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Pay to get level V14
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BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
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Yet both cheesy, and (imo) against the spirit of the game. Both fit the exact same requirements for being listed as a "convenience" item as well:
Nothing that isn't already attainable.
Shortens the length of time needed to acquire a goal.
Players aren't required to use the store to reach the same goal.
Different enough that they are marketed for different desires? Sure. Different enough to prevent either or both from fitting the current definition of what can be put in the store as "convenience"? Nope.Edited by BBSooner on January 29, 2015 10:20PM1 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭since it will take 6 years based on the amount it takes to get a single cp point to get to 3600......sure ill pay for cp points. lol0
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Der_Deutsche_Hase wrote: »I hope this is a sad attempt at trolling.
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Of course, with all the self-esteem boosting soccer mommies out there declaring sports can't have a winning team, because everyone is a winner, and high school basketball coaches getting suspended because their team won by too many points, it's not surprising that MMOs are starting to cater to those who feel entitled to a max level character without actually playing the game.
^^^So much this.....^^Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
Morshire✭✭✭✭since it will take 6 years based on the amount it takes to get a single cp point to get to 3600......sure ill pay for cp points. lol
Yeah Joejudas, not buying CP, buying VR14 toons so we don't have to level at all and just get to join your LFG end run in the time it took them to download the game. That is what is being purposed by the OP. But....you show an interesting point. When ZOS created this "long term" goal of a "lasting" game, they have created the very beast that is, IMO, going to create the downfall. I mean what is "convenient" for some, may be down right P2W for others. I mean where does it end? 3600 CP at 1 hour (grinding optimist number) = 150 days if you pee in a diaper, are spoon feed, never shower, and have a tag in partner for when you need a nap. No one wants that kind of grind. ZOS could have introduced the CP in stages, so people could obtain smaller chunks, then be introduced to more with the next DLC, etc. Then no one would "want" the boosts.
I was going to sit and see what happens, but the more these threads appear, the more it shows that all the nay sayers were right, and we are falling faster than a *** panties when the ships come in to port.
Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
If I die, you are forgiven, If I live, I will kill you.0 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭since it will take 6 years based on the amount it takes to get a single cp point to get to 3600......sure ill pay for cp points. lol
Yeah Joejudas, not buying CP, buying VR14 toons so we don't have to level at all and just get to join your LFG end run in the time it took them to download the game. That is what is being purposed by the OP. But....you show an interesting point. When ZOS created this "long term" goal of a "lasting" game, they have created the very beast that is, IMO, going to create the downfall. I mean what is "convenient" for some, may be down right P2W for others. I mean where does it end? 3600 CP at 1 hour (grinding optimist number) = 150 days if you pee in a diaper, are spoon feed, never shower, and have a tag in partner for when you need a nap. No one wants that kind of grind. ZOS could have introduced the CP in stages, so people could obtain smaller chunks, then be introduced to more with the next DLC, etc. Then no one would "want" the boosts.
I was going to sit and see what happens, but the more these threads appear, the more it shows that all the nay sayers were right, and we are falling faster than a *** panties when the ships come in to port.
I agree Hell RIFT is looking like a better option that ESO right now (at least Rift has an end game). As for consoles Neverwinter will probably be my option for console MMO..
Sad honestly I had such high hopes for ESO ..Edited by Funkopotamus on January 30, 2015 12:11AMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭
Yet both cheesy, and (imo) against the spirit of the game. Both fit the exact same requirements for being listed as a "convenience" item as well:
Nothing that isn't already attainable.
Shortens the length of time needed to acquire a goal.
Players aren't required to use the store to reach the same goal.
Different enough that they are marketed for different desires? Sure. Different enough to prevent either or both from fitting the current definition of what can be put in the store as "convenience"? Nope.
Not trying to be rude, but what has that to do with my point? My point was that one speeds your progress as you EARN experience, and the other allows you to skip earning experience altogether.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP0 -
tengri✭✭✭✭✭I am 101% sure it's coming. To the Crown Store.
Not yet and not right now of course, first they want to cash in on all the fresh and new players.
