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nerevarine1138 · February 2015

RedTalon wrote: »

There goal will be console after June, wouldn't surprise me if pc gets shut down come x-mas.

But what they have said is basically they won't be able to keep the same pace of updates they did in 2014, which given that pace most are expecting the next update to be fall or very end of the year.

Well, that's a new one. Now we're totally dropping the PC version (for no reason).

Why not just go all in and claim that ZO is going to engineer a nuclear war between India and Pakistan in order to shift attention away from the late updates?

Aevric · February 2015

"No updates" is not the same thing as "no DLC".
You can count on DLC and store items being released for cash at quick intervals.

Elsonso · February 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Well, that's a new one. Now we're totally dropping the PC version (for no reason).

Why not just go all in and claim that ZO is going to engineer a nuclear war between India and Pakistan in order to shift attention away from the late updates?

That's crazy talk. They are in secret meetings with the Illuminati, but it is nothing to do with India and Pakistan.

They have no reason to shut down the PC servers. We are the only experienced testers that they have. Sheesh, people, if you are going to post stuff like this, at least think it through.

Soulshine · February 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

There goal will be console after June, wouldn't surprise me if pc gets shut down come x-mas.

But what they have said is basically they won't be able to keep the same pace of updates they did in 2014, which given that pace most are expecting the next update to be fall or very end of the year.

Well, that's a new one. Now we're totally dropping the PC version (for no reason).

Why not just go all in and claim that ZO is going to engineer a nuclear war between India and Pakistan in order to shift attention away from the late updates?

RedTalon · February 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

There goal will be console after June, wouldn't surprise me if pc gets shut down come x-mas.

But what they have said is basically they won't be able to keep the same pace of updates they did in 2014, which given that pace most are expecting the next update to be fall or very end of the year.

Well, that's a new one. Now we're totally dropping the PC version (for no reason).

Why not just go all in and claim that ZO is going to engineer a nuclear war between India and Pakistan in order to shift attention away from the late updates?

You took that out of context by a lot, said it wouldn't surpise, not that they said that lol.

But +1 lols.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content]

Stravokov · February 2015

im not gonna pay anymore once this game goes BTP. if they want my money, they will have to actually work for it and offer "actual" content. not this adding too, or reworking Existing content/systems.

The DLC's better be priced fairly and offer allot of content. now if they want our money they will have to earn it.

honestly though they should just sell the game to a studio that knows what they are doing. because at this point it is clear to me ZOS hasnt got a clue.

Gidorick · February 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Edit: Oops wrong thread... Forget this post :P

...that you said?

starkerealm · February 2015

born2beagator wrote: »

Is this true? I thought we had two new zones coming out? Have those been canned

No, they said they were focusing on the console release. Once 1.6 hits, there won't be any new updates until after June. It's reasonable they'll want Wrothgar as day one DLC on the console, though... that's speculation.

As far as I know 1.7 is still slated for 2015.

starkerealm · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Edit: Oops wrong thread... Forget this post :P

...that you said?

Probably this.

@dduke

Gidorick · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Edit: Oops wrong thread... Forget this post :P

...that you said?

Probably this.

@dduke

Well that wasn't very exciting.

starkerealm · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Edit: Oops wrong thread... Forget this post :P

...that you said?

Probably this.

@dduke

Well that wasn't very exciting.

Is it bad I read that in Andy Serkis' Golum voice?

kongkim · February 2015

No one here know when new update will come out. You all are guessing noting more. So OP don't listen to then wait till ZoS say something.

cavakthestampede · February 2015

I'm lazy and won't track down the video or AMA, BUT I think it was on the most recent Reddit that they do not plan to have any additional major content updates until post-console launch.

So, they will probably have minor Crown Store updates, bug fix patches, changes to group tools, Craglorn, champion system tweaks etc.

I imagine that the moment July hits there will be content launched along the lines of Wrothgar or Spellcrafting or both, to give new shiny things to the console launch and have a strong start.

Spottswoode · February 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

There goal will be console after June, wouldn't surprise me if pc gets shut down come x-mas.

But what they have said is basically they won't be able to keep the same pace of updates they did in 2014, which given that pace most are expecting the next update to be fall or very end of the year.

Well, that's a new one. Now we're totally dropping the PC version (for no reason).

Why not just go all in and claim that ZO is going to engineer a nuclear war between India and Pakistan in order to shift attention away from the late updates?

Seconded. Honestly, I don't know what there is to take out of context.
They MUST slow down the pace of development in order to maintain and continue development for the cash shop. The cash shop will now and forever more be a priority for the game's future development. Content development will now and forever be secondary to cash shop at best. The reason for this is simple: the cash shop is how they plan to make money in the long run. This is also why it doesn't make sense to discontinue service for pc gamers. The cash shop WILL make money. Expanding the list of people who will play increases the number of people likelihood of people who will pay for items in the cash becoming regular purchasers. "Regular purchasers" account for an overwhelming amount of the income from cash shops, despite the fact they are a severe minority. Cutting off a platform when it will inevitably pay for itself is kind of stupid.

Bouvin · February 2015

born2beagator wrote: »

So what they have said IN JANUARY is "This game is dead for the rest of the year.

So we can't justify charging subs cause we know we'd just lose em all.

So now you don't have to pay a sub, but hey here's a new CP system to endlessly grind and "boosters" you can buy in the cash shop.

Cause you know..well the cash shop is easier for our developers to do stuff for than creating actual content. Which we aren't good at anyways because we haven't released any since Craglorn.

ZOS out.

rawne1980b16_ESO · February 2015

PR speak from ZOS is that updates will slow down. Surprisingly we've got people playing this game that eat PR speak like it's chocolate cookies and believe everything they hear from ZOS.

Whether we will see any updates this year or not I don't know.

What I do know is I won't have to pay to play so i'm not all that bothered.

cazlonb16_ESO · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

It's reasonable they'll want Wrothgar as day one DLC on the console, though... that's speculation.

Reasonable ? That would be absolutely nonsensical from a business standpoint. Console players will have the entire "old" content to chew through and there'd be little incentive for them to buy Wrothgar at that point.

As far as we can tell, there'll be few DLCs of the size of an entire zone and it would be a much smarter decision to push Wrothgar as a major content update a couple months after console release, maybe towards the Christmas season.

Mathius_Mordred · February 2015

They actually said:

....and our future update pace will focus more on new adventures and game experiences than system changes. It's time to let the game breathe a little - we've done so many new features so quickly that we want to make sure everyone is on the same page with us. 1.6 alone has a complete rebalancing of most player abilities - we don't want to do that again

Consoles it is fair to say, outnumber PCs, they are hoping to shift a lot of games to the console market. Now the console customers can be just as religious in their following of a game as PC users, they are going to want to see regular updates to the game. The bolded part of the quote states that this is indeed what they are working on now, focusing more on new adventures and game experiences, rather than any major system changes.

To me this would be the opposite of the OP's expectation and as is so often on these boards and every other MMO forum the fear mongers and those prone to panic attacks are first to shriek doom and gloom,

1.6 is a very major re-engineering of the game across all systems and apart from minor tweaks this is not likely to change for some time. Content however is absolutely necessary to keep players on all formats interested in the game.

Furthermore, they are likely only to receive income from the large console base if and when they release DLCs, it stands to reason and common sense that these DLCs will be as frequent as possible so as to increase their income. Don't forget that with the regular sub income dropping off they need to offset this, the way they will do that is by regular DLCs.

My personal view is that the consoles will be out no more than 3 months before the first major content release, and I have suspicions that they may even have one ready for release much sooner than that.

We will see, but ZOS has switched from a regular sub income to a B2P income, I doubt the crown store will be enough, they will require the larger $20+ purchases that only DLCs can offer.

Sarielis · February 2015

I think after console release their will be 2 dlcs released before the end of the year

Tankqull · February 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Bloodfang wrote: »

Road Ahead should be up in a few days.

Consoles are launching in June, so expect many DLCs between July-December.

Yeah. No idea where people got the idea that there were no updates until the end of the year. That's never been said.

they said there will be no content updates till console release [only needed fixes for the existing], wich is 7 of june or juli [don´t care about consoles^^]. from a marketing point you do not threw a full price DLC [new content/zones] at new customers on top of the +80-100€/$ buying fee for the game itself of around 20-40 €/$ - wich would just increase the innitial paywall creating bad reviews and reduced revenues.

so to make it short no content till console release including no DLCs [innitial pay wall for new customers] + 3-5 months letting them chew through the existing content and you end up in september to december before you can expect any new content at all.

Bloodfang · February 2015

Sarielis wrote: »

I think after console release their will be 2 dlcs released before the end of the year

DLCs won't be as big as the "Updates" we used to know..expect to see many and very expensive..

Esha76 · February 2015

"ESO Forums: You will never find a more wretched hive of speculation and fabrication. We must be cautious."

