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"Play As You Want"?
Samadhi
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Could someone locate for me the source of this apparent quote?
Spending time on the forums since launch, have seen a whole lot of threads referring to how ZOS is not accomplishing their promise of allowing players to play how they want.
Do not recall ever actually seeing this promised anywhere though.
Is this from an old interview or something? Where exactly is the original source on this? Am kind of interested in seeing how far the game on the whole has come since then.
Spending time on the forums since launch, have seen a whole lot of threads referring to how ZOS is not accomplishing their promise of allowing players to play how they want.
Do not recall ever actually seeing this promised anywhere though.
Is this from an old interview or something? Where exactly is the original source on this? Am kind of interested in seeing how far the game on the whole has come since then.
"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Gemseed✭✭✭You see...
The real problem lies not in what was said, but how some people chose to interpret it.
"Play How You Wan't" still means you have to put some thought and effort into a build in order for it to be effective.
It doesnt mean that you can run around in your underpants with a level 1 dagger and 5 useless skills, and still be effective.
Too many special snowflakes around, you see...
And on top of that, people don't understand that there WILL be builds that will be more powerful than others, but there usually isn't anything stopping you from using your perfectly fine build, that still gets the job done.
There's so many viable builds in this game, it's crazy, but some WILL be a bit better than others. Nothing is stopping you from playing "how you wan't" except for your desire to be "better".Edited by Gemseed on January 30, 2015 12:56AM12 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You see...
The real problem lies not in what was said, but how some people chose to interpret it.
"Play How You Wan't" still means you have to put some thought and effort into a build in order for it to be effective.
It doesnt mean that you can run around in your underpants with a level 1 dagger and 5 useless skills, and still be effective.
Too many special snowflakes around, you see...
Comprehend and respect what you are getting at in terms of it being contorted to suit individual needs.
Was more interested in where it actually came from and the context it initially showed up in though.
A guildmate linked me to:
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2014/03/26/esos-veteran-content
Which stated:One of the core philosophies of The Elder Scrolls Online is to allow you to play the way you want. You’ve probably heard us say it or experienced it for yourself: equip any weapon, wear any armor, choose from a myriad of skills, pick your role, make choices in quests, ignore certain quests and just explore, etc. The idea is that these choices tie you more to your character, and respect that you might want to play differently from one day to the next. Many times, I’ve heard people discuss how they like to solo, others like to “raid,” and another group likes to PvP, so we know gamers never fit into neat categories.
However, many people who have become attached to their character want to see how their character would perform in a variety of situations or game modes. This is part of the reason we don’t have PvP gear and PvE gear, and also the reason we embrace being able to pick and max out more than a handful of skills. We’ve tried to avoid the danger of compartmentalizing and labeling certain players by acknowledging that circumstances change for people day-to-day. On Monday you might feel like playing alone, and Tuesday you might feel like working with friends on a dungeon. Whatever your motivation, you should be able to go do the thing you want without a lot of barriers.
This is the philosophy behind the core systems of ESO—play the way you want to play—and it extends to our veteran content.
This implies that it was a loose suggestion meaning that not everyone has to do everything, but will still have things to do.
It also suggests that they had adopted it as a philosophy earlier than that news post, but have yet to pin down when they may have said it prior to then."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just a bunch of people taking a quote WAAAAAYYY out of context and then trying to hold ZOS accountable for their own misinterpretation of what was actually said.11 -
rawne1980b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Just a bunch of people taking a quote WAAAAAYYY out of context and then trying to hold ZOS accountable for their own misinterpretation of what was actually said.
The truth has been quoted right here.
It can also be said about every game ever made in the history of ever,
Someone reads a quote from a dev but they make up their own interpretation and then rage when said developer doesn't meet that players fantasy.
It's also how hype trains usually start. Things get blown way out of proportion only for that game to come out and people be bitterly disappointed because it doesn't cook, clean and give out free oral.
Long story short, some people make up their own definition of things they read.Edited by rawne1980b16_ESO on January 30, 2015 3:14AM1 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Just a bunch of people taking a quote WAAAAAYYY out of context and then trying to hold ZOS accountable for their own misinterpretation of what was actually said.
It's a 4-word quote, not a passage from Faulkner. Or do you find similar difficulties discerning the "context" of other literary conundrums like "No turn on red"?Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT2 -
YstradClud✭✭✭✭Still a decent amount of options to play this game how you want. I played WoW for years and the options in that game have been narrowed down a lot lately.0 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭Play how you want, does not mean play how you want and be effective.
I dont care how people want to play tbh. Just dont group me/ask for group if you are a unique sunflower build that is bad.3 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭You see...
The real problem lies not in what was said, but how some people chose to interpret it.
"Play How You Wan't" still means you have to put some thought and effort into a build in order for it to be effective.
It doesnt mean that you can run around in your underpants with a level 1 dagger and 5 useless skills, and still be effective.
Too many special snowflakes around, you see...
And on top of that, people don't understand that there WILL be builds that will be more powerful than others, but there usually isn't anything stopping you from using your perfectly fine build, that still gets the job done.
There's so many viable builds in this game, it's crazy, but some WILL be a bit better than others. Nothing is stopping you from playing "how you wan't" except for your desire to be "better".
we did have builds that worked...and zos nerfed them all in 1.6 pts1 -
Vizier✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's all about context and nominalism. There are some in the community that choose to apply their own interpretation to the terminology supplied by ZoS rather than understand it within the context given. It's classic "But you Said...YOU OWE MEEE!"
e.g...
I want to kill the NPC couple outside the Daggerfall Smithy that won't shut up about the Hero they'd like to buy an ale for. I guess ZoS broke it's promise to me to be able to play how I want.
