Does ZoS think we are idiots? XP Boosters

Jando · February 2015

In the February Road Ahead, Game Director Matt Firor states:

"The most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc. that you have been used to since April of last year. We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store."

Notice that he completely ignores the introduction of the entirely new, endless XP grind that is the Champion System

He then states:

"I know there's some concern and discussion around what types of items you'll see in the Crown Store in the future, and I want to stress that our philosophy of convenience and customization will always be used to make the determination of what goes into the store and what doesn't. As such, I can tell you that we'll almost certainly have experience boost potions in the store at some point, as this kind of shortcut (spending less time to gain experience) is classified as a convenience. That way, you still have the choice of purchasing them with crowns or in-game gold."

Does ZoS think we are complete idiots? Do they think that we can't see what they have done? Sure, they haven't artificially elongated the leveling experience that already existed. Instead, they just created a new, endless, Champion System so that they can sell XP boosters. Did they really think they would fool us?

So they are "not going to make it harder for [us] to enjoy the game [we] already play to encourage [us] to use the Crown Store." Instead they are going to introduce an entirely new system to make it harder for us to enjoy the game and to encourage us to use the Crown Store.

It's insulting, really.

Why can't they just create great content and sell it to us at a reasonable price?

Roechacca · February 2015

At this point nothing surprises me at all . The whole debate over what's acceptable and not pay to win will be completly subjective to each persons personal philosophy . You'll have people later saying materials aren't pay to win , gold doesn't make a good character , that weapons ok cause there's another like it in game , ect ect and on on . It happens in every game they do this . It's all Player and Dev opinion at this point .

My opinion is I'm out .

Asgari · February 2015

Does the ring of Mara stack with xp booster potion and xp bolster sub fee?

Kevinmon · February 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Does the ring of Mara stack with xp booster potion and xp bolster sub fee?

Yes

Soulshine · February 2015

Unless they have changed it, the Mara rings do not provide XP boost past lvl50.

Asgari · February 2015

Soulshine wrote: »

Unless they have changed it, the Mara rings do not provide XP boost past lvl50.

I'm asking for when Veteran Ranks are removed. If all 3 stack then I would agree that is an issue.

Jando · February 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Unless they have changed it, the Mara rings do not provide XP boost past lvl50.

I'm asking for when Veteran Ranks are removed. If all 3 stack then I would agree that is an issue.

Veteran Ranks are not going to be removed, if at all, for a while.

Soulshine · February 2015

Well here's the thing. In other games with vertical progression, XP boosts are pretty much a staple. No one that I can think of in my old games griped about them being P2W.

But our situation here is a little different with this whole CP system, innit? Once VR does go away, if ever, then we have what is supposed to be horizontal leveling in CS. Roughly based on everything I am seeing on PTS, the first 30 points earned in each constellation give you a really strong character, let alone any points after that.

Now most of us at cap will already start out with 70 points to spend, and with these kinds of boosts up to 40% rate, could easily get enough XP to earn the additional 30 or 40 points and get some pretty uber stats in a very short time even with the current lousy rate on PTS actually, especially compared to brand new accounts, non-subbed, and new level 50s.

Considering the discussion I have already been participating in another thread about this power gap problem however, I seriously doubt people are willing to look squarely in the face at what that means, both for PvP and PvE. Many just don't seem to care, and so will likely dismiss the concerns you're raising here.

The real winner in all this is of course @ZoS, since they get to cash in on both ends of the specturm.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · February 2015

Soulshine wrote: »

Unless they have changed it, the Mara rings do not provide XP boost past lvl50.

I call BS on this because I know they work above level 50...why? because I have a partner in game (with Rings) and when we use them it changes the amount of XP we get (10% more above teamup) and we can use them in Craglorn or anywhere else and they work..

PS-

So lets see,
10% from the rings of Mara
10% from Team up
10% from Subbing after 3/17/15 from ESO+

= +30% XP to get CP points..

God forbid we use a XP Booster (IDK maybe +10%) and it stacks..

Soulshine · February 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Unless they have changed it, the Mara rings do not provide XP boost past lvl50.

I call BS on this because I know they work above level 50...why? because I have a partner in game (with Rings) and when we use them it changes the amount of XP we get (10% more above teamup) and we can use them in Craglorn or anywhere else and they work..

PS-

So lets see,
10% from the rings of Mara
10% from Team up
10% from Subbing after 3/17/15 from ESO+
= +30% XP to get CP points..

God forbid we use a XP Booster (IDK maybe +10%) and it stacks..

