Nightblade 1.6 Nerf

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Aeratus wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Light armor melee builds were ridiculous anyways, you shouldn't be in stabbing range when you're wearing nothing more than a glorified tshirt.

This ninja and his cloth armor would like to slap you for that.

Nope, Ninja's knew they were unarmoured.

But if you want viable cloth armour

light armor (cloth) should be the stealthiest. If you don't see what I'm talking about, tell me which one of these in-game armor logically looks the stealthiest?

Yes, but they divided the armours based how you would use it, and light armour is for Magicka users.

If they made it stealthy as well then light armour would be OP, so stealth users use Medium armour instead.

This actually represents the real world too, cloth armour was bulky in order to stop weapons. Stealth people used either dark clothes with no armour value or leather armour (dyed dark) which is medium armour in game.

DeLindsay · January 2015

Blud wrote: »

Sounds like what really got nerfed was NB aoe mob grinding.

Seems like the central focus of all nerfs is on ways people can get lots of xp.

There's only ONE thing that is a nerf to NB AOE Grinding and that's the VoB change. We lost the +30% dmg reduction to self and 3 seconds on duration. Sap Essence is actually BETTER now for Magicka builds (what many grind with since you can just run in, drop VoB, then Sap til it's all dead). Refreshing Path is also BETTER now and is a great thing to use to run into a pack of mobs in Spellscar.

I do agree however that ZoS is doing everything they can do reduce Grinding of any kind to slow the Champion System down. I'm not against this action but I'd rather ZoS had brought UP the XP gain of everything else instead of just repeatedly nerfing Grinding into Oblivion. I personally hate Grinding but it's no less valid than any other way to gain XP.

To the OP, lol man. NB's overall got buffed for 1.6.

Telel · January 2015

RE:Shades:

The timer seems to increase signifigantly as you rank the skill upwards. I think mine is at 26 seconds at rank IV though I'll need to double check. So pretty much the same as before.

Also the damage seems to be a LOT higher though without a good combat addon like FTN it's hard to tell just how much more damage they're doing when they hit.

Bouvin · January 2015

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Light armor melee builds were ridiculous anyways, you shouldn't be in stabbing range when you're wearing nothing more than a glorified tshirt.

This ninja and his cloth armor would like to slap you for that.

Nope, Ninja's knew they were unarmoured.

But if you want viable cloth armour

But that's in a world where stealth worked and 1-shotting was common.

Stealth is pretty broken in 1.6

Sharee · January 2015

Erondil wrote: »

One magicka reg/spell cost reduce and you got the same HW/min potential (because you don't use magicka for other things).

1, This simply isn't true. Not only does not a single magicka reg/spell cost reduce jewelry piece equalize a NB in light and medium armors as far as healing ward is concerned (a single jewelry piece is just as good as 21% cheaper spells and 28% higher regen? Please.), stamina NB's DO use magicka for other things (like fear, cloak, ambush, etc.)

2, It will be even less true in 1.6, where healing ward (being a spell costing mana) will now scale with spell stats, and where jewelry had it's influence on character stats reduced by 50%.

starkerealm · January 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

Do me a favor. Take 30% out of whatever is in your wallet right now and then give me the rest. Sheesh.

*hands you some lint*

starkerealm · January 2015

AlexDougherty wrote: »

This actually represents the real world too...

Alex, with respect, any sentence regarding The Elder Scrolls that starts that way, should probably never be finished.

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

DeLindsay wrote: »

Blud wrote: »

Sounds like what really got nerfed was NB aoe mob grinding.

Seems like the central focus of all nerfs is on ways people can get lots of xp.

There's only ONE thing that is a nerf to NB AOE Grinding and that's the VoB change. We lost the +30% dmg reduction to self and 3 seconds on duration. Sap Essence is actually BETTER now for Magicka builds (what many grind with since you can just run in, drop VoB, then Sap til it's all dead). Refreshing Path is also BETTER now and is a great thing to use to run into a pack of mobs in Spellscar.

I do agree however that ZoS is doing everything they can do reduce Grinding of any kind to slow the Champion System down. I'm not against this action but I'd rather ZoS had brought UP the XP gain of everything else instead of just repeatedly nerfing Grinding into Oblivion. I personally hate Grinding but it's no less valid than any other way to gain XP.

To the OP, lol man. NB's overall got buffed for 1.6.

Lol i just dont care about AoE Grinding, what I care about is 1v1 and 1vX the few things that are real fun... But taking me my best Skills for that (Ambush/ Surprise Attack) seems clever...

I smell dat logic is foul...

TheBucket · January 2015

I don't mind the change to Ambush. I preferred to use Shield charge anyhow to set up my burst with a stun. Didn't really use it for the damage increase because I felt I got more damage from Concealed weapon while my opponent was CC.

Zhoyzu · January 2015

This patch actually makes nightblades a viable class to play. Just because you can now make a stam based nb doesn't mean its been nerfed. Night blades for the good end of this deal with sorcs close behind. Magicka builds were only prominent on NBS because steam builds were broken. They are now effective.

Night blades are getting a huge buff.

Now if you had been crying about how some of the night blade passives are complete *** such as shadow barriers change. I would support your claim. But you're crying over a buff.

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

NB gets destroyed... Stamina is crap when ur stamina is eaten in 5 seconds in PvP...
Also u have no heal if u use stamina
Nightblades is worst class after this patch once more

Erondil · January 2015

Zhoyzu wrote: »

This patch actually makes nightblades a viable class to play. Just because you can now make a stam based nb doesn't mean its been nerfed. Night blades for the good end of this deal with sorcs close behind. Magicka builds were only prominent on NBS because steam builds were broken. They are now effective.

Night blades are getting a huge buff.

Now if you had been crying about how some of the night blade passives are complete *** such as shadow barriers change. I would support your claim. But you're crying over a buff.

Its not because you want to play your nightblade stamina that everybody want. I play magicka melee NB since the beta and because I like it. It's a stamina nb buff sure, but they could do it in another way. