single target dps

kungmoo · January 2015

So I cant get anyone to answer when I ask in zone, so thought I would just ask here and see if I have better luck.

What kind of single target dps are you getting? list Class and stam/magicka spec please (FTC does work on pts btw if you enable out of date addons)

Templar magicka dps = 8-10k
Templar 2h stam = 9-12k

Cody · January 2015

ill switch on the add-on next time im on and let ya know:)

im sure its not high. lol

DeLindsay · January 2015

astal360b14_ESO wrote: »

So I cant get anyone to answer when I ask in zone, so thought I would just ask here and see if I have better luck.

What kind of single target dps are you getting? list Class and stam/magicka spec please

Templar magicka dps = 8-10k
Templar 2h stam = 9-12k

Quite reasonable taking the x10 scaling into effect. Granted not everything scaled by x10 but most stats are close to that, except Health ofc.

kungmoo · January 2015

main thing I want to know is what other classes are getting
that way I know if that's even comparable or if its well below what other classes get.... but everyone seems afraid to say what they are getting

Khivas_Carrick · January 2015

Depends on what happens in the fight, but if I'm undisturbed and focused purely on killing, my stamina Templar easily nets 9k, maybe 10k if my god damn weapon pots would work and return stamina to me.

Oh yea if you use Rally or anything else that gives Major Brutality or Savagery, the pots don't proc at all, i.e no stam.

DeLindsay · January 2015

I will test NB here in a little bit and edit this post to show my results, but I'm no where close to a "top DPS" NB, I'm a much better Healer/Tank than DPS if I'm being honest.

EDIT: I managed 8496 with Siphoning Attacks on against the World Boss at Nilata Falls in Bangkorai (my VR10 Zone) He has 186K Health. I was having pretty serious issues LA weaving with the new Fire Destro animation so that's part of it. I didn't use VoB at all and no Spell pots either, although I had to use 1 Tri-Pot near the end when he almost killed me. I couldn't keep my DPS up without having SA on even using a pot as my Magicka just depletes too fast but I was well over 10K for a while. My stats for reference:

**ZERO Points spent in the Champion System**
The Thief Mundus
3pc Willows (Leg), 2pc Adroitness, 2pc Cyrodiil Light, 4pc Twilight's Embrace
Magicka: 23,871 (VR5 Mag/Health food)
Spell Damage: 1364 (SA on, 1748 without it)
Spell Crit: 800.5% (no joke that's what it says lol... iirc it's actually like 31.5%)

Build was:

Inner Light (only gives 10% Crit now)
Siphoning Attacks
Crushing Shock
Crippling Grasp (rolled within reason)
Impale (used during execute)

I had much worse results trying the old FunnelBlade build against the same WB, only managing 6166 DPS and I even used VoB on that fight. The Fire Destro staff animation is making LA weaving ( I actually do slightly charged Heavy atks) difficult for me at least. Against the VR5 Mammoths I couldn't honestly say because they'd die in like 4 seconds.

kungmoo · January 2015

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Depends on what happens in the fight, but if I'm undisturbed and focused purely on killing, my stamina Templar easily nets 9k, maybe 10k if my god damn weapon pots would work and return stamina to me.

Oh yea if you use Rally or anything else that gives Major Brutality or Savagery, the pots don't proc at all, i.e no stam.

I just popped tri-pots to keep my stam up since you get the major savagery from momentum and the crit buff from evil hunter (which works on every mob now btw, not just daedra/undead, just has a lower proc chance and the crit from it works all the time)

no real point in the crafted stam/crit/weapon damage pots now for a 2h spec

sadly doing that makes Radiant Aura useless also for us Templars... since the regen buffs from the potions last 25 seconds with the alchemy passives and gives the same stam/health regen plus the 30% magicka regen that the skill doesn't have

Kerioko · January 2015

As a NB stam I do 10-12K sustain with poison injection, wecking blow + heavy attack clips and executioner to finish....rally and reapers mark before fight.

Burst, I can drop a 56K mammoth in 3.1 sec with wrecking blow from stealth(30K) + Incapacitating Strike (15K) + Executioner (15K)

Running argonian NB with 24K health and 20K stam 2900 weapon dmg and 40% crit!

