ZOS Can we get Nameplates?

Jayshua · February 2015

We really need Nameplates. Guilds are NAMELESS in AvA and in the PvE World Questing around and someone helps you or events are happening and you have no idea what guilds they are from or who to thank! Guilds need to be able to show who they are and represent themselves!

Please fix this or add the ability for AddOn Devs to add these in an AddOn thru the API / GUI!

Thanks!

@Jayshua

WraithAzraiel · February 2015

Yes. Guild tabards aren't enough.

WraithAzraiel · February 2015

Here's a little back and forth from a thread about this I raised a while ago.

Tandor wrote: »

Does it serve any purpose in a game where those in guilds tend to be in multiple guilds?

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Sure. Aids in advertisement. Promotes guild solidarity. Ease of operation for events, like live guild auctions.

It'll work just like GW2, you can only have 1 guild tag active at a time. But switch back and forth at will.

Going into PvP turns it off. Along with nameplates in general if they're implemented.

Darlgon wrote: »

No. Tabards fill the bill nice enough.

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

*sees 2 people wearing identical tabards*
You: "Oh hey, are you guys in the same guild? That's cool, rocking your colors with pride and whatnot"
Them: "No, we're in different guilds, we just have the same logo."
You: "Oh....well that's awkward."

lordrichter wrote: »

Tabards need to be like names, unique. I recently saw someone not in my guild wearing the tabard from my guild.

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Aaaaand there's the problem with tabards. Cute idea. Ultimately useless.

SoulScream · February 2015

Guild names should be selectable like a title.

Jayshua · February 2015

Very good info all!

I am not going to let this go till we get Official ZOS response!

cozmon3c_ESO · February 2015

i've been pushing this with them since launch, at the guild summit, and still nothing has come of it. my guild has no identity, we do stuff in cyrodiil. we kick major ass, but no one knows who we are because were not a huge zerg guild. my guild nearly fell apart in the beginning of the game, we cannot stand out. its like, there's whats his names group over there, but no one knows what guild they are in.

ive suggested just make it part of the title if you desire
example

Tyro of Guild Umbra
Master wizard of Entropy Rising
General of Decibal

you know stuff like that, its simple and works for every damn title you can get. so why not??

Jayshua · February 2015

@ZOS_ChipHilseberg‌

Any news on this?

seancaputo_ESO · February 2015

yeah, increase more lag...

Create an add on.

Jayshua · February 2015

seancaputo_ESO wrote: »

yeah, increase more lag...

Create an add on.

We can't! That's part of the point. ZOS hasn't opened that part of the API.

baratron · February 2015

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

ive suggested just make it part of the title if you desire
example

Tyro of Guild Umbra
Master wizard of Entropy Rising
General of Decibal

As a Guildmaster, I really like this idea.

For one thing, there's no universal key to Guild Tabards. You can't look them up anywhere to find out which Guild it was who just streamed past you en masse. They're really only useful for recognising members of your own Guild or for recognising that a group of players "belong together".

For another thing, Guild Tabards are useless in Cyrodiil if you're a social Guild rather than a PvP Guild, since members may be playing characters of any Alliance. My Guild was set up as a DC Guild, but most of us main EP characters. However, if EP members of a "DC Guild" try to wear their Tabards in Cyrodiil, they end up white. So for events we have to ask everyone to dye their armour instead.

Attack of the Purple People!

The idea of just adding an extra line to the nameplate information, so it said, e.g:

Martin Draconis
of UESP Guild
Master Wizard

is so simple. But it would make it easier to ask for invites to Guilds, especially if you kept noticing the same Guild name over and over again.

Of course, people would still have to decide which of their five Guilds they wanted to represent, but that's exactly the same as the Tabards now.

C0pp3rhead · February 2015

@baratron‌
Most people's UI is pretty cluttered already b/c addons. In order to make your suggestion work, ZOS would have to provide an option to disable 'display guild name' or something similar. If it were on the same line as the name, something like this might work:

Martin Draconis of UESP Guild
Master Wizard

OR

Martin Draconis, <rank> of UESP Guild
Master Wizard

To be frank though, most people don't care, and it doesn't matter in many cases. Many serious PvP guilds recognize eachother on sight by spotting one or two members of a group. Moreover, PvP guild leaders are in regular contact with eachother, coordinating actions. As for PvE, most guilds group together for their raid activities, and try not to resort to pugs. Even a guild group needs someone to invite a friend, that friend is aware of which guild he/she is running with b/c of the teamspeak server or knowledge of a friend's guild(s).

On the whole, I am neither opposed to nor supportive of this idea.

baratron · February 2015

C0pp3rhead wrote: »

Many serious PvP guilds recognize eachother on sight by spotting one or two members of a group. Moreover, PvP guild leaders are in regular contact with eachother, coordinating actions. As for PvE, most guilds group together for their raid activities, and try not to resort to pugs.

Everything you've said so far emphasises the huge difference between how PvP and PvE players use their Guilds. For you, it's about running raids and dungeons.