Call it BS if you like doesn't change that it was a fact that they did not work in VR when I used them last, as I leveled out in VR a long time back.

That is why I asked for someone in another thread to confirm if they do in fact work in VR levels at this time.

Iago · February 2015

in answer to the question your title poses yes they think we are idiots. it is abundantly clear by the number of lies that they tell us and don't even try to cover up.

Jando · February 2015

StaticWax wrote: »

[...]

Ouch...that stings. Good one, fanboi.

[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]

Kragorn · February 2015

@geoffreyb14_ESO, I highlighted that quote in another thread so I won't repost here but yes, Firor is to put it politely being entirely disingenuous when he equated to the leveling speed etc. post-U6 with what existed at launch.

The thing that aggravates me the most: being treated like an idiot child by his hoping I don't see the transparent lie in that section of his post.

It's just really insulting to those paying his salary.

LtCrunch · February 2015

It clearly says in your quoted text the XP boosters will also be obtainable with in-game gold and not restricted to the crown store.

/thread

Joejudas · February 2015

Brandalf wrote: »

It clearly says in your quoted text the XP boosters will also be obtainable with in-game gold and not restricted to the crown store.

/thread

I'll point out to you a couple of things :
Those will never sell for a gold amount low enough for a casual player to be able to attain them.
If the exp bonus is equal to the sub bonus, why even sub.
Gold farmers are going to have a field day with this.
What's the next " convenience " item , SO armor maybe ?

Syntse · February 2015

Soulshine wrote: »

Call it BS if you like doesn't change that it was a fact that they did not work in VR when I used them last, as I leveled out in VR a long time back.

That is why I asked for someone in another thread to confirm if they do in fact work in VR levels at this time.

Rings didn't work with VP however VP was removed and it should be all exp now. I have feeling that rings do work now. Think I got bit more exp when gaming with my wife with the chars with ring. And bit less when when we grouped with chars without the rings.

I'll try to do true test during the weekend just playing with the marad chars and removing the ring.

Soulshine · February 2015

Syntse wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Call it BS if you like doesn't change that it was a fact that they did not work in VR when I used them last, as I leveled out in VR a long time back.

That is why I asked for someone in another thread to confirm if they do in fact work in VR levels at this time.

Rings didn't work with VP however VP was removed and it should be all exp now. I have feeling that rings do work now. Think I got bit more exp when gaming with my wife with the chars with ring. And bit less when when we grouped with chars without the rings.

I'll try to do true test during the weekend just playing with the marad chars and removing the ring.

Cool thanks

It would be nice to know since my own ring partner got frustrated with the game and left back then, and he is still in lower vr ranks. I kept at it and capped without him. If it is confirmed that they now work, I would like to let him know since I could help him level faster if he chooses to come back to the game.

LtCrunch · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

It clearly says in your quoted text the XP boosters will also be obtainable with in-game gold and not restricted to the crown store.

/thread

I'll point out to you a couple of things :
Those will never sell for a gold amount low enough for a casual player to be able to attain them.
If the exp bonus is equal to the sub bonus, why even sub.
Gold farmers are going to have a field day with this.
What's the next " convenience " item , SO armor maybe ?

Joe, you really need to just stop with the non-stop hyperbole. You keep on like this you will be known all around the forums as "that" guy. The one that manages to find catastrophic prophecies in anything and everything. You're a loyal player and you're worried, we get it. Most of us are worried to varying degrees, but there is no need for such sensationalism.

XP boosts are the most common item for a cash shop to include, most of them don't offer an in-game alternative either. If anything this is to help close the gap between subscribers and non-subscribers and making it a more level playing field across the board.

Nazon_Katts · February 2015

There's some good to this, too. We now can stop making wild guesses about the purpose of the Tonic of Accelerated Time...

Neizir · February 2015

What if I told you that Champion XP and Regular XP aren't the same? You get a passive XP buff for CXP anyway.

All of these silly threads need to stop popping up.

Ace_SiN · February 2015

The grind passed 50 sucks.. Bring on the XP pots! The XP boost alone is enough to resub over..

BlueIllyrian · February 2015

OP, what did you expect, the moment you have a cash shop it will slide to p2w sooner or later. As for the road ahead... Har-har, hardy-har, every word written is subject to change and thus worthless.

Joejudas · February 2015

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

It clearly says in your quoted text the XP boosters will also be obtainable with in-game gold and not restricted to the crown store.

/thread

I'll point out to you a couple of things :
Those will never sell for a gold amount low enough for a casual player to be able to attain them.
If the exp bonus is equal to the sub bonus, why even sub.
Gold farmers are going to have a field day with this.
What's the next " convenience " item , SO armor maybe ?