But in a couple of months your "Advanced Character Token" or whatever they gonna call it will be in the Store. No doubt about that.0 -
Morshire✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »I agree Hell RIFT is looking like a better option that ESO right now (at least Rift has an end game). As for consoles Neverwinter will probably be my option for console MMO..
Sad honestly I had such high hopes for ESO ..
Have to agree - well maybe not with the choices, but the looking. A lot of the people wanting to get to the end game so fast should take a moment and browse the older threads. I promise you will find ones about how much "end game" is lacking. This run to the end (or buy to the end) mentality may just prove that the grass is not greener on the other side. Wouldn't that suck to buy your way to end game and realize the best part of the game was 20 levels back?Edited by Morshire on January 30, 2015 12:57AMFollow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
If I die, you are forgiven, If I live, I will kill you.0 -
BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
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Yet both cheesy, and (imo) against the spirit of the game. Both fit the exact same requirements for being listed as a "convenience" item as well:
Nothing that isn't already attainable.
Shortens the length of time needed to acquire a goal.
Players aren't required to use the store to reach the same goal.
Different enough that they are marketed for different desires? Sure. Different enough to prevent either or both from fitting the current definition of what can be put in the store as "convenience"? Nope.
Not trying to be rude, but what has that to do with my point? My point was that one speeds your progress as you EARN experience, and the other allows you to skip earning experience altogether.
Your point is that they're different, my point is that its only partially true.0 -
Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭
Yet both cheesy, and (imo) against the spirit of the game. Both fit the exact same requirements for being listed as a "convenience" item as well:
Nothing that isn't already attainable.
Shortens the length of time needed to acquire a goal.
Players aren't required to use the store to reach the same goal.
Different enough that they are marketed for different desires? Sure. Different enough to prevent either or both from fitting the current definition of what can be put in the store as "convenience"? Nope.
Not trying to be rude, but what has that to do with my point? My point was that one speeds your progress as you EARN experience, and the other allows you to skip earning experience altogether.
Your point is that they're different, my point is that its only partially true.
Well yes, but my differentiating point is that one scenario is one in which a player still earns their experience, and the other they don't have to do anything to get it but enter a credit card number.
I'm sorry if I didn't make that more clear.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP0 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭How about NO!That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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istateres✭✭✭✭Not trying to be rude, but what has that to do with my point? My point was that one speeds your progress as you EARN experience, and the other allows you to skip earning experience altogether.[/quote]
So if the Crown store sold an option that allowed you to kill 1 mudcrab and gain a level that would be ok, but not to sell a VR1 or VR14 level toon?
The Rings of Mara are nothing more than a earn 10 VR levels get 1 free deal. We already know that deal can be "improved" by subscribing in the future. The real question is WHY is buying levels a problem? Don't say it will ruin the game. Tell me how it will impact YOU, because I bet in truth it would mean nothing to your gaming.
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭CyberXavier wrote: »It takes to long time to level for people like me who work all day long...
i can't play every day, and when i can spare time i have around 2 hours playing time. I'm V4 and i will never reach V14, it starts getting booring to play because i know that i never will reach max level where the fun starts.
All i ask is; Would it be possible to give people the options to max level an charachter from no matter what level they are or from level restrictions as 50 / v1 to v14? Not for free but maybe though the Crown Store which comes soon or for money such as 50 euro or something like that.
Best Regards
Fabian
Well it will get better when more players arrive. They are also removing subscription model so its not like you will be forced to pay to play. But VR leveling isn't as hard as it was before.
The best way to change the pace is to try grinding the dailies in Cyrodiil. Managed to get from VR rank 10 to 14 rather quickly with the option of PvP and also accumulated quite a bit of gold doing it. It would be a nice change of pace.
Eitherway soon you won't be forced to pay to play a game where you have two hours or you could and by XP boosts to help make the most of those 2 hours.0 -
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So if the Crown store sold an option that allowed you to kill 1 mudcrab and gain a level that would be ok, but not to sell a VR1 or VR14 level toon?
The Rings of Mara are nothing more than a earn 10 VR levels get 1 free deal. We already know that deal can be "improved" by subscribing in the future. The real question is WHY is buying levels a problem? Don't say it will ruin the game. Tell me how it will impact YOU, because I bet in truth it would mean nothing to your gaming.
