Do you think taking away other peoples progression is fair ?

Rescorla_ESO

its fair

What progress did the OP lose? Did your guild have the trials, Dragonstar Arena and Sanctum Ophidia on farm status on live and can now no longer complete them on PTS? Have you even tried to run endgame content on PTS to verify you can't beat raid bosses you already had on farm status on the live server?

RSram

its not fair

I think that the logic behind all the nerfing is that ZOS gave all the VR players CP based on their XP earned over those who haven't reached VR yet, so they expect those with the CP to spend them in the constellation tree to make up for all the nerfing.

It also seems to me that this nerfing was done to give the casual player a chance to compete with the hard core players -- which I disagree with!

I put a lot of time in this game since beta, but I am not even close to the skill levels as the hardcore players; The only thing I don't suck at is crafting, but that was my choice, I spent a lot of time crafting instead of during PVP, Veteran Dungeon, etc -- my choice!

The game shouldn't change to make me more competitive with the hard core players, I'm the one who should change, not the game, if I want to be more competitive in this game.

This liberal social engineering needs to stop. You want to be as could as the hard core players then put in the same effort and time as they did; You can't put in the same amount of time due to work, marriage, and other commitments?

"Welcome to the real world - Neo!"

firstdecan

its fair

They're rebooting the game. Your reward for the paid beta is that you get to keep your character in ESO 2.0. The game is now F2P, expect the quality to be commensurate with the financial model.

ben_ESO5

other

Voted other, because there wasn't a choice for "if I see another post about what is fair, I'm going to puke".

eliisra wrote: »

I'm not really seeing how ZoS is taking away my progression?

My war rank and alliance passives, all my capped characters, dyes, hard earned achievements and grinded guild passives are still there in 1.6.

Changes to gear, mechanics and class skills are natural parts of all MMO's. In most games gear even becomes obsolete once or twice a year, with a new raid or dungeon clusters being released. Same with FotM builds and skills, stuff changes with patches and updates. So you adapt.

I mean gear or effective builds, it's not a measure of characters progression. It never lasts long enough to fit into that category. It's merely short term tools to achieve progression, like beating a HM raid boss.

This, a thousand times over.

Oh, but you might want to stop using logic and reason, they have no place on the forums, and will harm your forum progression -- hysteria and drama are used to level here!

nickro24prb19_ESO

Lord_Kreegan wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

its all on the pts. Im just tired of people telling me that its reasonable i lose character progress....i figured we should have a poll and put it to a vote. if someone thinks its fair thats their opinion.

Put it to a vote? And that accomplishes what?

Are you a major stockholder? Nope.
Are you a developer? Nope.
Are you a corporate bigwig? Nope.
Are a couple hundred comments (if you get that many) by forum-goers going to influence ZOS? Highly doubtful.

So, if your "vote" has no impact on anything, what's the point?

You state: "...if someone thinks its fair thats their opinion..."

Of course it is; so what's the point of the poll?

Rejecting the claims of a perceived irrational person is at its core an irrational action, because the person’s perceived status neither proves nor disproves his claims. In other words, do not reject the claims of a person based on his social status.

Moving on, I agree that these polls are completely pointless, given that one expects to make decisions based on the data provided by one. The reason is simple:
1) The people participating in studies (polls) on this forum represent a non-random sample (see sampling bias in the link below) of the population.
2) Sampling bias undermines the external validity.
3) External validity is the extent to which the results of a study can be generalized to the rest of the population.

Thus,
4) The conclusion based on a study with low external validity is not accurate.

If a conclusion is not accurate, it cannot be trusted. The developers know this, and they would never make decisions based on a study with low external validity. Thus, unless motivated by other factors than for decision making (such as fun inspired ones), creating polls on this forum is completely (as in 100%) pointless. Also, participating in them exhibits an irrational behaviour, because it is an action that requires resources (time and energy) which does not provide any gains.

Sampling bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias

Joejudas

its not fair

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

What progress did the OP lose? Did your guild have the trials, Dragonstar Arena and Sanctum Ophidia on farm status on live and can now no longer complete them on PTS? Have you even tried to run endgame content on PTS to verify you can't beat raid bosses you already had on farm status on the live server?

Yes we have and it's a nerf....have you logged into the PTS ?

Joejudas

its not fair

1.6 is a disaster...and more people need to understand what we mean when we warn against this system before this hits live

hanilvor

its fair

With the champion system either the gear and/or some skills had to be nerfed or mobs buffed. I think we can all agree faceroll content is not fun.

kijima

Love this thread, 1 awesome and 20 lols for the OP, it'll be 21 when I'm done typing this.

Love your poll options too, basically anyone that wants to tick NO and disagree can't, because of the 'engineered' poll options. You could tick 'other' or 'not sure' or 'don't care' but you'll look like an apathetic d1ckhead if you do.

Nice... I like it when surveys try to make my decisions for me.

Do you think taking away other peoples progression is fair ?

1. its fair
2. its not fair
3. not sure
4. other
5. dont care

^ Talk about a loaded poll...