Joe, you really need to just stop with the non-stop hyperbole. You keep on like this you will be known all around the forums as "that" guy. The one that manages to find catastrophic prophecies in anything and everything. You're a loyal player and you're worried, we get it. Most of us are worried to varying degrees, but there is no need for such sensationalism.

XP boosts are the most common item for a cash shop to include, most of them don't offer an in-game alternative either. If anything this is to help close the gap between subscribers and non-subscribers and making it a more level playing field across the board.

so instead of making a crappy grind even worse with no new content, why dont they release that content that we all know has been done for months that we paid for and scale the exp to be rewarding. They wont, they are going to release it for folks who only buy the box and didnt pay a sub for 10 months. o goody i get a stupid tiger mount for paying for 10 months,but not that done content. They could make it 250exp for a cp, and make the questing exp and pvp exp worth it, but why do that when they can rip people off for 5 bucks a week by shoving exp pots in their face.

LtCrunch · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

It clearly says in your quoted text the XP boosters will also be obtainable with in-game gold and not restricted to the crown store.

/thread

I'll point out to you a couple of things :
Those will never sell for a gold amount low enough for a casual player to be able to attain them.
If the exp bonus is equal to the sub bonus, why even sub.
Gold farmers are going to have a field day with this.
What's the next " convenience " item , SO armor maybe ?

Joe, you really need to just stop with the non-stop hyperbole. You keep on like this you will be known all around the forums as "that" guy. The one that manages to find catastrophic prophecies in anything and everything. You're a loyal player and you're worried, we get it. Most of us are worried to varying degrees, but there is no need for such sensationalism.

XP boosts are the most common item for a cash shop to include, most of them don't offer an in-game alternative either. If anything this is to help close the gap between subscribers and non-subscribers and making it a more level playing field across the board.

so instead of making a crappy grind even worse with no new content, why dont they release that content that we all know has been done for months that we paid for and scale the exp to be rewarding. They wont, they are going to release it for folks who only buy the box and didnt pay a sub for 10 months. o goody i get a stupid tiger mount for paying for 10 months,but not that done content. They could make it 250exp for a cp, and make the questing exp and pvp exp worth it, but why do that when they can rip people off for 5 bucks a week by shoving exp pots in their face.

You paid for access to the game. You got exactly what you paid for, just like every other subscriber did. You're not entitled to anything more than that from your subscription. New systems like the champion system and major tweaks, came about due to player feedback, our feedback. The feedback we provided contributed to a lack of new content just as much as the cash shop and the B2P conversion has. Obviously content like Wrothgar, Murkmire, Imperial City, etc. would be pushed back if they decided to heed our feedback, which they did.

They have vastly improved the game due directly to our feedback and it's in a much better place with update 6 than it's ever been. Be happy about what they did for us and the game instead of dwelling on what hasn't happened yet. If they kept churning out New content and ignored feedback about vet ranks, stamina/magicka imbalances, heavy armor's lackluster effective Ness, etc. the game would be in a much worse spot as a whole.

BlueIllyrian · February 2015

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

It clearly says in your quoted text the XP boosters will also be obtainable with in-game gold and not restricted to the crown store.

/thread

I'll point out to you a couple of things :
Those will never sell for a gold amount low enough for a casual player to be able to attain them.
If the exp bonus is equal to the sub bonus, why even sub.
Gold farmers are going to have a field day with this.
What's the next " convenience " item , SO armor maybe ?

Joe, you really need to just stop with the non-stop hyperbole. You keep on like this you will be known all around the forums as "that" guy. The one that manages to find catastrophic prophecies in anything and everything. You're a loyal player and you're worried, we get it. Most of us are worried to varying degrees, but there is no need for such sensationalism.

XP boosts are the most common item for a cash shop to include, most of them don't offer an in-game alternative either. If anything this is to help close the gap between subscribers and non-subscribers and making it a more level playing field across the board.

so instead of making a crappy grind even worse with no new content, why dont they release that content that we all know has been done for months that we paid for and scale the exp to be rewarding. They wont, they are going to release it for folks who only buy the box and didnt pay a sub for 10 months. o goody i get a stupid tiger mount for paying for 10 months,but not that done content. They could make it 250exp for a cp, and make the questing exp and pvp exp worth it, but why do that when they can rip people off for 5 bucks a week by shoving exp pots in their face.