Teargrants · January 2015

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Oh yea if you use Rally or anything else that gives Major Brutality or Savagery, the pots don't proc at all, i.e no stam.

I believe zos's stance is along the lines of "tripots or gtfo". At lest that's what I'm led to believe with other pots being unusable if you have one of the buffs active from something else.

CasNation · January 2015

Sorcerer here. I was testing on mammoths and trolls in Eastmarch.

2H stam build: 8-10k DPS (no stealth opener, no pots, no ultimates)

Destro Crushing shock + Destructive reach Build: 5-7k DPS

Stam build gear: 5 piece Ophidian, 3 peice Hundings, 3 piece Advancing Yokeda.

Magicka gear: 5 piece Warlock's, 3 piece Twilight's Embrace, 3 piece Aether

I was just using one bar for each build, so no DOTs from other sources than those I stated.

Stam Bar: Wrecking Blow, Executioner, Rally, Evil Hunter, Bound Armaments.
Magicka Bar: Destructive Reach, Endless Fury, Crushing Shock, Entropy, Inner Light.

Part of my problem is that all of my crit sets that I had stacked no longer add nearly as much crit with all the nerfs to crit sources, especially Advancing Yokeda (14% down to about 6% crit IF you keep it stacked). I will probably try and acquire some solid weapon damage gear and focus less on crit chance given this and the nerf to crit surge.

Kerioko · January 2015

33K burst dps seems a little OP...sustain is nice at 10K, but 2-3 shots to kill mammoths and giants seems a little much!

Feidam · January 2015

I'm guessing you opened from stealth with wrecking blow. That skill needs some serious down tuning, if everything stays as is. Way too much damage on an opener.

Kerioko · January 2015

wrecking blow from stealth hits about 25K avg

Khivas_Carrick · January 2015

So what I'm reading here is:

Price if tri-pots are going to skyrocket if they haven't already.

All the classes are somehow close to each other in DPS

Nightblades might actually be the best DPS tired only with DKs.

I miss anything?

Kerioko · January 2015

NB's can't survive like DK's though!

DeLindsay · January 2015

Alright I retested using Evil Hunter and NB's new ability Relentless Focus on the same WB (I also like an idiot had no Passives talented into Light Armor before) and was sitting at a comfortable 10.8K DPS. Granted even with 186K that WB dies too quickly to be a true test and I didn't use Siphoning Attacks so OOM'd when the boss got to ~20% Health so had to full heavy a couple to get Magicka back.

ssewallb14_ESO · January 2015

Magicka based Templar w/ destro staff: 7.5-8k
1.4k 1.5 DK Fire Mage build slightly tweaked: 9.5-10.k

Tests vs VR9 lonely papa

astal360b14_ESO wrote: »

Templar magicka dps = 8-10k

Ok, so apparently I'm doing it wrong. What's your loadout if you don't mind me asking?

s7732425ub17_ESO · January 2015

DeLindsay wrote: »

Alright I retested using Evil Hunter and NB's new ability Relentless Focus on the same WB (I also like an idiot had no Passives talented into Light Armor before) and was sitting at a comfortable 10.8K DPS. Granted even with 186K that WB dies too quickly to be a true test and I didn't use Siphoning Attacks so OOM'd when the boss got to ~20% Health so had to full heavy a couple to get Magicka back.

I use that world boss as one of my main DPS testing spots as well. With a Sorc crushing shock rotation with stats similar to yours, I'll average 6.5k. With two pets out, I'll hit 8k. I still think Sorc can get higher than this, but I need to figure out gear and the best morphs for everything.

kungmoo · January 2015

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Magicka based Templar w/ destro staff: 7.5-8k
1.4k 1.5 DK Fire Mage build slightly tweaked: 9.5-10.k

Tests vs VR9 lonely papa

astal360b14_ESO wrote: »

Templar magicka dps = 8-10k

Ok, so apparently I'm doing it wrong. What's your loadout if you don't mind me asking?

