Do you think taking away other peoples progression is fair ?

Joejudas · February 2015

Im making a poll because people are upset about this and im tired of people trying to wordsmith this...so its going to a poll. 1.6 on the pts is full of armor nerfs, skill nerfs and actual character nerfs to stats. Do you think that taking away someone elses stats who might be stronger to offer a lower level player a chance to catch up is fair. I will point out the current system on 1.6 is not going to re-balance anything for more than a week or two.

AshySamurai · February 2015

IMO it wouldn't help. I don't mean your poll, I'm talking about CS. It will create a gap between players sooner or later. So, maybe now they "taking away someone elses stats who might be stronger to offer a lower level player a chance to catch up" but casual players still be casual and hardcore players still be hardcore. You know, grinders gonna grind.

Wolfsspinne · February 2015

its fair

I voted "its fair" since I think this is getting ridiculous.

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

i have been trying to tell people that...maybe im a jerk sometimes when i speak...but i mean the facts are facts

tplink3r1 · February 2015

its fair

Well, EVERYONE got "nerfed", sounds fair to me.

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Well, EVERYONE got "nerfed", sounds fair to me.

not everyone was wearing end game raid gear that got a huge nerf.

Wolfsspinne · February 2015

its fair

Joejudas wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Well, EVERYONE got "nerfed", sounds fair to me.

not everyone was wearing end game raid gear that got a huge nerf.

Yet all other sets got nerfed too.

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

not nearly as bad as end game gear did. not even close

Volla · February 2015

The game actually gonna include skills now and some more use for different type of armour. Now all wear light armour all day long because of the benefits from the light tree.

Light armour = Magica Based - no more block forever mode - you actually have l2p
Medium armour = Stamina based - not much blocking - more roll and move
Heavy armour = Tanky - block longer, but not forever.

This is how noobs do in 1.6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfRx_-W29wA

Uviryth · February 2015

its fair

I voted its fair because that answer pisses off the most people. And thats what a poll in a gaming-forum is all about!

gurluasb16_ESO · February 2015

its not fair

I really dislike Nerfs, I'd prefer if others were buffed to catch up instead.

Kaliki · February 2015

its not fair

In what way does this have anything to do with taking away your progression?
Better gear, enchantments and sets don't go away, do they? The stat conversion affects everybody equally, without taking stuff away from certain groups of players, so no, it is not unfair.

I honestly don't mind veteran dungeons and trials becoming a challenge again. Facerolling everything until new content finally comes out would get terribly boring.

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

Kaliki wrote: »

In what way does this have anything to do with taking away your progression?
Better gear, enchantments and sets don't go away, do they? The stat conversion affects everybody equally, without taking stuff away from certain groupls of players, so no, it is not unfair.

I honestly don't mind veteran dungeons and trials becoming a challenge again. Facerolling everything until new content finally comes out would get terribly boring.

yeah they nerfed weapon and jelewry enchantments along with the gear nerfs. its a real mess. Wrath of the imperium went from 10 percent crit to 1 percent. im not saying content should be easy...im saying that taking away our progression in 1.6 pts is wrong. wrong wrong wrong

Kaliki · February 2015

its not fair

But surely this has to be a bug? I know that crit chance on all sets was reduced by 50%, but from 10 to 1% would be insane...

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

Kaliki wrote: »

But surely this has to be a bug? I know that crit chance on all sets was reduced by 50%, but from 10 to 1% would be insane...

and like i posted above....aether went from a total of 8 % to 2 %...and took a nerf on its 5 set trait. its like this for all the end game gear...which is why when you combine that with the skill nerfs and stats nerfs...its very problematic for end game folks. They could fix the gear problem by adding in something else to fill in the lost stats on the armor. my buddy grao posted a great piece on that in the pts section.

Kaliki · February 2015

its not fair

Alright, you've convinced me.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · February 2015

other

I have no idea what progression the post of this poll is claiming is being removed, it seems just a whine from someone who thinks big numberz per se are meaningful .. in the absence of ant concrete examples I presume he simply wants to retain his OPness.

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

Kaliki wrote: »

Alright, you've convinced me.

its all on the pts. Im just tired of people telling me that its reasonable i lose character progress....i figured we should have a poll and put it to a vote. if someone thinks its fair thats their opinion.

Wolfsspinne · February 2015

its fair

Joejudas wrote: »

So stats got multiplied by 10 while crit-percentages got devided by 2.
That happened to ALL sets.

The values of enchantments were decreased for ALL tiers.

So it's only the gloves that have changed:
(which by the way are VR12, not max level gear!!)

1. Halved Spell Crit and Doubled Spell Damage.
Sounds like an OK change to me.

2. Halved armor reduction on the proc thing.
This is the only nerf you got here. Having in mind that the gloves are VR12 not VR14 this might be a nerf in order to decrease their efficiency down to VR12.
So you have to get some fency VR14 gloves.

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

I have no idea what progression the post of this poll is claiming is being removed, it seems just a whine from someone who thinks big numberz per se are meaningful .. in the absence of ant concrete examples I presume he simply wants to retain his OPness.

i posted a picture as a small example above. spend 10 minutes in the pts and tell me im wrong.

Muizer · February 2015

its not fair

Of course it's not fair. If that's what it takes to make a better balanced game though, so be it. It wouldn't be fair to make the many suffer for the few either.

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

Wolfsspinne wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

So stats got multiplied by 10 while crit-percentages got devided by 2.
That happened to ALL sets.

The values of enchantments were decreased for ALL tiers.

So it's only the gloves that have changed:
(which by the way are VR12, not max level gear!!)