You paid for access to the game. You got exactly what you paid for, just like every other subscriber did. You're not entitled to anything more than that from your subscription. New systems like the champion system and major tweaks, came about due to player feedback, ourr feedback. The feedback we provided contributed to a lack of new content just as much as the cash shop and the B2P conversion has. Obviously content like Wrothgar, Murkmire, Imperial City, etc. would be pushed back if they decided to heed our feedback, which they did.

They have vastly improved the game due directly to our feedback and it's in a much better place with update 6 than it's ever been. Be happy about what they did for us and the game instead of dwelling on what hasn't happened yet. I off they kept churning out New content and ignored feedback about vet ranks, stamina/magicka imbalances, heavy armor's lackluster effective Ness, etc. the game would be in a much worse spot as a whole.

Yes, whatever rolls your way you are happy so long as it has ESO logo on it, glad it works for you.

Joejudas · February 2015

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

It clearly says in your quoted text the XP boosters will also be obtainable with in-game gold and not restricted to the crown store.

/thread

I'll point out to you a couple of things :
Those will never sell for a gold amount low enough for a casual player to be able to attain them.
If the exp bonus is equal to the sub bonus, why even sub.
Gold farmers are going to have a field day with this.
What's the next " convenience " item , SO armor maybe ?

Joe, you really need to just stop with the non-stop hyperbole. You keep on like this you will be known all around the forums as "that" guy. The one that manages to find catastrophic prophecies in anything and everything. You're a loyal player and you're worried, we get it. Most of us are worried to varying degrees, but there is no need for such sensationalism.

XP boosts are the most common item for a cash shop to include, most of them don't offer an in-game alternative either. If anything this is to help close the gap between subscribers and non-subscribers and making it a more level playing field across the board.

so instead of making a crappy grind even worse with no new content, why dont they release that content that we all know has been done for months that we paid for and scale the exp to be rewarding. They wont, they are going to release it for folks who only buy the box and didnt pay a sub for 10 months. o goody i get a stupid tiger mount for paying for 10 months,but not that done content. They could make it 250exp for a cp, and make the questing exp and pvp exp worth it, but why do that when they can rip people off for 5 bucks a week by shoving exp pots in their face.

You paid for access to the game. You got exactly what you paid for, just like every other subscriber did. You're not entitled to anything more than that from your subscription. New systems like the champion system and major tweaks, came about due to player feedback, our feedback. The feedback we provided contributed to a lack of new content just as much as the cash shop and the B2P conversion has. Obviously content like Wrothgar, Murkmire, Imperial City, etc. would be pushed back if they decided to heed our feedback, which they did.

They have vastly improved the game due directly to our feedback and it's in a much better place with update 6 than it's ever been. Be happy about what they did for us and the game instead of dwelling on what hasn't happened yet. If they kept churning out New content and ignored feedback about vet ranks, stamina/magicka imbalances, heavy armor's lackluster effective Ness, etc. the game would be in a much worse spot as a whole.

so you think the b2p was from feedback from the pc sub base. thats funny.

Audigy · February 2015

I am unsure how they try to fool anyone?

Everyone with a tiny bit of knowledge about MMOs and gaming knew that they MUST sell XP potions and boosts in the crown store upon CS implementation.

Do you honestly think that new players want to grind 2 years until they can finally start playing with their friends who are subbed since release? There must be a shortcut and that shortcut are those boosts.

The CS creates a huge gap, already by 70 points with 1.6 - that gap must be closed, else nobody will ever join ESO. Boosts will close it + give ZO money, perfect deal for them.

Maybe the greedy "we are special and need more CP´s at start", finally realize what harm they did to ESO with that request.

LtCrunch · February 2015

BlueIllyrian wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

It clearly says in your quoted text the XP boosters will also be obtainable with in-game gold and not restricted to the crown store.

/thread

I'll point out to you a couple of things :
Those will never sell for a gold amount low enough for a casual player to be able to attain them.
If the exp bonus is equal to the sub bonus, why even sub.
Gold farmers are going to have a field day with this.
What's the next " convenience " item , SO armor maybe ?

Joe, you really need to just stop with the non-stop hyperbole. You keep on like this you will be known all around the forums as "that" guy. The one that manages to find catastrophic prophecies in anything and everything. You're a loyal player and you're worried, we get it. Most of us are worried to varying degrees, but there is no need for such sensationalism.

XP boosts are the most common item for a cash shop to include, most of them don't offer an in-game alternative either. If anything this is to help close the gap between subscribers and non-subscribers and making it a more level playing field across the board.

so instead of making a crappy grind even worse with no new content, why dont they release that content that we all know has been done for months that we paid for and scale the exp to be rewarding. They wont, they are going to release it for folks who only buy the box and didnt pay a sub for 10 months. o goody i get a stupid tiger mount for paying for 10 months,but not that done content. They could make it 250exp for a cp, and make the questing exp and pvp exp worth it, but why do that when they can rip people off for 5 bucks a week by shoving exp pots in their face.

