Will the grouping tool be fixed in 1.6?

Rentt · February 2015

wondering if there planning on fixing the grouping tool in 1.6 ?
i didn't see to much about it in the patch notes on PTS.

Currently for me the grouping tool usually just finds 1 person for the group and then stops working this is normally only 1 or 2 times a week and i keep it going trying to find people probably for 2-5 hours a day.

anyone else having better luck with?

s7732425ub17_ESO · February 2015

Nope. You need to learn how to find groups without using it.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2015

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nope. You need to learn how to find groups without using it.

comments like this ...SMH

Its this elitist mentality that creates a small circle where no one is welcomed in unless they were apart of the original group.

OR

No one can be apart of the team unless they know the lay of the land.

How about this tool that needs to exist and is one of the best ways for strangers to be introduced to other strangers and long-term it builds on the relationships of the game.

Based on the the reply...please provide suggestions on how one is to "learn how to find group without using it" ?

Why would you make this comment unless your intent is "joking around"?

Nestor · February 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Based on the the reply...please provide suggestions on how one is to "learn how to find group without using it" ?

Why would you make this comment unless your intent is "joking around"?

Because it is really true.

The best ways to find a group, in order are:

1. Guilds
2. Zone Chat
3. Inviting someone to group that you are ad hoc running a dungeon with and you mesh well
4. Having real world or off game friends you can invite into a game group activity
5. Group Finder Tool

I have had great success with the first 3 methods, never had to spend more than a few minutes forming up a group for whatever activity. No elitism, no meta gaming, little or no prior knowledge of the other group members.

I would imagine with Trials, people might be particular with who they group with, but for everything else, just show up and pay attention to how the others battle and it will all work out.

Black_Wolf88 · February 2015

since the grouping tool havent worked for months now the only option is to find groups yourself trough friends, guild and zone chat. And I havent seen anything in pts patch notes about the group finder tool.

and if they were able to make it work again it would take time before people start using the grouping tool again as their used to finding group themselves/ have a regular group of guildies/friends + not everyone read the patch notes. which means they wouldnt know it has been fixed, or just dont trust hte patch notes as zos said they fixed it once or twice before and still failed.

in conclusion: dont get your hopes up.

kewl · February 2015

None of the advice given was mean to be condescending. Grouping has been borked since beta. I don't mind pug groups and have only been with a few [snip]. We have a pretty good community overall.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

s7732425ub17_ESO · February 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nope. You need to learn how to find groups without using it.

comments like this ...SMH

Its this elitist mentality that creates a small circle where no one is welcomed in unless they were apart of the original group.

OR

No one can be apart of the team unless they know the lay of the land.

How about this tool that needs to exist and is one of the best ways for strangers to be introduced to other strangers and long-term it builds on the relationships of the game.

Based on the the reply...please provide suggestions on how one is to "learn how to find group without using it" ?

Why would you make this comment unless your intent is "joking around"?

Step by step guide to find groups:
1. Look in zone chat for people that want to do what you want. Invite them into a group.
2. Spam in zone chat or guild chat what you are looking for. Invite anyone who whispers you.
3. Go to Craglorn and repeat step 2.
4. Go to the 5th zone of your faction and repeat step 2.

There is absolutely nothing elitist about this. You simply have to know how to type and stop being shy and actually start a group yourself.

Athas24 · February 2015

@‌Rentt
Group finder tools in games "should" be one of the fastest easiest ways to meet new people and just pug it up. Obviously, guilds are typically the most reliable and lots of people tend to just shout out but the concept behind creating such a tool is for people to use it. The game that I found most successful regarding the group finder tool is Final Fantasy Reborn. You could get a group together really quick and it had lots of options such as *must know dungeon* or *must be ok with watching Cutscenes* etc. Was pretty slick. That game was too goodie goodie for me but something like what they did would be great for a game like this.

Rentt · February 2015

alright seems like grouping might get better once in vet ranks. I Havent found to many PVE dungeon guilds are most people using reddit or something to find them?

but I still think the grouping tool should be fixed since they re taking time away from the game and a "working grouping tool" would be a huge addition to the game.

Theosis · February 2015

the appropriate response is...

There is a grouping tool?

Black_Wolf88 · February 2015

Theosis wrote: »

the appropriate response is...

There is a grouping tool?

the appropriate answer to that would be: there used to be one, but it took an arrow to the knee.

Razzak · February 2015

The saddest part is that even though we might agree on grouping tool not working, players not using it and there being an alternative in forms of guilds and chat, there is no official response to when it might get fixed.
I agree that we do have options to make a group, but a working grouping tool is a standard in MMOs, and it should be one in ESO as well. I can understand they've messed something up by changing how it works in 1.5 and it needs to get fixed. I can also understand it could only be fixed by a major overhaul and it would take time. But that is a part of game development.

