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  • hammayolettuce
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    Galalin wrote: »
    I honestly don't know the actual "population numbers" for the 3 factions.... but I do know that on the EU Blackwater Blade campaign, DC is seriously outnumbered. There are times when there are large numbers of us "blue" players online.... but we are ALWAYS outnumbered hugely.

    The other day the red gank squad outside our gate was more than twice the total number of blues online (well, according to number of people in our groups)... and the gank squad was of course just there to prevent us reacting to the actual raiding party busy steamrolling our keeps. This was the middle of the afternoon, so it was an especially bad population imbalance that by no means represents the entire day, but I was amused nonetheless (OK, I lie - I was %@$% frustrated and close to rage quitting for the day)

    At times it is very frustrating... but mostly it just makes the game a real fun challenge (I often wonder if the EP zerg guys ever get to feel a sense of challenge.... "hi honey, me and my 75 closest friends just beat the hell out of 10 blues - you should have seen us!").

    Im EP and i fight being out numbered almost daily because i choose to play on a sever that allows me to... please don't group us all together, some of us EP love a good challenging fight and fighting as underdogs aswell

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  • Darklord_Tiberius
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    roechacca wrote: »
    We already established the broad amount of EP is probably on Welfare or Unemployed in the Unemployment Thread , and therefore has time to play all the time . The vast majority of DC work for a living and have limited play time and hours to devote . If we are to continue broad sweeping generalizations about faction , let's at least agree to be consistent .

    Its very enjoyable, if I do say so myself. Its very hard sitting on my couch playing ESO on my 80" flat screen TV with my mini fridge full of milk and red bull. I mean sometimes I wish I could get up and go to work, but I.... Nah I think I will keep sittin here for awhile. This feels good.
    Edited by Darklord_Tiberius on February 5, 2015 7:25PM
  • Ltownatrain
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    Like people have said do what you want. If you choose to stay EP but want a challenge I would recommend just not pvp'ing on Thornblade (NA) as that seems to be the most imbalanced of the servers for EP during the daytime hours, even though, I would give AD on that server the nod during prime-time as that's when they seem to control the map.
  • Lord_Draevan
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    roechacca wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    We already established the broad amount of EP is probably on Welfare or Unemployed in the Unemployment Thread , and therefore has time to play all the time.

    As an EP who works 8-4 Monday through Friday:

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    I wish I could play all day...

    Should of rolled DC . Everyone there feels that way . lol

    But but... I prefer the Pact in terms of beliefs and lore :(

    Plus playing through Cadwell's quests and having to kill droves of fellow DC would kill the immersion for me.
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  • Roechacca
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    roechacca wrote: »
    We already established the broad amount of EP is probably on Welfare or Unemployed in the Unemployment Thread , and therefore has time to play all the time . The vast majority of DC work for a living and have limited play time and hours to devote . If we are to continue broad sweeping generalizations about faction , let's at least agree to be consistent .

    Its very enjoyable, if I do say so myself. Its very hard sitting on my couch playing ESO on my 80" flat screen TV with my mini fridge full of milk and red bull. I mean sometimes I wish I could get up and go to work, but I.... Nah I think I will keep sittin here for awhile. This feels good.

    I know . I'm envious .


    About the 80" television . Not the other stuff .
  • Hughezy
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    DC are not "out number" there over exaggerating about it. Go to Haderus NA it's nothing but DC there another factions can't even take a resource let alone a keep during the day with out 30+ DC coming down like Volendrung landing in Hammerfell. Even when it's the after noon and every one is off work DC still are able to keep the keeps cause there either at 2 or 3 bars like the other factions most of the time AD are at 3 and EP and DC are at 2.

    ^ This is very true, especially how the current DC emp whined to me about EP early morning capping and then they did it just two days ago. Hypocrisy all over the place.

    Truth is, EP has just gotten better and both DC and AD have gotten worse. Its not our fault the other two factions are bad :(

    Oh god I wish you realise which DC guild plays in Had. (It's a guild far superior to yours.)
  • hammayolettuce
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    FMonk wrote: »
    Honestly, the DC population "crisis" is way overexaggerated. You guys have the numbers, but for whatever reason, they're not choosing to play on Thornblade. These screenshots were taken at ~11:30pm EST on 2/4/15.