vampire's bane, puncturing strikes, power of the light, entropy, radiant oppression

entropy to keep the 20% spell damage buff up (only refreshing this every 3 rotations) > PotL > vamp bane > puncturing strikes x3 and repeat till 50%, then radiant oppression instead of biting jabs till it dies.... light attack weaving between of course (except between puncturing strikes, the ICD on that skill seems to be lower than live and it seems to be a dps loss to light attack between them, though im still testing that)

gear atm is 5 piece seducer (heavy) and 5 piece warlock most of the time.... though im sure that will end up changing.. its just what I have on hand for testing purposes

I expect the dps to actually be higher now that I have noticed Radiant Oppression works below 50%... I thought it was like a regular execute and did the extra damage in the 25% range... just need to find a group now and try it out on something that lasts longer than 3 seconds

so after a bit more testing/tweaking, dps did go up a bit more

Nomeg Hyril (20.2s) - 191,416 Total Damage (9489.2 DPS) with magicka build, no ult or pots or evil hunter

ssewallb14_ESO · January 2015

astal360b14_ESO wrote: »

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Magicka based Templar w/ destro staff: 7.5-8k
1.4k 1.5 DK Fire Mage build slightly tweaked: 9.5-10.k

Tests vs VR9 lonely papa

astal360b14_ESO wrote: »

Templar magicka dps = 8-10k

Ok, so apparently I'm doing it wrong. What's your loadout if you don't mind me asking?

vampire's bane, puncturing strikes, power of the light, entropy, radiant oppression

entropy to keep the 20% spell damage buff up (only refreshing this every 3 rotations) > PotL > vamp bane > puncturing strikes x3 and repeat till 50%, then radiant oppression instead of biting jabs till it dies.... light attack weaving between of course (except between puncturing strikes, the ICD on that skill seems to be lower than live and it seems to be a dps loss to light attack between them, though im still testing that)

gear atm is 5 piece seducer (heavy) and 5 piece warlock most of the time.... though im sure that will end up changing.. its just what I have on hand for testing purposes

I expect the dps to actually be higher now that I have noticed Radiant Oppression works below 50%... I thought it was like a regular execute and did the extra damage in the 25% range... just need to find a group now and try it out on something that lasts longer than 3 seconds

so after a bit more testing/tweaking, dps did go up a bit more

Nomeg Hyril (20.2s) - 191,416 Total Damage (9489.2 DPS) with magicka build, no ult or pots or evil hunter

Thanks, I'm now up to 11k vs lonely papa. I ditched the destro and swapped crushing shock/weakness to elements with puncturing strikes/entropy, which gets me the same skill set as you. I'm also dropping a meteor at the beginning of the fight after entropy. I had tried entropy with destro+weave as well and still got around 8k. It seems like that burning light proc and piercing spear make quite a difference.

Also he doesn't survive the potl during the execute phase, I'll have to try this against something that can survive the execute rotation.

Nybling · January 2015

Magicka-based Sorc. 12,235.32.

DeLindsay · January 2015

Finally think I've figured out my true Crit value, 48.1% (with Thief, without the 12% in The Apprentice, or the higher value of Aether). So once Players get the additional 20 pts in the Champion System it looks like Crit will be higher than it is on Live. DPS should end up being higher overall for all Classes after scaling.

Khivas_Carrick · January 2015

I'm getting around 9k per fight as long as I'm not interrupted from my attacking, and if I pot I get around 10k, which for me works, idk about you guys

Merlin13KAGL · January 2015

DeLindsay wrote: »

Spell Crit: 800.5% (no joke that's what it says lol... iirc it's actually like 31.5%)

@DeLindsay‌ , if you have one of the Harven's addons (Softcap/extended stats), they don't show the Crit %'s correctly.

Check, disable, reloadui

DeLindsay · January 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Spell Crit: 800.5% (no joke that's what it says lol... iirc it's actually like 31.5%)

@DeLindsay‌ , if you have one of the Harven's addons (Softcap/extended stats), they don't show the Crit %'s correctly.

Check, disable, reloadui

Yeah I figured that out last night, disabled it and after actually talenting everything in Light Armor I sit at a respectable 48.1% with The Thief, but no Aether or Cyro buffs. That means once I get the additional 20 pts to get the 12% Spell Crit passive I'll have MORE Crit than I do on Live with the same build.