Alphashado wrote: »

Nothing will be changed until their precious console players start getting to VR, realize what's in front of them and start voicing their displeasure. And their displeasure won't pick up in tempo until the masses of casual players get to VR and power gamers start leveling alts.

So it will be 2-3 months after console release before the crap really hits the fan so to speak. Then zos will react and attempt to finally remove them. Now consider the announcements and development time. So that puts us at late 2015 or early 2016 before they are removed. Just my prediction.

Alphashado wrote: »

Nothing will be changed until their precious console players start getting to VR, realize what's in front of them and start voicing their displeasure. And their displeasure won't pick up in tempo until the masses of casual players get to VR and power gamers start leveling alts.

So it will be 2-3 months after console release before the crap really hits the fan so to speak. Then zos will react and attempt to finally remove them. Now consider the announcements and development time. So that puts us at late 2015 or early 2016 before they are removed. Just my prediction.

Why not just remove them now. Clearly the forums are questioning why they are still around

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Why not just remove them now. Clearly the forums are questioning why they are still around

This forum was constantly questioning them about vet levels for the entire 2cnd half of 2014. That's why zos designed the champion system. So everyone relaxed because the final phase of the champion system was/is supposed to remove them.

Now the final phase is being postponed. Until an undisclosed date. If ever.

VR ranks are all but gone, They all require the same XP, and starting at VR1 you start getting Champion Points....

The only thing they're used for right now is to gate content and items..

Razzak wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Nothing will be changed until their precious console players start getting to VR, realize what's in front of them and start voicing their displeasure. And their displeasure won't pick up in tempo until the masses of casual players get to VR and power gamers start leveling alts.

So it will be 2-3 months after console release before the crap really hits the fan so to speak. Then zos will react and attempt to finally remove them. Now consider the announcements and development time. So that puts us at late 2015 or early 2016 before they are removed. Just my prediction.

Alphashado wrote: »

Nothing will be changed until their precious console players start getting to VR, realize what's in front of them and start voicing their displeasure. And their displeasure won't pick up in tempo until the masses of casual players get to VR and power gamers start leveling alts.

So it will be 2-3 months after console release before the crap really hits the fan so to speak. Then zos will react and attempt to finally remove them. Now consider the announcements and development time. So that puts us at late 2015 or early 2016 before they are removed. Just my prediction.

Why not just remove them now. Clearly the forums are questioning why they are still around

Because current forum is a forum of PC players and they have changed their focus towards console players. Even Sage the leech will play ESO on console.

I only purchased this on PC to play on console....but regardless of the platform. VR levels do not fit. They cause an extended amount of playing that confuses the "at war" concept and then creates more separation between level 49 and 50's.

The champion system by design is not replacing VR levels even though ZOS suggested it was. Champion PTS are just adding to the grind.

I'm OK with grinding for my account if all level 50's are playing content relative to Lvl 50. I'm not OK with having to gain what feels like 64 more levels after level 49 just to maybe be able to experience end game content.

VR levels are and have always been a time sync only. If it releases with consoles, the negative from PC opinion will fall to console.

Why do this if your ZOS. Just remove all VR levels first. Drop everyone to Lvl 50 and then increase the champion points to 200 so that anyone with 8 vr14 characters isn't totally disregarded.

Drop NPC's to a character level system like Crag trash mobs would be level 52. Boses maybe 56-64.

They've already nerfed exp in Crag trash so finish this right.

Robocles wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf You keep saying "just remove them"... it's not simple, by any means, to do it. They can barely release an incremental patch that doesn't break the game, let alone one that changes major game systems. You will see Vet ranks until September, at the least... bank on it.

It is that easy...because anything after level 49 is messed up even under the vet system. The only vet piece that works so far are the silver/gold quests but that's just going through the game all over again.

Also the champion points basically drop VR's to approx VR1-3 so there is absolutely no point to keep vet levels other than to prolong a characters progression to end game content

Drop all vet levels and change trash npc's to level 50-54.

Bosses can be elite and levels 50-64.
It won't be perfect but it's a helluva start in the right direction if all this hits with 1.6

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Also confirm no new content till after summer. Just a few highlights that annoyed me:

- no plans for small scale pvp
- no plans for new endgame content
- when asked about evasion tanking the developer said he "doesn't like missing."

http://questgamingnetwork.com/category/podcasts/esotr-podcasts/

Discuss!

