Alchemy: 25% decrease in production. Why?

Bastijer · February 2015

Hello, perhaps this has been discused elsewhere, but I could not find it, so I post here.

I noticed that in PTS now you can produce max 3 units per craft of any given potion. In live we can produce 4 potions per craft. This is a 25% reduction.

Could someone explain why this reduction? havent seen in patch notes, but perhaps I missed it.
Could someone explain what do we get as counterpart for this loss?. Better potions?

Thanks for your inputs

Ezareth · February 2015

Wow, I didn't notice this.

If I had to guess I'd say it was an attempt to force players to use the ZoS Cash shop potions by making farming/buying player crafted potions too expensive.

Note: this can be somewhat offset by certain champion point distributions if you had the ability to turn one of your alts into a farming only specialized character.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · February 2015

Wow I did not notice this. Is it part of the tooltip for the skill, or just what happens when you try to craft?

Either way, I will add it to my recent list of changes/issues with potions in 1.6

Weberda · February 2015

I suspect this is going to have a major affect on the economy in PVP since so many players suck down potions like candy. Obviously the price is going to rise. What a stupid change..........

Armitas · February 2015

I already have to farm mats one hour a day just to cover my own use. Flowers cost more than pots already.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · February 2015

I just logged onto PTS and tested this. My copied character still makes potions 4 at a time, and the tooltip for Chemistry passive still says "produces 3 extra potions per attempt". Maybe this is an issue with the template character?

Will upload screenshot shortly.

EDIT:

Weberda · February 2015

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

I just logged onto PTS and tested this. My copied character still makes potions 4 at a time, and the tooltip for Chemistry passive still says "produces 3 extra potions per attempt". Maybe this is an issue with the template character?

Will upload screenshot shortly.

EDIT:

Possibly. Need to determine what the actual number is. I know a lot of folks who won't like spending 12k for 75 pots instead of 100.

Bastijer · February 2015

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Wow I did not notice this. Is it part of the tooltip for the skill, or just what happens when you try to craft?

Either way, I will add it to my recent list of changes/issues with potions in 1.6

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

I just logged onto PTS and tested this. My copied character still makes potions 4 at a time, and the tooltip for Chemistry passive still says "produces 3 extra potions per attempt". Maybe this is an issue with the template character?

Will upload screenshot shortly.

I just tested it and made some potions, drinks and foods, and it seems to be a tooltip typo. It says 3 but it crafts 4 in all cases.

I tested it with a template char and wiht my "normal" V14 NB with maxed alchemy with the same results.

So it seems to be an easy tooltip fix and nothing else

EDIT:

Btw, In fact I noticed that the max level potions (tripots) do have now an extra 20% health/stam/magika regeneration for +/- 30 seconds each. Much better than anything in the Crown store yet. So this is a plus for ZOS this time I guess

Weberda · February 2015

Semantics maybe. "3 extra" would be in addition to initial one that is created.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · February 2015

The tooltip says "3 extra," which means you create your original 1 item, then that passive creates 3 extra ones, for a total of 4. Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

AlnilamE · February 2015

That is what it says. "make 1 get 3 free" kind of deal.

Bastijer · February 2015

Weberda wrote: »

Semantics maybe. "3 extra" would be in addition to initial one that is created.

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

The tooltip says "3 extra," which means you create your original 1 item, then that passive creates 3 extra ones, for a total of 4. Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

It could perfectly be the case

SoulScream · February 2015

Following this, I hope it's not a stealth nerf.

XEVENEX · February 2015

Edited. I cant read.

Feidam · February 2015

There has not been a nerf to alchemy. Just logged in and tested it. You will get 4 total potions per craft with the passive. EXACTLY, how it is on live. Also, it worded the same as it is on live. You get up to 3 potions extra. For a total of 4.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · February 2015

XEVENEX wrote: »

Its all about the crown store guys, wake up. They want to sell more crown potions.

This company pisses me off more and more every day. Their game is in flipping shambles and this is the *** theyre feeding us.

Calm down. It looks like this was a misinterpretation.

DeathDealer19 · February 2015

Weberda wrote: »

Semantics maybe. "3 extra" would be in addition to initial one that is created.

This is indeed true

Jaerlach · February 2015

Also, potion prices will go down if nothing else changes due to the 45 sec cooldown. This will make stacks of 100 pots last a lot longer, especially dps pots which are used on cooldown.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · February 2015

Jaerlach wrote: »

Also, potion prices will go down if nothing else changes due to the 45 sec cooldown. This will make stacks of 100 pots last a lot longer, especially dps pots which are used on cooldown.

I would be surprised if prices dropped very much. Given how potions are now part of the Major/Minor system, and thus compete with the buffs/effects from abilities, I foresee a lower demand for +damage/+crit potions because their effects will be rendered useless by what abilities provide. Between all class and weapon skills, everyone has access to at least 1 Major +damage buff, so why waste money on a potion that does the same thing? This makes stat potions a more reliable choice, which I think would increase the demand for them. For the same reason, I can also see people now wanting 2-effect potions (+crit and +magicka, for example) instead of three since, like I said, the third effect would likely just be overwritten by a buff from an ability.

sput4ueb17_ESO · February 2015

if it says 3 xtra then 1 + 3 extra = 4 overall ?
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Feidam · February 2015

sput4ueb17_ESO wrote: »

if it says 3 xtra then 1 + 3 extra = 4 overall ?
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Yes. 3 extra means the 1 original plus 3 for a total of 4.

Xeniph · February 2015

Yup, the first potion you create isn't considered extra.

You create one potion+ 3 EXTRA. The wording is a bit misleading.

Pirhana7_ESO · February 2015

Armitas wrote: »

I already have to farm mats one hour a day just to cover my own use. Flowers cost more than pots already.

It is still 4 potions so don't worry. ALSO with the champion system perks people will be gathering nodes 50% faster as well as have a chance to get double materials..... so this will actually make it easier and less time consuming for your gathering needs