I have not even left Grahtwood yet and I am lvl 27, I complete every single little thing before moving on, will probably be lvl 30 by the time I leave the zone.

I hear and read a lot of people qqing over veteran leveling and I am not looking forward to it...

Enjoying the game so far now that I have sweetfx+eso enhanced graphics launcher and all the addons, really did not like the game without those things.

A LFG tool for dungeons would be nice as well. Tired of spamming zone chat.

If Vet leveling is just the same as other levels for the sake of added artificial grind, then I will probably hate it just as much as everyone else.

We probably won't be seeing any movement on Veteran Ranks until the end of the year.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Once that happens, silver/gold will be completely optional anyhow... (though still a good source for XP to earn C-points with for those who like questing)

They can't be optional!

ZOS have failed to give any idea how they intend to eliminate the VR levels and for one very simple reason: what does V14 character become the day VR 'goes away'?

On that day a VR14 will have 'n' CS spent on character progressions. But what about the skill and attribute points they earned going through Silver and Gold? Are those taken away? You can be another massive rage-fest if ZOS did that, but that still leaves the question, what IS a character that was VR14 in the new VR-free game?

Level 50?

Clearly not, the CPs alone mean it's way more powerful that a new 50. I see no obvious answer.

Or how about this question: what content is 'level appropriate' for what was a VR10?

Craglorn?

Are the mobs in Craglorn not going to be level 50 as in Coldharbour, or maybe the old VR1 zone? Clearly not, it would make a mockery of the previous VR10+ content. So what DOES determine the 'power' of the mobs in Craglorn?

What level mobs are there, say, in what as a VR7 zone?

They can't be 50 as that means the mobs in the Silver and Gold content are the same. But how can they be made stronger when there's no 'level' beyond 50?

Someone may say "the Champion System" replaces it. It doesn't!

The CS system is about spending the proceeds of leveling, ie. CPs derived from XPs, but XPs are a LEVELING mechanism and take VR away THERE IS NO LEVELING ABOVE 50!

Fine you may say, but the SIlver and Gold content is still there to get XP and therefore CP, but without any more' leveling' beyond 50 that would mean 10 levels of mobs of the same level .. or what, exactly?

Spending CPs makes you more powerful but without the foundation of a concept of a 'level' mob scaling becomes impossible because there is no method of comparing a mob's power with a character's that is remotely able to be used to this purpose. In the absence of a 'scale' of increasing difficulty how do ZOS determine the strength of mobs in what were VR zones?

Recently ZOS have said new content will 'scale to your level' but there IS NO LEVEL ABOVE 50 once VR goes so they have no basis on which to do the scaling.

I'm totally convinced ZOS hadn't thought this through at all when they announced VR was going away. How can they eliminate a significant chunk of leveling content just like that? Answer is they can't, and they came to realise it, so now they have no real idea and comments like "it will scale to your level" I'm sure simply demonstrate the lack of any real idea where they're going.

Troneon wrote: »

I have not even left Grahtwood yet and I am lvl 27, I complete every single little thing before moving on, will probably be lvl 30 by the time I leave the zone.

I hear and read a lot of people qqing over veteran leveling and I am not looking forward to it...

Enjoying the game so far now that I have sweetfx+eso enhanced graphics launcher and all the addons, really did not like the game without those things.

A LFG tool for dungeons would be nice as well. Tired of spamming zone chat.

If Vet leveling is just the same as other levels for the sake of added artificial grind, then I will probably hate it just as much as everyone else.

That's exactly what it is. The exact same thing, but 10x the xp requirement to level.

Durban wrote: »

Yes lets nerf the XP we are going to need to level our champion points when 1.6 launches, brilliant idea.

The XP requirement, not the XP gained... Nerf the XP needed to 100k or 150k if they must.

Seraphyel wrote: »

They should get rid of it ASAP.

I would agree that VR levels should be removed entirely. Somehow between the time Champion system was first mentioned and then I canceled my sub...I expected/assumed ZOS was replacing the VR levels with the champion system...cause that made sense.