For us, as a social Guild, it's about making friends. Having people to chat to as you play, having long-time players to answer newbies' questions, and having high level crafters available to make equipment for everyone. Of course, we run group dungeons as well, but our events tend to be much more social in nature, such as a Skyshard Run or a Fishing Tournament.

When you're a Level 3 newbie, you don't know who anyone is. Forget recognising that this group of people are Such And Such Guild because you know a couple of the names. You don't know any names, or recognise any Guilds' colours, or know that some person who just wandered past you is a Guildmaster. Many of our members and all of our Guild Officers have invited "random" players from low level zones to join the Guild because they were obviously new, lost, clueless, and in need of friends who could give them decent advice. But how many other people have we missed?

A couple of months ago, I wanted to join a trading Guild who always seemed to have good items in their store. I hung out in the zone where that Guild's trader was, I asked on /zone if anyone was a member and could invite me, asked everyone I traded with if they were a member... It still took about 5 days before I was able to find someone who could give me an invite.

This is why I think it would be useful for players to be able to display their Guild affiliation.

Your point about the UI is valid, but is a different argument entirely. That's about how practical it is, rather than whether or not it would be useful. Honestly, if it was a case of needing to condense the information to two lines of text, I'd rather display "Guildmaster of UESP Guild" than any of the titles I've earned so far. (I might feel differently if I ever get "Boethiah's Scourge" or "Emperor"

).

C0pp3rhead · February 2015

baratron wrote: »

When you're a Level 3 newbie, you don't know who anyone is. Forget recognising that this group of people are Such And Such Guild because you know a couple of the names. You don't know any names, or recognise any Guilds' colours, or know that some person who just wandered past you is a Guildmaster. Many of our members and all of our Guild Officers have invited "random" players from low level zones to join the Guild because they were obviously new, lost, clueless, and in need of friends who could give them decent advice. But how many other people have we missed?

A couple of months ago, I wanted to join a trading Guild who always seemed to have good items in their store. I hung out in the zone where that Guild's trader was, I asked on /zone if anyone was a member and could invite me, asked everyone I traded with if they were a member... It still took about 5 days before I was able to find someone who could give me an invite.

You make a valid point about new players. They should have ample opportunity to get tutorship. When I log onto my mules in low-level zones, I frequently see, "LF guild," or "Wanting to join a guild for newbies," and similar messages. I am happy that there are guilds willing to, and in some cases designed to, help new players establish themselves in ESO.

However, comparing a high-quality trading guild with a social guild is a false equivalency. It took me months of playing around with pugs to find a quality end-game guild. My trading guilds are a constant process of improvement; if I feel that one trading guild will be more profitable than another, I quit guildA and join guildB. The guild that I run with in PvP is chill yet serious (Or should I say less than sober, yet mildly rabid?), and it took me a few days of spamming, "LFG" in Cyrodiil's /zone chat and the advice of some guildies to connect with them.

In summary response to your argument: to a new player, adding a guild nameplate is as meaningless as picking out a name or identifying a tabard in a Cyrodiil zergball. Let the new players join welcoming and friendly social guilds that advertise in low-level zones where they can get advice on how to join trading guilds and raid guilds.

As a final thought: I support the addition of guild nameplates if and only if ZOS allows us a UI option to allow or disable the display of such nameplates.

JLB · February 2015

I would really like to see optional nameplates in ESO, I just like to see who is around me.
Standing close to someone to use the pointer and see their name/rank/level/whatever feels very, very awkward.

Arki · February 2015

I'd rather have guild standards or something, that you could raise for a few secs, like an emote. And more tabard diversity. Everyone seems to be running with white on black. Is that really the only option?

I hate the clutter from nameplates. I guess they could allways make an API for it, but in a coordinated group this is a non issue. In a pug? Just follow the crown

JLB · February 2015

I dont think this is asked for playing better, but for a better general experience for those who fancy it.
If its optional, why not.

Elsonso · February 2015

I run an add-on that tells me when I hover over a guild mate, but sadly, it is not possible to get what guilds a player is in.

I am not really interested in name plates, but I would like to find out guilds without whispering to them.

Jayshua · February 2015

Any info or news on this @ZOS_ChipHilseberg‌ @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

Jayshua · February 2015

We would like some answers!

Jayshua · February 2015

Any info or news on this @ZOS_ChipHilseberg‌ @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

cozmon3c_ESO · February 2015

this is what format i was thinking, doesnt need to be a name plate but oh hover.

(pvp rank) (lvl) Leper Si
Former Emperor of Guild Umbra

Simple really and can be used for all titles. We have the need to show off our guild ZoS, i have been trying to get you guys to listen but dont seem to be, on this atleast.

Jayshua · February 2015

Any info or news on this @ZOS_ChipHilseberg‌ @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

Malnutrition · February 2015

I would definitely like the option of choice in regards to this, and I found it strange that it wasn't in the game at launch.