Some want Vampires to be pretty dainty fluffy looking undead God's that run fast, can't die and have super human strength. Oh,and can charm you into taking your clothes off whenever they want, because we all know vampires can do these things, (cough). I guess ZoS broke their promise to us to be able to play how we WANT.
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just a bunch of people taking a quote WAAAAAYYY out of context and then trying to hold ZOS accountable for their own misinterpretation of what was actually said.
It's a 4-word quote, not a passage from Faulkner. Or do you find similar difficulties discerning the "context" of other literary conundrums like "No turn on red"?
It's 4 words cherry-picked from a much larger article explaining exactly what they meant by those 4 words.
It's like saying that Moby *** is all about this guy who has a complex about people not calling him by his correct name (Ishmael) and then goes on a rampage, murdering all of the citizens of Northern California before starting a Bonny & Clyde-style crime spree across the greater continental states w/ his girlfriend Cinderella.
...all because you decided not to read the rest of the book and just focused on the first sentence w/out any other context.
You... did know that it was a LOT more than 4 words to begin w/, right?2 -
Wolfsspinne✭✭✭Here are some quotes I found:
-> https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6139/Do the classes follow the tank/DPS/healer standard?
In The Elder Scrolls Online, characters do not necessarily follow the traditional MMO "Holy Trinity". Instead, each class is able to take on the role of healer, tank or damage dealer. It's entirely up to the player.
-> https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6415Is it better to be a vampire or werewolf?
It depends! Both vampires and werewolves have their own unique strengths and weaknesses. It is up to the player to decide what kind of monster they want to be!
-> https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6155/Which race has the best passive skills?
All of The Elder Scrolls Online's races have unique strengths, but ultimately none give a competitive advantage over others.
But the most important of all:
-> https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1286/There is a huge amount of skill involved in how players build their characters:
•What abilities they have on your shortcut bar
•What consumables they have at your disposal
•How they allocated their health, magicka, and stamina points
•What armor and weapons they’re using
•Where they place their skill points
Once they are in combat, the big skill differentiators are:
•Using spells at the right time soas not to waste magicka
•Dodging or blocking at the right moment to make an opponent waste magicka
•Coordinating healing and crowd control with teammates
•Fighting near cover
•Recognizing when it's necessary to swap to an alternate weapon
•Using area denial spells to defend choke points and break up formations
•…and more
A small, coordinated group can definitely take down a larger group with the right tactics, character builds, and execution.
So after all it's "Play As You Want but expect poor outcomes for poor decisions."Edited by Wolfsspinne on January 30, 2015 8:19AM3 -
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✭The fundamental problem here, as often, is reality versus perception .. the REALITY of the game is that you can, within reason, play how you want with the class you want and the build you want, the PERCEPTION created by the min/maxers and harcore elitists (who are often one and the same) is that only a handful of the myriad possibilities are acceptable to them and if you want to join their groups you play HOW THEY TELL YOU or not at all.
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on January 30, 2015 8:20AM4 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »Just a bunch of people taking a quote WAAAAAYYY out of context and then trying to hold ZOS accountable for their own misinterpretation of what was actually said.
The truth has been quoted right here.
It can also be said about every game ever made in the history of ever,
Someone reads a quote from a dev but they make up their own interpretation and then rage when said developer doesn't meet that players fantasy.
It's also how hype trains usually start. Things get blown way out of proportion only for that game to come out and people be bitterly disappointed because it doesn't cook, clean and give out free oral.
Long story short, some people make up their own definition of things they read.
Yea thats why game was broken for first month.
Imperial city will be in first major content update after launch, lofl nope, guess we took that outa context too
You can play how ya want, just dont grind mobs in craglorn! Quest or pvp grinding only! Lol musta taken that outa context tooEdited by Naivefanboi on January 30, 2015 8:45AM2 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »The fundamental problem here, as often, is reality versus perception .. the REALITY of the game is that you can, within reason, play how you want with the class you want and the build you want, the PERCEPTION created by the min/maxers and harcore elitists (who are often one and the same) is that only a handful of the myriad possibilities are acceptable to them and if you want to join their groups you play HOW THEY TELL YOU or not at all.
So wrong its not funny...
So tired of bad players saying anyone who is average or better is most likely a elitest...
The realist IS there are a few good builds and some people want to complete content faster to get onto more interesting things in the game, for example when I do a pledge I want it done in 5-15 mins. Luckily I have players in my contact list and I can be done in 20 mins including grouping time after I get on after work.
You think someone with a unique sunflower build could do that? Or a team with 3 people all doing a build thats fun but not optimal? No.
Some unique sunflower builds are so unique they are not even capable of doing some of the games content.
When you join the so called "Elitist Groups" if you cant stand up to the average or better then dont complain that they wont carry you...
Go play with others who like to play the way you do, min maxers will play with other min maxers because they are similar to their play style.
Quit saying this bs "PERCEPTION created by the min/maxers and harcore elitists (who are often one and the same)"... because ANYONE can play ANY build they want AND "Elitists" can play with ANYONE THEY WANT..Edited by Hortator Mopa on January 31, 2015 4:03AM0 -
Alderak015Soul ShrivenThe actual quote is from the back of the pc dvd box:
PLAY THE WAY YOU LIKE
Adventure alone or together with friends.
The choice is yours to make.
Cheers Alderak015
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Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭Alderak015 wrote: »The actual quote is from the back of the pc dvd box:
PLAY THE WAY YOU LIKE
Adventure alone or together with friends.
The choice is yours to make.
solo a trial 
sanc even 
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