Alphashado wrote: »

I agree with the OP. Convert vr14 into level 63, reduce the xp required like normal levels, make silver/gold optional and be done with it.

Everyone will still quest and complete map objectives in order to gain CPs, but we could do it when and where we wanted.

Those 3 simple changes would make this game soo much better.

Totally agree. Let us get to endgame faster, and let silver and gold be optional like a bonus to the dailys for those who just cant get enough.
Leveling pace is fine 1-50, but the vet levels was the reason half my guild left.

Hexcaliber wrote: »

3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »

Hexcaliber wrote: »

Veteran levels are about to go the way of the dinosaur with 1.6, why start a pointless qq thread at the 11th hour?

Veteran ranks are not going away in 1.6 and they are going away any tine in the near future

The entire framework is being redone, they will be removed in everything but name, and the only reason for that is to stop all the qq that would have followed if they were removed without something ready to replace them. Once everyone has settled into the cp system and they have seasons in place veteran ranks will disappear all together,post 1.6 they serve no other purpose than inflating the egos of some veterans.

You are clearly new to ZoS. What they say and what they do are two entirely different things. You will learn this.

Kragorn wrote: »

They can't be optional!
[and stuff]

Speculatory Answers

• They can be optional. They also should be doable in either order.
• A VR 14 would be Level 50 just like a VR 1 is Level 50 (which is just like they are now; all VR characters are Level 50), but the former VR 14 will have more skill points/attribute points/better gear than the former VR 1.
• Mobs can all be labelled as Level 50, but they can still have more HP/attack/defence if they were in what was previously a higher VR zone when compared to the mobs in a lower VR zone, just like player characters.

My understanding of the aim of removal of VRs is to get rid of the sequential progression that currently exists post-50; endgame should not be sequential, it should be layered, with progression through each layer but not between layers. You can choose which parts of endgame to participate in, and will not be forced to complete Silver, then Gold, to be viable.

Endgame Now (sequential):
VR1 ----> VR6 ----> VR11 ----> VR14
Silver ----> Gold ----> Craglorn ----> Only now viable for Cyrodiil and Trials

Endgame after removing VRs (layered):
New Lvl 50 ----> Established Level 50
Silver Zone 1 ----> Silver Zone 5
Gold Zone 1 ----> Gold Zone 5
Lower Crag ----> Upper Crag
Early Trials ----> Hard-Mode Trials
Already viable for Cyrodiil

Drazhar14 wrote: »

I am looking forward to when level 50 becomes the max level and vet ranks removed. Lets hope Zenimax doesn't break another one of their promises.

I suspect that the originally planned final phase of the Champion System involving the removal of the Veteran Ranks would have the most impact and require the most work of the development team. All endgame zones, gear, PVE instances (dungeons & trials), PVP scaling, enemies and more will have to be completely re-tuned, and it probably makes the combat & skill system overhaul coming in 1.6 look like a walk in the park.

The fact that consoles are being released with Veteran Ranks firmly in place leads me to believe they might be using a "wait and see" strategy as far how box sales go, as well as the success of the new business model. If they fall short of their goals, I don't think ZOS would justify the amount of work required to remove Veteran Ranks as a top priority, if it's even done at all.

Of course this is speculation on my part, but they are being really silent about this final phase as of late, similar to how they didn't respond to all of the F2P/B2P rumors in the weeks leading up to the official announcement of Tamriel Unlimited. I'm just accepting that we will have Veteran Ranks around for the foreseeable future, even though options to speed up the grind are vaporizing with every new patch.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

That would make sense in a sub based game. Oh wait this game is not sub based anymore. What's the excuse now for having vr still in?

It is in fact still a sub based game, at least until March, at which point they still have money from people who no doubt will continue to choose to sub. My own investment here does not run out until end of May. June we have console launch. The amount of lapse then, between sub period and non-sub period is fairly minimal considering the amount of revenue they are already sitting on. With the windfall of money that will hit come console launch, and their plan to "let breathe" we have a recipe for quite the wait for phase 4 implementation, if in fact that comes at all.

The excuse then, which they have already given is time to continue work on preping for the console launch, which must take a priority over further revamp of the veteran system into CP system.