I already said earlier in the thread how it would affect my gameplay, and that is a huge crop of brand new players shoved into endgame content who have zero idea what they're doing. It will wreck the community, as after a few truly horrific PUGs with people who have no idea what they are doing, people will start flat out asking others if they bought their character. Don't say that won't happen, it happens all the time in other games that offer this type of service. Those who bought the max level character will also quickly find that end game isn't what they thought it would be, because as it stands there is woefully little content.
I never wanted to see this game go the route of catering to extremely casual players at the detriment of those with more time to invest, but it's already going in that direction, so I guess it doesn't matter anymore.
Before you even try to paint me as an elitist, I'm far from it. I don't even have a max level character. The difference between me and some is that I don't feel that the game should be brought down to my level, and I don't feel that I should be able to "easy button" something that others work for. Others invest more time than me, they get more than me. I don't like the entitlement that causes some people to believe that they deserve to be on par with the people who work for something just because they want to.
Where the hell did this mindset even come from? It's rampant in the MMO community, especially, and that's why MMOs keep going the route ESO is going. It sure does suck for me, because I like playing a game where I work toward something and when I achieve it, it's meaningful. Seems there are fewer people like me and increasingly more people who want it handed to them with no effort.
But you're right, in actuality it will mean nothing to my gameplay because I am no longer playing this game.Edited by Ahdora on January 30, 2015 1:32PMHeals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP1 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭CyberXavier wrote: »It takes to long time to level for people like me who work all day long...
i can't play every day, and when i can spare time i have around 2 hours playing time. I'm V4 and i will never reach V14, it starts getting booring to play because i know that i never will reach max level where the fun starts.
All i ask is; Would it be possible to give people the options to max level an charachter from no matter what level they are or from level restrictions as 50 / v1 to v14? Not for free but maybe though the Crown Store which comes soon or for money such as 50 euro or something like that.
Best Regards
Fabian
Serious you ask for if you can pay to get to VR 14 when patch 6 will basically remove VR from game i serious hope you are joking about this.If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0 -
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✭✭When ZOS said they were putting XP gains for grinding, questing and PvP on a par, the grinders were out in force saying "Don't tell us how to get XP, you communists"
Because apparently it is communism to expect XP to level at similar rates.
Buying XP, buying a VR14 character, fastforwarding because you want to get to the "interesting bits", is just another example of good ole capitalism...
And it's not as if it should come as a surprise - want a level 90 character in WoW? Buy it.
Does anyone really think that ZOS won't do the same?
And for all those who say they'd leave, take a look at this post, there are comments from other people who would do it without thinking twice. ZOS will do it if it makes them money...
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Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭@I_killed_Vivec I have no doubt they will do it eventually, and it saddens me. As much as I used to love MMOs, I'm finding lately that they just aren't for me, anymore.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP0
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Rescorla_ESO✭✭✭✭If for some reason ZOS changes their mind and VR ranks stay in the game, I will bet anyone a six pack of beer that the ability to buy a VR 14 character from the Crown Store will eventually get added to the game.
Levelling up an alt is so painful that I have zero doubt a lot of players would fork over the money without a second thought.
Now if VR ranks get removed like ZOS claims they intend to do then I don't see them adding it to the Crown store.0 -
Morshire✭✭✭✭
So if the Crown store sold an option that allowed you to kill 1 mudcrab and gain a level that would be ok, but not to sell a VR1 or VR14 level toon?
The Rings of Mara are nothing more than a earn 10 VR levels get 1 free deal. We already know that deal can be "improved" by subscribing in the future. The real question is WHY is buying levels a problem? Don't say it will ruin the game. Tell me how it will impact YOU, because I bet in truth it would mean nothing to your gaming.
I already said earlier in the thread how it would affect my gameplay, and that is a huge crop of brand new players shoved into endgame content who have zero idea what they're doing. It will wreck the community, as after a few truly horrific PUGs with people who have no idea what they are doing, people will start flat out asking others if they bought their character. Don't say that won't happen, it happens all the time in other games that offer this type of service. Those who bought the max level character will also quickly find that end game isn't what they thought it would be, because as it stands there is woefully little content.
I never wanted to see this game go the route of catering to extremely casual players at the detriment of those with more time to invest, but it's already going in that direction, so I guess it doesn't matter anymore.
