap and I'm not sure what other skills. I'll agree they gimped magicka NB and pretty much changed the whole meta on you though. I fondly recall one of the devs saying 1.6 wouldn't ruin any builds just offer diversity. Looking back I'm lmao, no more stacking in super quick veils to beat mobs. The biggest issue for magicka NB is going to be the morphs changing to stam. They need to look back into the NB morphs and maybe give you guys a solid shield since they made sap less effective and changed the ulti building and increased cost of veils. Idk if a burst NB magicka build is even viable now though

Darkintellect · February 2015

Currently as a Nightblade pure healer I received a noticeable buff which puts my in line with Templar healing, although more constant and safer. As for magicka DPS builds, there were some hits to choices they can make. So much stuff being changed, it's getting difficult to keep track of values and where things were and where they should be.

Soulac · February 2015

DezIsDead wrote: »

NB magicka build is still viable. Me (sorc) a NB, and a Templar 3 manned dsa, although the NB did bug out. He was running destro resto, using sap and I'm not sure what other skills. I'll agree they gimped magicka NB and pretty much changed the whole meta on you though. I fondly recall one of the devs saying 1.6 wouldn't ruin any builds just offer diversity. Looking back I'm lmao, no more stacking in super quick veils to beat mobs. The biggest issue for magicka NB is going to be the morphs changing to stam. They need to look back into the NB morphs and maybe give you guys a solid shield since they made sap less effective and changed the ulti building and increased cost of veils. Idk if a burst NB magicka build is even viable now though

Viable in PvE, yes.. But not really in PvP, except you want endless and boring fights, no matter what you do.

DezIsDead · February 2015

Soulac wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

NB magicka build is still viable. Me (sorc) a NB, and a Templar 3 manned dsa, although the NB did bug out. He was running destro resto, using sap and I'm not sure what other skills. I'll agree they gimped magicka NB and pretty much changed the whole meta on you though. I fondly recall one of the devs saying 1.6 wouldn't ruin any builds just offer diversity. Looking back I'm lmao, no more stacking in super quick veils to beat mobs. The biggest issue for magicka NB is going to be the morphs changing to stam. They need to look back into the NB morphs and maybe give you guys a solid shield since they made sap less effective and changed the ulti building and increased cost of veils. Idk if a burst NB magicka build is even viable now though

Viable in PvE, yes.. But not really in PvP, except you want endless and boring fights, no matter what you do.

I can't really say in PvP your right. Idk anyone who has tried a pure magicka build NB on the pts. It upsets me tbh, because I have a v8 Breton NB I was leveling for PvP. Now idk what I'm going to do.mprobably leave it as a crafter =\

Tankqull · February 2015

NB magicka melee is broken you lost all hard hitters without any compensation - so the only option is a range build but that works as proper as magica sorcs ...

so say thanks to the stamina nb qqer...

Zorgon_The_Revenged · February 2015

my stamina NB has become unbelievably powerful with the new stamina morphs and to be honest was fine before. whereas my magicka NB has felt a massive blow with the ambush change, even leaving it un morphed made no difference (lotus fan has never cut it, how long does the DoT last by the way?). taking the stamina morph brought me close again but now I need to put points into stamina management and physical damage to try and make up the gap.

Ambush aside, my magicka NB is fine but with some builds I won't be able to drop an ultimate one after another....but I'm sure that will be felt by all classes, I'll adjust and move on.

olsborg · February 2015

DezIsDead wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

NB magicka build is still viable. Me (sorc) a NB, and a Templar 3 manned dsa, although the NB did bug out. He was running destro resto, using sap and I'm not sure what other skills. I'll agree they gimped magicka NB and pretty much changed the whole meta on you though. I fondly recall one of the devs saying 1.6 wouldn't ruin any builds just offer diversity. Looking back I'm lmao, no more stacking in super quick veils to beat mobs. The biggest issue for magicka NB is going to be the morphs changing to stam. They need to look back into the NB morphs and maybe give you guys a solid shield since they made sap less effective and changed the ulti building and increased cost of veils. Idk if a burst NB magicka build is even viable now though

Viable in PvE, yes.. But not really in PvP, except you want endless and boring fights, no matter what you do.

I can't really say in PvP your right. Idk anyone who has tried a pure magicka build NB on the pts. It upsets me tbh, because I have a v8 Breton NB I was leveling for PvP. Now idk what I'm going to do.mprobably leave it as a crafter =\

same boat mate, have a v6 breton magicka nb, hes not being logged in anymore, im instead leveling a imperial 2h nb.

Samadhi · February 2015

Personally going to stick to just my Healer build for Magicka Nightblade. All my other Magicka builds are no longer viable.
Going to keep my Magicka sets on my Sorcerer; actually looking forward to doing new Magicka builds there.