This games going down in flames fast. EQ Next here I come.

Unless... of course, it doesn't come. Their buyout doesn't bode well for your escape route...

wraith808 wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Also confirm no new content till after summer. Just a few highlights that annoyed me:

- no plans for small scale pvp
- no plans for new endgame content
- when asked about evasion tanking the developer said he "doesn't like missing."

http://questgamingnetwork.com/category/podcasts/esotr-podcasts/

Discuss!

This games going down in flames fast. EQ Next here I come.

Unless... of course, it doesn't come. Their buyout doesn't bode well for your escape route...

Also the fact it offers nothing like RvR like this game and instead is competing with WoW

EQ Next is not DOA. Clearly says in the article it will not affect development. Maybe they thought some new blood would be good.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EQ Next is not DOA. Clearly says in the article it will not affect development. Maybe they thought some new blood would be good.

Rolf.. yeah. No sane company looking for investors would ever lie and say they were going to continue production on a product that is loosing money.

Darlgon wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

EQ Next is not DOA. Clearly says in the article it will not affect development. Maybe they thought some new blood would be good.

Rolf.. yeah. No sane company looking for investors would ever lie and say they were going to continue production on a product that is loosing money.

I know... right?

http://eq2wire.com/

Look at the extent of the layoffs, and tell me it won't be affected with a straight face.



There's a lot of management speak in there... but if you look closely enough, you can see through the smoke they're trying to blow up your rear...

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Lauradana wrote: »

Everquest Next is beginning to look REAL good now that I have just read this.
This lot is not getting another penny out of me or the wife, we both had 2 x 6 months subs which we both cancelled and now we are just waiting for the beta of EQ Next to see if they are really going to deliver a sandbox game like they promised, if they do that then this game is so dead for me you would not belive it and I and the wife were real hardcore fans of this game, but too much lying (yes the devs listen to the players my aunt Fanny) and not going back on promises have killed it for us.

I'm beginning to feel similarly. And it is really very sad, because this game has so much potential it just seems that it's continually being crippled by extremely poor developmental decisions. At times they make a move in the right direction, but it's just one step here and there, when what's needed are great strides to get back on the right path. A path I think ZOS themselves have lost sight of.

Experienced or not, the development team is really making some amazing amateurish mistakes, and what's worse; they don't seem to be learning from them.

What Vanguard: Saga of Heroes did for Brad McQuaid's career, Elder Scrolls Online will do for Paul Sage's and Co's career if they continue with this haphazard approach.

Maybe this is the reason for the layoffs. Like I said new blood. They arent just going to cancel something they have not just spent all this money on but have paying customers for already.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Lauradana wrote: »

Everquest Next is beginning to look REAL good now that I have just read this.
This lot is not getting another penny out of me or the wife, we both had 2 x 6 months subs which we both cancelled and now we are just waiting for the beta of EQ Next to see if they are really going to deliver a sandbox game like they promised, if they do that then this game is so dead for me you would not belive it and I and the wife were real hardcore fans of this game, but too much lying (yes the devs listen to the players my aunt Fanny) and not going back on promises have killed it for us.

I'm beginning to feel similarly. And it is really very sad, because this game has so much potential it just seems that it's continually being crippled by extremely poor developmental decisions. At times they make a move in the right direction, but it's just one step here and there, when what's needed are great strides to get back on the right path. A path I think ZOS themselves have lost sight of.

Experienced or not, the development team is really making some amazing amateurish mistakes, and what's worse; they don't seem to be learning from them.

What Vanguard: Saga of Heroes did for Brad McQuaid's career, Elder Scrolls Online will do for Paul Sage's and Co's career if they continue with this haphazard approach.

Maybe this is the reason for the layoffs. Like I said new blood. They arent just going to cancel something they have not just spent all this money on but have paying customers for already.

Wait.. you guys did click the link and see we are talking about layoff on Everquest Two, right? Not ESO?

(Edit: And now.. I have to change mine too, as its talking about EQ2, not Next.)

Why get rid of vet ranks when for the low low price of 499 crowns you can get 1 vet rank, with a bonus of 3 champion points?

*The above is not fact. But wouldn't surprise me if it was an idea that was being kicked around.