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    Locked on Chillrend, 2 bars on Haderus/Blackwater, and yet not locked on Thorn. DC is slightly underpopulated compared to the other two factions for maybe ~6ish hours per day in the late night/early morning NA times, but otherwise you definitely have the numbers to compete. DC just has a complete lack of organization/guilds. Other than No Mercy/Mega Best Friends/whatever they're called now, there really aren't any DC guilds who field strong organized groups. And since they've been spending time on Haderus/PTS, DC on Thorn has been a complete joke. Get groups going with TS, coordination between guilds, etc. You definitely have the numbers to compete, but without organization/leadership, you'll never be able to.

    I definitely agree that DC as a faction lacks some serious organization. But don't be fooled by the poplock in Chillrend. It's only PvErs protecting their precious buffs.
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  • Roechacca
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    roechacca wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    We already established the broad amount of EP is probably on Welfare or Unemployed in the Unemployment Thread , and therefore has time to play all the time.

    As an EP who works 8-4 Monday through Friday:

    ZsUEqx4.gif

    I wish I could play all day...

    Should of rolled DC . Everyone there feels that way . lol

    But but... I prefer the Pact in terms of beliefs and lore :(

    Plus playing through Cadwell's quests and having to kill droves of fellow DC would kill the immersion for me.

    You think most DC choose it for the lore ? Hardly anyone plays a Orc ... Ya we get it . Knew that's exactly why we'd be outnumbered in PVP . Most of Us just enjoy hard mode . Makes the wins more exciting .
  • Panda244
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    A lot of old AD players moved to EP, EP has the largest amount of players all day round because, not entirely sure, but a lot of our AD aussies moved over? Or something similar, but AD usually has the 2nd highest population all day. DC tends to have a lower population unless you poke the hornet's nest and *** off the PvErs, which is hilarious. After Kami was dethroned Chillrend sat at two bar pop 24/7 for a few days... But meh... The PvP is still somewhat balanced in Pop size, skill size is probably mostly DC. EP just blobs on Thornblade, the only good EP players are on Chillrend and Haderus. (Joking.)

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  • Darklord_Tiberius
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    Hughezy wrote: »
    DC are not "out number" there over exaggerating about it. Go to Haderus NA it's nothing but DC there another factions can't even take a resource let alone a keep during the day with out 30+ DC coming down like Volendrung landing in Hammerfell. Even when it's the after noon and every one is off work DC still are able to keep the keeps cause there either at 2 or 3 bars like the other factions most of the time AD are at 3 and EP and DC are at 2.

    ^ This is very true, especially how the current DC emp whined to me about EP early morning capping and then they did it just two days ago. Hypocrisy all over the place.

    Truth is, EP has just gotten better and both DC and AD have gotten worse. Its not our fault the other two factions are bad :(

    Oh god I wish you realise which DC guild plays in Had. (It's a guild far superior to yours.)

    The thing about opinions, is that if they are not mine, I could care less. See how that works? Our actions speak louder than your words ;) shall I post a vid or two showing all of your dead bodies?
    Edited by Darklord_Tiberius on February 5, 2015 7:33PM
  • hammayolettuce
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    roechacca wrote: »
    Hardly anyone plays a Orc .

    I think it's just me, Planchard and Grunt left.
    #OrcLyfe

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  • Roechacca
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    roechacca wrote: »
    Hardly anyone plays a Orc .

    I think it's just me, Planchard and Grunt left.
    #OrcLyfe

    I made one too . I'm just tired of leveling .
  • Asgari
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    Hughezy wrote: »
    DC are not "out number" there over exaggerating about it. Go to Haderus NA it's nothing but DC there another factions can't even take a resource let alone a keep during the day with out 30+ DC coming down like Volendrung landing in Hammerfell. Even when it's the after noon and every one is off work DC still are able to keep the keeps cause there either at 2 or 3 bars like the other factions most of the time AD are at 3 and EP and DC are at 2.

    ^ This is very true, especially how the current DC emp whined to me about EP early morning capping and then they did it just two days ago. Hypocrisy all over the place.

    Truth is, EP has just gotten better and both DC and AD have gotten worse. Its not our fault the other two factions are bad :(

    Oh god I wish you realise which DC guild plays in Had. (It's a guild far superior to yours.)

    The thing about opinions, is that if they are not mine, I could care less. See how that works? Our actions speak louder than your words ;) shall I post a vid or two showing all of your dead bodies?