Would have hope for my Magicka Nightblade if Spellcrafting were on the horizon. Out of luck.

C'est la vie.

Tamanous · February 2015

Some morph changes to stamina hurt specific builds but if willing to work around those we in fact gain more than we lose with other changes. My only complaint was the nerfing of Argonian passives due to potion revamp. It was ill-conceived and forced me to re-roll to another race because my build was the one the morphs and potion changes obliterated.

I am playing an alteration to the build and finding the changes out way the drawbacks thus far. I am not worrying about until final release results are in.

tomiffseb17_ESO · February 2015

PVE wise i am fine with the changes. I was still able to solo anomalies, and some group encouters after i spent only 300 CP.
Im not a top DPS on live. More like those sap essence never ending ulti spamming jack of all trades but that helped me to solo pretty much. I can do the same on PTS but cant use that much Ulti.

I'm pretty sure ill adopt.

Fatalyis · February 2015

Having quite a bit of fun on PTS with my Magicka NB (ranged caster) and, to be honest, I feel more comfortable playing him now than I ever did on Live. It took a bit of getting used to, but I've had to adapt to a lot with this game....so that's what I'll do.

Snit · February 2015

tomiffseb17_ESO wrote: »

PVE wise i am fine with the changes. I was still able to solo anomalies, and some group encouters after i spent only 300 CP.

Just to put this in perspective, 300 CP represents 92 million experience points (assuming you start with 70). That may take a while

helediron · February 2015

I make 6k single target DPS now with my 1.5 trials build. Resource management is good, survivability is good, DPS is bad. The ulti change is ok, but regular skills should have been buffed. I wrote a suggestion to enhance Funnel Health in that Nightblades 1.6 thread. Grim Focus is a disappointment and a DPS loss. The build needs:
- Funnel Health needs significant increase in damage and cost.
- DoTs need damage boost.
- Grim Focus simplified to not needing two casts and not resetting if recast too early.
- Agony to immediate cast.

Zershar_Vemod · February 2015

Magicka NB took an arrow to the knee pretty much....they shouldn't have screwed around with magicka to stamina abilities.

ItsMeToo · February 2015

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Magicka NB took an arrow to the knee pretty much....they shouldn't have screwed around with magicka to stamina abilities.

I Agree

ZOS should give every class the option with every skill, to pick where the skill uses power from. Be it magica or stamina. Let the player choose. Let the skill be the same either way, but the cost of using that skill uses the same amount of magica or stamina.

TheBull · February 2015

I just built a non lotus/conceal magicka nb on pts. Idk if it's because of the 3600cp, but she couldn't kill anything. She had some survivabilty (more so with heavy) but it was a real challenge.

I tried a dot build (shields just lol'd) and both agony and cripple could be blocked... Gg dots. I tried a power soul siphon build too. Still nothing. Tried everything really... All fights were draws.

Like I said idk if it's the 3600 or what. I want claim I remember magicka Nbs better with 70cp, but I'm not sure.

Xeniph · February 2015

Well the melee magicka abilities received a pretty hefty nerf. They no longer go against armor, but resists. As well as losing a +20% damage buff to the next ability via Ambush.

Though I was able to get my Teleport Strike to hit for the same as Ambush with like SP/WD. Refraing from morphing Teleport Strike seems the way to go for burst.

Paired with Mark Target, it's nowhere near as bad as some are saying. That said, I do believe NB is better overall speced Stamina.

PlagueMonk · February 2015

DezIsDead wrote: »

NB magicka build is still viable. Me (sorc) a NB, and a Templar 3 manned dsa, although the NB did bug out. He was running destro resto, using sap and I'm not sure what other skills. I'll agree they gimped magicka NB and pretty much changed the whole meta on you though. I fondly recall one of the devs saying 1.6 wouldn't ruin any builds just offer diversity. Looking back I'm lmao, no more stacking in super quick veils to beat mobs. The biggest issue for magicka NB is going to be the morphs changing to stam. They need to look back into the NB morphs and maybe give you guys a solid shield since they made sap less effective and changed the ulti building and increased cost of veils. Idk if a burst NB magicka build is even viable now though

OMH, PLEASE stop saying NBs are fine while referring to them using a staff! ><

If you are using a Destro/Resto staff you are NOT using NB abilities. The fact is, most actual NB abilities are not impressive outside of the few like VoB and Sap Essence (which coincidentally have both been hit with the nerf bat)

Cody · February 2015

Its time to abandon y'alls sap spamming and come join me in full on stamina builds come 1.6!!!

there will be ganking, sniping, wrecking blowing, killing people trying to be LA tanks for the 1st month(that i will enjoy the most)

arrowing peoples knees, drinking mead, trolling on the forums...

it will be great fun!