Razzak · February 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

There goal will be console after June, wouldn't surprise me if pc gets shut down come x-mas.

But what they have said is basically they won't be able to keep the same pace of updates they did in 2014, which given that pace most are expecting the next update to be fall or very end of the year.

Well, that's a new one. Now we're totally dropping the PC version (for no reason).

Why not just go all in and claim that ZO is going to engineer a nuclear war between India and Pakistan in order to shift attention away from the late updates?

Considering ZOS is an American company and one of their presidents did something similar years ago, just to shift focus of US citizens away from his "oral satisfaction" by his employee, it is a thought worth considering.

@OP: It depends what you consider an update to be. There will definitely not be many new things (if any at all) added to the game that will not be a part of cash shop.
There will probably be one DLC, but what that will contain is something even ZOS doesn't know at this time. It will largely depend on how buggy console launch is, how many copies of ESO they will sell after it goes B2P and how much pressure by the players there will be on them.
B2P transition and console launch will be two most important changes that will affect everything ZOS does.

starkerealm · February 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

from a marketing point you do not threw a full price DLC [new content/zones] at new customers on top of the +80-100€/$ buying fee for the game itself of around 20-40 €/$ - wich would just increase the innitial paywall creating bad reviews and reduced revenues.

Quick! Warn EA and Ubisoft... oh, too late.

So, yeah, Wrothgar hitting on June 7th is actually not that much of an outside bet. Bethesda doesn't have a huge track record with Day One DLC, but ESO did have the extra mount up front, and it wouldn't surprise me if they're willing to see if they can chase after the big publishers on that front.

EQBallzz · February 2015

cavakthestampede wrote: »

I'm lazy and won't track down the video or AMA, BUT I think it was on the most recent Reddit that they do not plan to have any additional major content updates until post-console launch.

So, they will probably have minor Crown Store updates, bug fix patches, changes to group tools, Craglorn, champion system tweaks etc.

I imagine that the moment July hits there will be content launched along the lines of Wrothgar or Spellcrafting or both, to give new shiny things to the console launch and have a strong start.

Did you watch the recent ESO Live? They flat out said they weren't even working on Spellcrafting anymore because they are too busy with 1.6 and console release. If they are too busy for Spellcrafting it's not a huge leap to assume they are too busy for Wrothgar or anything else. We will be lucky to see new playable content before the end of the year which is a very long stretch of no new content for PC players.

MornaBaine · February 2015

Since they have pretty much said, "We ain't givin' you jack til our precious console release is not only out but we spend months falling all over ourselves taking care of IT and not you whiny PC old timers we no longer care about," there really ISN'T any reason to maintain a sub until after the first DLC drops...which is looking to be nearly a year away. If they actually DO hope to maintain any subs at all they better be making some juicy announcements with da quickness. Like about a bajillion AWESOME loyalty rewards that are explained in detail for those who remain subbed from the time the game goes B2P to the time the first DLC drops. And I'm not talking just some lame pets. Because otherwise, it makes exactly ZERO sense to maintain your sub once the games goes B2P.

Tankqull · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

from a marketing point you do not threw a full price DLC [new content/zones] at new customers on top of the +80-100€/$ buying fee for the game itself of around 20-40 €/$ - wich would just increase the innitial paywall creating bad reviews and reduced revenues.

Quick! Warn EA and Ubisoft... oh, too late.

So, yeah, Wrothgar hitting on June 7th is actually not that much of an outside bet. Bethesda doesn't have a huge track record with Day One DLC, but ESO did have the extra mount up front, and it wouldn't surprise me if they're willing to see if they can chase after the big publishers on that front.

wrothgar will not be a <10$ DLC [in most cases not even 5$] as those EA and Ubisoft DLCs offerd at game releases.

Wizzo91 · February 2015

My prediction:

Eso will die as a MMO in this year. No more new group content, no more new trials or dungeons. Just solo zones where you can quest with your friends -> Skyrim Online for the console crowd.

I except spellcrafting and Imperial City will not be released this year - if ever. Those were the two content updates I was looking forward to most.

Alone that the new solo zones will scale to your level shows you were the road is heading.

ESO failed as a MMO - it is simple.

Rydik · February 2015

Wrothgar, spell crafting ? What you are talking about? We still waiting for IC and removing of Vet levels at least...

TheLaw · February 2015

It was a mistake to release this MMO on multiple platforms when they don't have the resources/manpower to stabilize the PC version. I wouldn't be surprised to see little if any new content.