    I haven't PvP much since PTS release and I must say I may need to come back to Haderus and put you in your place. I recall just a night ago my group of 6 wiped your full raid plus the full raid of AD who followed in after you got rofl stomped.

    No clue as to why you think you and your guild is even halfway decent. The only skill you have is being farmed.
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  • Hughezy
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    roechacca wrote: »
    Hardly anyone plays a Orc .

    I think it's just me, Planchard and Grunt left.
    #OrcLyfe

    and Gondor
  • Ltownatrain
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    Hughezy wrote: »
    DC are not "out number" there over exaggerating about it. Go to Haderus NA it's nothing but DC there another factions can't even take a resource let alone a keep during the day with out 30+ DC coming down like Volendrung landing in Hammerfell. Even when it's the after noon and every one is off work DC still are able to keep the keeps cause there either at 2 or 3 bars like the other factions most of the time AD are at 3 and EP and DC are at 2.

    ^ This is very true, especially how the current DC emp whined to me about EP early morning capping and then they did it just two days ago. Hypocrisy all over the place.

    Truth is, EP has just gotten better and both DC and AD have gotten worse. Its not our fault the other two factions are bad :(

    Oh god I wish you realise which DC guild plays in Had. (It's a guild far superior to yours.)

    The thing about opinions, is that if they are not mine, I could care less. See how that works? Our actions speak louder than your words ;) shall I post a vid or two showing all of your dead bodies?

    I haven't PvP much since PTS release and I must say I may need to come back to Haderus and put you in your place. I recall just a night ago my group of 6 wiped your full raid plus the full raid of AD who followed in after you got rofl stomped.

    No clue as to why you think you and your guild is even halfway decent. The only skill you have is being farmed.

    Shot's Fired! Get the popcorn out everyone!
  • Lord_Draevan
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    roechacca wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    We already established the broad amount of EP is probably on Welfare or Unemployed in the Unemployment Thread , and therefore has time to play all the time.

    As an EP who works 8-4 Monday through Friday:

    ZsUEqx4.gif

    I wish I could play all day...

    Should of rolled DC . Everyone there feels that way . lol

    But but... I prefer the Pact in terms of beliefs and lore :(

    Plus playing through Cadwell's quests and having to kill droves of fellow DC would kill the immersion for me.

    You think most DC choose it for the lore ? Hardly anyone plays a Orc ... Ya we get it . Knew that's exactly why we'd be outnumbered in PVP . Most of Us just enjoy hard mode . Makes the wins more exciting .

    Well I do choose my faction for lore reasons, it'd be hard for me to play a DC character, especially because of aforementioned Cadwell's shennanigans.

    AD would be downright impossible, but just cause I hate those racist/speciesist ***-waffles :disagree:
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  • Ltownatrain
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    roechacca wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    We already established the broad amount of EP is probably on Welfare or Unemployed in the Unemployment Thread , and therefore has time to play all the time.

    As an EP who works 8-4 Monday through Friday:

    ZsUEqx4.gif

    I wish I could play all day...

    Should of rolled DC . Everyone there feels that way . lol

    But but... I prefer the Pact in terms of beliefs and lore :(

    Plus playing through Cadwell's quests and having to kill droves of fellow DC would kill the immersion for me.

    You think most DC choose it for the lore ? Hardly anyone plays a Orc ... Ya we get it . Knew that's exactly why we'd be outnumbered in PVP . Most of Us just enjoy hard mode . Makes the wins more exciting .

    Well I do choose my faction for lore reasons, it'd be hard for me to play a DC character, especially because of aforementioned Cadwell's shennanigans.

    AD would be downright impossible, but just cause I hate those racist/speciesist ***-waffles :disagree:


    Hey now just because we don't like to share our Sweet rolls with others doesn't make us Racist! It just means we enjoy the simple things in life...
    Edited by Ltownatrain on February 5, 2015 8:13PM
  • Lord_Draevan
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    Hey now just because we don't like to share our Sweet rolls with others doesn't make us Racist! It just means we enjoy the simple things in life...

    The simple things, ya know xenophobia, propaganda, the occasional attempted genocide sometime in the future, nothing to get antsy about!
    Edited by Lord_Draevan on February 5, 2015 8:15PM
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  • joshisanonymous
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    Go for whichever alliance you would most like to defend. Chances are that populations will shift again and again so choosing your alliance based on that is a bit silly, not to mention that you don't have to play on Thornblade.