Before you even try to paint me as an elitist, I'm far from it. I don't even have a max level character. The difference between me and some is that I don't feel that the game should be brought down to my level, and I don't feel that I should be able to "easy button" something that others work for. Others invest more time than me, they get more than me. I don't like the entitlement that causes some people to believe that they deserve to be on par with the people who work for something just because they want to.
Where the hell did this mindset even come from? It's rampant in the MMO community, especially, and that's why MMOs keep going the route ESO is going. It sure does suck for me, because I like playing a game where I work toward something and when I achieve it, it's meaningful. Seems there are fewer people like me and increasingly more people who want it handed to them with no effort.
But you're right, in actuality it will mean nothing to my gameplay because I am no longer playing this game.
All of the above. (Well except the no longer playing....yet for me) And this is the saddest part of the whole thing, and people are completely self centered in their thinking on this, IMO. Here it is:
The people who drove themselves to end game and explored. The people who made others think it was super important to hurry to VR14, are slowly going away. Being replaced by people who just want to buy VR14. Who do you think will be able to help you learn all that "end game" stuff?
I'll let that sink in.Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
If I die, you are forgiven, If I live, I will kill you.1 -
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✭Well, afik in WoW people can buy an inst-level 90 char (cap there is 100? donno never played WoW...), in LotrO you can buy an insta-level 50 char (cap there is 100), in GW2 you can get a scroll that will insta-boost your char to level 20 but I have no clue if that is in their store I got it on my account as an anniversary gift...
Point being, however people feel about these things, other games offer them often so I am not surprised some here want them.
Personally I think such items are just a cash grab and not necessary, but then I prefer to play my way through a game not just the end - in the case of this game, I would say there is little reason to want to be insta-vr14 unless you like PvP. PvE experience for me was far better leveling than sitting on cap as I am now. But to each his own, it all boils down to how you value your time vs money.Edited by Soulshine on January 30, 2015 4:22PM2 -
Lukati_K✭✭✭Others invest more time than me, they get more than me. I don't like the entitlement that causes some people to believe that they deserve to be on par with the people who work for something just because they want to.
I've hardly ever seen such reckless entitlement. It's usually pretty over-the-top in MMOs, but for this particular game, it knows no equal. The concept seems to be that, if you pay, you're automatically entitled to everything, not just the opportunity, regardless of your time invested or skill as a player.
Maybe I'll go out, buy a Fender guitar, try awkwardly to play for 15 minutes, then write a letter to Fender, demanding that they provide for me a way to be a proficient guitar player without actually practicing. I'm sure Fender will get right to work for me, once they understand that I'm one of those "real" people, with a "real" job, just simply unable to cope with the requirements of learning guitar... or playing MMOs, or earning anything for myself ever.
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Romo✭✭✭✭CyberXavier wrote: »It takes to long time to level for people like me who work all day long...
i can't play every day, and when i can spare time i have around 2 hours playing time. I'm V4 and i will never reach V14, it starts getting booring to play because i know that i never will reach max level where the fun starts.
All i ask is; Would it be possible to give people the options to max level an charachter from no matter what level they are or from level restrictions as 50 / v1 to v14? Not for free but maybe though the Crown Store which comes soon or for money such as 50 euro or something like that.
Best Regards
Fabian
Serious you ask for if you can pay to get to VR 14 when patch 6 will basically remove VR from game i serious hope you are joking about this.
You should look closely at the patch notes for the PTS. Looks like most of the new stuff REQUIRES VR. VR will be with us for a long time if not permanently.
Also, all classes have been nerfed, and NPCs buffed per several posts on the PTS forum.
Now, you think some buffs to XP/free levels might show up in the store?0 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »CyberXavier wrote: »That sounds great, it would make alot so much better. I can finally get an chance for keeping up with my guild lads and have fun with them on raids.
I'm glad to hear that, i will check the day Crown Stores realeases to pay for it if it is possible there already.
On the offchance that you're just extremely gullible: this will not be an option on the Crown Store. The poster was just trying to be funny.
you really wanna claim things like that? if they end up leaving vr ranks. givie it 6 months prolly be somthing similar if not exact example0
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