What I don't understand is how they can continue to ignore multiple threads and posts about a broken system, like that will somehow make it better.
The last serious response in regards to grouping tool was made months ago and it's starting to look like they might not be interested in fixing it at all. Since, their reasoning might be what they see in here. Players using chat and guilds for making groups. Meaning that the players themselves gave them the excuse for not fixing it in the form of: "you don't need it as you have other forms of grouping".

Instead of players uniting in the demand to have a proper grouping tool in addition to what we already have, they go out of their way to shut down those that want it.

What if this situation is not changed when consoles launch?

Black_Wolf88 · February 2015

I completely agree. Its stupid how they can ignore vital in game mechanics that is broken and never fix it. the grouping tool is just one of many. another good example is the group leader bug which has been there since beta and never fixed.

you would think that a game that focus on group content would fix such an annoying bug right away, but no. they dont do anything.

chances for grouping tool being fixed is close to 0, because they dont give a s..t

Razzak · February 2015

Black_Wolf88 wrote: »

I completely agree. Its stupid how they can ignore vital in game mechanics that is broken and never fix it. the grouping tool is just one of many. another good example is the group leader bug which has been there since beta and never fixed.

you would think that a game that focus on group content would fix such an annoying bug right away, but no. they dont do anything.

chances for grouping tool being fixed is close to 0, because they dont give a s..t

Oh, they will either fix it or introduce some new tool that groups players. Just imagine what the reaction of console players will be, when they find out there's no grouping tool like in any other MMO.
But, sadly, they will probably fix it just in time for console launch.

Bandras · February 2015

Yes, it is still an issue and I guess it will be so for a while.

With the dungeon scaling the whole thing was made a bit more complicated. I still do think, though, that they should be able to create a system that works.

I guess it is not that easy but there are games out there with group finder tools taht will even tell you about when the group is going to be filled.

I would really like to see somethign like that in ESO as well. The sad thing is that it would take a long time for the players to get used to this tool even if it started working from now on.

Alphashado · February 2015

Ya know I never really gave this much thought, but isn't it really going to be a PITA for console players to find groups w/o a group finder because most of them wont' have a keyboard? I mean how do they communicate in-game if they don't have TS or some other brand of Voice chat?

I know this sounds like a noob question, but I've never played an MMO on a console before lol

Aett_Thorn · February 2015

Of course it will be fixed in 1.6! The grouping tool gets fixed in every update! Why should 1.6 be any different?

Doesn't mean that the grouping tool will work, but they'll certainly claim that it works better.

Digiman · February 2015

Rentt wrote: »

wondering if there planning on fixing the grouping tool in 1.6 ?
i didn't see to much about it in the patch notes on PTS.

Currently for me the grouping tool usually just finds 1 person for the group and then stops working this is normally only 1 or 2 times a week and i keep it going trying to find people probably for 2-5 hours a day.

anyone else having better luck with?

You found 1 player!? I can barely get 1 one in 5 hours of game play.

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nope. You need to learn how to find groups without using it.

Cause most people love wasting their game time sitting in a zone just hoping enough people are free enough to form a group. No thanks. Don't like the idea of making a tool to find a group and breaking it and leaving it alone to never get fixed.

Castielle · February 2015

10/10 Would pay for Rift's Grouping System here...

Cas

Razzak · February 2015

Castielle wrote: »

10/10 Would pay for Rift's Grouping System here...

Cas

Agree.
Their idea to put player in a group only after the system has finished looking for the other three players, has backfired on them. Something about it is not working. It's either fix what we have now or give us something like Rift, or some other games, have.
But first, there has to be a desire to do it, and sadly... .

Sharkano · February 2015

The grouping tool is one of the most important features of an MMO. The grouping tool is easy to design (many games have good ones: Aion, L2, etc.) The grouping tool in this game is hopeless and always has been. The grouping tool has never been fixed despite 4 billion posts complaining about it. That summary tell you everything you need to know . . . .

Lord Xanhorn · February 2015

+1 this post. This needs serious attention. This game already suffers from non group friendly design. With so much phasing and chain quests, its gonna be a real turnoff to new players looking for an MMO experience with people when its really hard to play with other players.

Rentt · February 2015

Digiman wrote: »

Rentt wrote: »

wondering if there planning on fixing the grouping tool in 1.6 ?
i didn't see to much about it in the patch notes on PTS.

Currently for me the grouping tool usually just finds 1 person for the group and then stops working this is normally only 1 or 2 times a week and i keep it going trying to find people probably for 2-5 hours a day.

anyone else having better luck with?

You found 1 player!? I can barely get 1 one in 5 hours of game play.