    Before they redid all the campaigns, I was on a campaign where EP had at most 35 people on and AD literally owned the entire map 24 hours a day. Things change, but either way I enjoy the lore of EP way more than the others.
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  • Panda244
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    Hey now just because we don't like to share our Sweet rolls with others doesn't make us Racist! It just means we enjoy the simple things in life...

    The simple things, ya know xenophobia, propaganda, the occasional attempted genocide sometime in the future, nothing to get antsy about!

    Tall, blonde, and beautiful with legs I can climb. I'll set aside the racism and xenophobia for something of that caliber. :heart_eyes:
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  • Lord_Draevan
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    Panda244 wrote: »
    Hey now just because we don't like to share our Sweet rolls with others doesn't make us Racist! It just means we enjoy the simple things in life...

    The simple things, ya know xenophobia, propaganda, the occasional attempted genocide sometime in the future, nothing to get antsy about!

    Tall, blonde, and beautiful with legs I can climb. I'll set aside the racism and xenophobia for something of that caliber. :heart_eyes:

    That's creepy cause I'm a tall blond, but I'm a dude o_O

    Halp. I is scared.
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  • Darklord_Tiberius
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    Hughezy wrote: »
    DC are not "out number" there over exaggerating about it. Go to Haderus NA it's nothing but DC there another factions can't even take a resource let alone a keep during the day with out 30+ DC coming down like Volendrung landing in Hammerfell. Even when it's the after noon and every one is off work DC still are able to keep the keeps cause there either at 2 or 3 bars like the other factions most of the time AD are at 3 and EP and DC are at 2.

    ^ This is very true, especially how the current DC emp whined to me about EP early morning capping and then they did it just two days ago. Hypocrisy all over the place.

    Truth is, EP has just gotten better and both DC and AD have gotten worse. Its not our fault the other two factions are bad :(

    Oh god I wish you realise which DC guild plays in Had. (It's a guild far superior to yours.)

    The thing about opinions, is that if they are not mine, I could care less. See how that works? Our actions speak louder than your words ;) shall I post a vid or two showing all of your dead bodies?

    I haven't PvP much since PTS release and I must say I may need to come back to Haderus and put you in your place. I recall just a night ago my group of 6 wiped your full raid plus the full raid of AD who followed in after you got rofl stomped.

    No clue as to why you think you and your guild is even halfway decent. The only skill you have is being farmed.

    I would love to have your delusions of grandeur. Do come back, we have been stomping you all for the past 7 weeks since we got here. Like my post above states, our actions speak louder than your words. Bring it. #remembertheash #rememberthealswell #rememberthebleakers (we have vids on them all when we stomped you long and hard, since that is how you like it)
  • booksmcread
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    ... fridge full of milk...

    Milk drinker! MILK DRINKER!!!

  • tonemd
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    ***-waffles :disagree:

    "***-waffles Inc!"

    Let it be so canonized.

  • Asgari
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    Hughezy wrote: »
    DC are not "out number" there over exaggerating about it. Go to Haderus NA it's nothing but DC there another factions can't even take a resource let alone a keep during the day with out 30+ DC coming down like Volendrung landing in Hammerfell. Even when it's the after noon and every one is off work DC still are able to keep the keeps cause there either at 2 or 3 bars like the other factions most of the time AD are at 3 and EP and DC are at 2.

    ^ This is very true, especially how the current DC emp whined to me about EP early morning capping and then they did it just two days ago. Hypocrisy all over the place.

    Truth is, EP has just gotten better and both DC and AD have gotten worse. Its not our fault the other two factions are bad :(

    Oh god I wish you realise which DC guild plays in Had. (It's a guild far superior to yours.)

    The thing about opinions, is that if they are not mine, I could care less. See how that works? Our actions speak louder than your words ;) shall I post a vid or two showing all of your dead bodies?

    I haven't PvP much since PTS release and I must say I may need to come back to Haderus and put you in your place. I recall just a night ago my group of 6 wiped your full raid plus the full raid of AD who followed in after you got rofl stomped.

    No clue as to why you think you and your guild is even halfway decent. The only skill you have is being farmed.