You paid for access to the game. You got exactly what you paid for, just like every other subscriber did. You're not entitled to anything more than that from your subscription. New systems like the champion system and major tweaks, came about due to player feedback, ourr feedback. The feedback we provided contributed to a lack of new content just as much as the cash shop and the B2P conversion has. Obviously content like Wrothgar, Murkmire, Imperial City, etc. would be pushed back if they decided to heed our feedback, which they did.

They have vastly improved the game due directly to our feedback and it's in a much better place with update 6 than it's ever been. Be happy about what they did for us and the game instead of dwelling on what hasn't happened yet. I off they kept churning out New content and ignored feedback about vet ranks, stamina/magicka imbalances, heavy armor's lackluster effective Ness, etc. the game would be in a much worse spot as a whole.

Yes, whatever rolls your way you are happy so long as it has ESO logo on it, glad it works for you.

I won't apologize for not being a hyperbolic doomsayer, am I a fanboy? Yes, ZOS made me one. Do I blindly accept everything they do/say? Nope, not by a long shot. Do I try to maintain a reasonable and objective outlook? You bet.

Joejudas · February 2015

Audigy wrote: »

I am unsure how they try to fool anyone?

Everyone with a tiny bit of knowledge about MMOs and gaming knew that they MUST sell XP potions and boosts in the crown store upon CS implementation.

Do you honestly think that new players want to grind 2 years until they can finally start playing with their friends who are subbed since release? There must be a shortcut and that shortcut are those boosts.

The CS creates a huge gap, already by 70 points with 1.6 - that gap must be closed, else nobody will ever join ESO. Boosts will close it + give ZO money, perfect deal for them.

Maybe the greedy "we are special and need more CP´s at start", finally realize what harm they did to ESO with that request.

heres a grand idea.

new content

LtCrunch · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

It clearly says in your quoted text the XP boosters will also be obtainable with in-game gold and not restricted to the crown store.

/thread

I'll point out to you a couple of things :
Those will never sell for a gold amount low enough for a casual player to be able to attain them.
If the exp bonus is equal to the sub bonus, why even sub.
Gold farmers are going to have a field day with this.
What's the next " convenience " item , SO armor maybe ?

Joe, you really need to just stop with the non-stop hyperbole. You keep on like this you will be known all around the forums as "that" guy. The one that manages to find catastrophic prophecies in anything and everything. You're a loyal player and you're worried, we get it. Most of us are worried to varying degrees, but there is no need for such sensationalism.

XP boosts are the most common item for a cash shop to include, most of them don't offer an in-game alternative either. If anything this is to help close the gap between subscribers and non-subscribers and making it a more level playing field across the board.

so instead of making a crappy grind even worse with no new content, why dont they release that content that we all know has been done for months that we paid for and scale the exp to be rewarding. They wont, they are going to release it for folks who only buy the box and didnt pay a sub for 10 months. o goody i get a stupid tiger mount for paying for 10 months,but not that done content. They could make it 250exp for a cp, and make the questing exp and pvp exp worth it, but why do that when they can rip people off for 5 bucks a week by shoving exp pots in their face.

You paid for access to the game. You got exactly what you paid for, just like every other subscriber did. You're not entitled to anything more than that from your subscription. New systems like the champion system and major tweaks, came about due to player feedback, our feedback. The feedback we provided contributed to a lack of new content just as much as the cash shop and the B2P conversion has. Obviously content like Wrothgar, Murkmire, Imperial City, etc. would be pushed back if they decided to heed our feedback, which they did.

They have vastly improved the game due directly to our feedback and it's in a much better place with update 6 than it's ever been. Be happy about what they did for us and the game instead of dwelling on what hasn't happened yet. If they kept churning out New content and ignored feedback about vet ranks, stamina/magicka imbalances, heavy armor's lackluster effective Ness, etc. the game would be in a much worse spot as a whole.

so you think the b2p was from feedback from the pc sub base. thats funny.

Nope. Nice try though.

Maotti · February 2015

Ace_SiN wrote: »

The grind passed 50 sucks.. Bring on the XP pots! The XP boost alone is enough to resub over..

It doesn't help when they nerf all XP to the ground. That means paying to get the same XP as we have today, or had some months ago.

I certainly hope that the XP potion boosts will have a very high number.