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nope. You need to learn how to find groups without using it.

Cause most people love wasting their game time sitting in a zone just hoping enough people are free enough to form a group. No thanks. Don't like the idea of making a tool to find a group and breaking it and leaving it alone to never get fixed.

Sorry I had to quote whole post still getting used to forum...

Im only finding 1 player for group maybe twice a week that's after playing every night for hours. I don't feel to lucky

Also as someone mentioned playing the console version without a functioning grouping tool would be horrible and i really cant see to many console players hooking up a keyboard just to spam zone chat for weeks.

Razzak · February 2015

We really could use an official input for this. @Gina & Co ... care to comment?

Edit: If not for 1.6, when can we expect some fixes in grouping tool?

Mercutio · February 2015

The poor LFG mechanics are easily the worst part of TESO in my opinion. It would not be so bad if a skill point wasn't the reward for the dungeons. As it is, the completionist in me gets very frustrated, especially at the early levels when every point is so darn crucial. Sitting in Q for hours becomes aggravating and disheartening.

It does not help that I play odd hours or that I may have a very limited window (two hours perhaps) in which to play. Those issues are mine, but a working LFG tool would ease them at least somewhat.

tengri · February 2015

There is nothing to "fix" - that whole design is totally broken and useless for a whole *** year now.
Remove that crap completely and start with a new LFG tool from scratch... apparently the current implementation is broken beyond repair.
Admit it finally and start over.

Razzak · February 2015

tengri wrote: »

There is nothing to "fix" - that whole design is totally broken and useless for a whole *** year now.
Remove that crap completely and start with a new LFG tool from scratch... apparently the current implementation is broken beyond repair.
Admit it finally and start over.

There is a chance it does work, but it needs certain number and/or classes using it at the same time. Maybe there's some other reason, that would easily be tested and explained.
But whatever it is, we would really benefit from official comment on how or if grouping tool works.
When 1.6 started on PTS I asked them if they need any kind of testing done. PTS is there for exactly that kind of reason and they could use players on it, to test any or every kind of combination in order to establish what is really wrong with grouping tool.
Whatever the case, we can't do much alone. Keeping this and other threads about this alive, is essentially the only thing left to us.

felinith66 · February 2015

The console version of the game is a total redesign from the PC one. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a different LFG tool that'll work flawlessly.

AshySamurai · February 2015

Razzak wrote: »

The saddest part is that even though we might agree on grouping tool not working, players not using it and there being an alternative in forms of guilds and chat, there is no official response to when it might get fixed.
I agree that we do have options to make a group, but a working grouping tool is a standard in MMOs, and it should be one in ESO as well. I can understand they've messed something up by changing how it works in 1.5 and it needs to get fixed. I can also understand it could only be fixed by a major overhaul and it would take time. But that is a part of game development.

What I don't understand is how they can continue to ignore multiple threads and posts about a broken system, like that will somehow make it better.
The last serious response in regards to grouping tool was made months ago and it's starting to look like they might not be interested in fixing it at all. Since, their reasoning might be what they see in here. Players using chat and guilds for making groups. Meaning that the players themselves gave them the excuse for not fixing it in the form of: "you don't need it as you have other forms of grouping".

Instead of players uniting in the demand to have a proper grouping tool in addition to what we already have, they go out of their way to shut down those that want it.

What if this situation is not changed when consoles launch?

Agree. Before 1.5 it worked. Sure, it was far from ideal and you was needed to wait, but at least it worked. Since 1.5 I was able to found a group only once. I started to search and forgot about it ^^. Before 1.5 it was very to find a group with this tool, after 1.5 it's just impossible.

And about " how they can continue to ignore multiple threads and posts about a broken system" - pretty easy. They have more important stuff to do like a cash shop costumes and other fluff.

Uviryth · February 2015

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nope. You need to learn how to find groups without using it.

Thats the kind of elitist *** that kills mmo`s

Beesting · February 2015

The last time i used the group finder was when i was vr2 and wanted to take on vet BC, i think it was like 5 months ago

I never even think about it anymore, the trick is to get 100 people on your friendlist that have the same interests as you, like pledges, trials , grinding dolmens or whatever is your kind of content that you need a group for

And they have to be on at around the same time as you wanting to do that content. It is no good having friends that do the pledges at 4 in the afternoon if you log in at 8 in the evening.

Since the pledges came out i have added a steady stream of people to my friendlist and i edit notes next to their name, so i can remember why they are on my list, like good tank or awesome healer, of funny guy that never gives up...
That way i can ask them if we need a tank and they are on their level 8 alt in an other alliance...

So the groupfinder is not missed anymore.
I am a casual player, i hope you will have the same positve experiences as i have had.