    I would love to have your delusions of grandeur. Do come back, we have been stomping you all for the past 7 weeks since we got here. Like my post above states, our actions speak louder than your words. Bring it. #remembertheash #rememberthealswell #rememberthebleakers (we have vids on them all when we stomped you long and hard, since that is how you like it)

    Haha please post a video of me getting stomped by you and your cronies. I know for a fact if I take my crew of 8 vs you and your "best" 8 you'd never win. I can put gold on it too.

    You were a joke 7 weeks ago and still a joke now. By all means keep thinkn you are great. Haderus was my little play thing while I was active there. Like I said, I'll come back and put you back in ur crib.
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  • Hughezy
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    Hughezy wrote: »
    DC are not "out number" there over exaggerating about it. Go to Haderus NA it's nothing but DC there another factions can't even take a resource let alone a keep during the day with out 30+ DC coming down like Volendrung landing in Hammerfell. Even when it's the after noon and every one is off work DC still are able to keep the keeps cause there either at 2 or 3 bars like the other factions most of the time AD are at 3 and EP and DC are at 2.

    ^ This is very true, especially how the current DC emp whined to me about EP early morning capping and then they did it just two days ago. Hypocrisy all over the place.

    Truth is, EP has just gotten better and both DC and AD have gotten worse. Its not our fault the other two factions are bad :(

    Oh god I wish you realise which DC guild plays in Had. (It's a guild far superior to yours.)

    The thing about opinions, is that if they are not mine, I could care less. See how that works? Our actions speak louder than your words ;) shall I post a vid or two showing all of your dead bodies?

    I haven't PvP much since PTS release and I must say I may need to come back to Haderus and put you in your place. I recall just a night ago my group of 6 wiped your full raid plus the full raid of AD who followed in after you got rofl stomped.

    No clue as to why you think you and your guild is even halfway decent. The only skill you have is being farmed.

    I would love to have your delusions of grandeur. Do come back, we have been stomping you all for the past 7 weeks since we got here. Like my post above states, our actions speak louder than your words. Bring it. #remembertheash #rememberthealswell #rememberthebleakers (we have vids on them all when we stomped you long and hard, since that is how you like it)

    If we listed the amount if times we have rofl stomped your group, it would span a few pages.
  • Lord_Draevan
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    Hehe, it'd be great if Princess_Asgari and Darklord_Tiberius guilds get into a fight on Thorn, then BOOM

    DC outta nowhere wipes both groups.
    Edited by Lord_Draevan on February 5, 2015 9:16PM
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  • RedTalon
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    The funny thing is I'm not sure how or why the lock symbol sometimes shows for DC, locked is meant to be there is a wait time on servers right. Yet all of last night was able to switch between thornblade and chillrend whenever I pleased or needed to get out an non port area quickly and go to a given fort or some other spot. Yeah its messed up it says it was locked but never was, and no didn't use traveled to, just hit enter campaing boom, enter, hit enter campaign again to get back to thornblade and go where I wanted to defend or help out.

    Never hit a wait time all night to do this.
    Edited by RedTalon on February 5, 2015 9:17PM
  • Asgari
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    RedTalon wrote: »
    The funny thing is I'm not sure how or why the lock symbol sometimes shows for DC, locked is meant to be there is a wait time on servers right. Yet all of last night was able to switch between thornblade and chillrend whenever I pleased or needed to get out an non port area quickly and go to a given fort or some other spot. Yeah its messed up it says it was locked but never was, and no didn't use traveled to, just hit enter campaing boom, enter, hit enter campaign again to get back to thornblade and go where I wanted to defend or help out.

    Never hit a wait time all night to do this.

    They have stated the lock starts around 90% as a preemptive measure.
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  • RedTalon
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    RedTalon wrote: »
    The funny thing is I'm not sure how or why the lock symbol sometimes shows for DC, locked is meant to be there is a wait time on servers right. Yet all of last night was able to switch between thornblade and chillrend whenever I pleased or needed to get out an non port area quickly and go to a given fort or some other spot. Yeah its messed up it says it was locked but never was, and no didn't use traveled to, just hit enter campaing boom, enter, hit enter campaign again to get back to thornblade and go where I wanted to defend or help out.

    Never hit a wait time all night to do this.

    They have stated the lock starts around 90% as a preemptive measure.

    Ahh that explains it, cause haven't had a wait tim for pvp larger then 7 in the past month for thorn and never get one for chill

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