1. Halved Spell Crit and Doubled Spell Damage.
Sounds like an OK change to me.

2. Halved armor reduction on the proc thing.
This is the only nerf you got here. Having in mind that the gloves are VR12 not VR14 this might be a nerf in order to decrease their efficiency down to VR12.
So you have to get some fency VR14 gloves.

dont be silly it wasnt only the gloves that changed and you know that

Joejudas · February 2015

its not fair

Muizer wrote: »

Of course it's not fair. If that's what it takes to make a better balanced game though, so be it. It wouldn't be fair to make the many suffer for the few either.

at the expense of other people its awful. did our 10 months of paid subs not matter ?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · February 2015

other

Joejudas wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

I have no idea what progression the post of this poll is claiming is being removed, it seems just a whine from someone who thinks big numberz per se are meaningful .. in the absence of ant concrete examples I presume he simply wants to retain his OPness.

i posted a picture as a small example above. spend 10 minutes in the pts and tell me im wrong.

I saw it, I don't think progression means what you think it means. Per se the changes to that item mean nothing, it's the effect the changes have, in total, on the game as a whole that matters.

And I repeat, if you're OP now I understand why you're unhappy, but the health of the game matters a damned sight more than not upsetting a few who prefer to rant than adapt.

mandrakethebard_ESO · February 2015

its fair

I disagree with the manner in which you represent the information in your poll. What you're actually asking is... "do people think the changes made to gear, skills, and stats in v1.6 is fair?"

I haven't checked out all of the details yet so there might be a change that isn't going to work out as intended, but these changes have been made to bring characters into better balance, and that's always a good thing. I think that this sort of complaint is usually made by those who have been enjoying being far-and-away more powerful than those around them, and then find themselves only *somewhat* better off than those who haven't been able to get the same equipment and benefits that they enjoy.

My opinion... more balanced is preferable. I don't care how much grind and power-game you've put into your character, you shouldn't have capabilities that are outrageous in comparison to other characters. That just makes the game boring for you and extraordinarily unpleasant for others.

BTW, I just went back and checked out that posted video in a previous comment... definitely something hinky there that needs to be addressed, that's an outrageous amount of damage, but I'd say that's something that is not working as intended.

Wolfsspinne · February 2015

its fair

Joejudas wrote: »

Wolfsspinne wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

So stats got multiplied by 10 while crit-percentages got devided by 2.
That happened to ALL sets.

The values of enchantments were decreased for ALL tiers.

So it's only the gloves that have changed:
(which by the way are VR12, not max level gear!!)

1. Halved Spell Crit and Doubled Spell Damage.
Sounds like an OK change to me.

2. Halved armor reduction on the proc thing.
This is the only nerf you got here. Having in mind that the gloves are VR12 not VR14 this might be a nerf in order to decrease their efficiency down to VR12.
So you have to get some fency VR14 gloves.

dont be silly it wasnt only the gloves that changed and you know that

There are other changes, yes, but those are all in line with the following policy:
- newStats = oldStats * 10
- newCrit% = oldCrit% / 2
- simplified enchantments: only one enchantment value per enchantment tier
(before there were two different values per enchantment tier)*
- enchantments have decreased values

* Not sure about this. It is not in the patch notes but I thought I've read it in some 1.6 related article.

Alphashado · February 2015

its fair

lol this thread is too funny. I've been trying to explain all of this to @Joejudas for the better part of 24 hours now and all I will say to you guys is... Good Luck

Lord_Kreegan · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

its all on the pts. Im just tired of people telling me that its reasonable i lose character progress....i figured we should have a poll and put it to a vote. if someone thinks its fair thats their opinion.

Put it to a vote? And that accomplishes what?

Are you a major stockholder? Nope.
Are you a developer? Nope.
Are you a corporate bigwig? Nope.
Are a couple hundred comments (if you get that many) by forum-goers going to influence ZOS? Highly doubtful.

So, if your "vote" has no impact on anything, what's the point?

You state: "...if someone thinks its fair thats their opinion..."

Of course it is; so what's the point of the poll?

Nihil · February 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

Kaliki wrote: »

In what way does this have anything to do with taking away your progression?
Better gear, enchantments and sets don't go away, do they? The stat conversion affects everybody equally, without taking stuff away from certain groupls of players, so no, it is not unfair.

I honestly don't mind veteran dungeons and trials becoming a challenge again. Facerolling everything until new content finally comes out would get terribly boring.

yeah they nerfed weapon and jelewry enchantments along with the gear nerfs. its a real mess. Wrath of the imperium went from 10 percent crit to 1 percent. im not saying content should be easy...im saying that taking away our progression in 1.6 pts is wrong. wrong wrong wrong

this example you gives I think shows more that it is a bug rather then intended ( at least for the imperium). I would say raid gears 1 % crit rate at purple is probably also a bug ( it is 2 % at gold from what people have checked on the templates).

The decrease to the % in armor reduction might fall more inline with them also increase armor on pve mobs. I believe that in 1.6 a gm said that armor/ spell resistence was going to be increased on mobs to make it more inline with players. So a lower % might still yield a greater increase in damage, don't know anyone who used the 5 set in pvp so I don't think it will change much there.

Muizer · February 2015

its not fair

Joejudas wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

Of course it's not fair. If that's what it takes to make a better balanced game though, so be it. It wouldn't be fair to make the many suffer for the few either.

at the expense of other people its awful. did our 10 months of paid subs not matter ?

It's a choice between two evils, and I suppose you can hold ZoS responsible for getting us into a situation where such a choice is apparently necessary.

Edit: to add a personal perspective: My first (and so far only) v14 was a bit of a "specialist". I realised 4 or 5 months back that that probably was a mistake, because even then nothing that worked was certain to keep working, and once out of content to level it's hard to change course. That certainly applied to abilities, and if now it applies to gear as well that doesn't surprise me. Adaptability/versatility at character level too is, apparently, a virtue in this game.

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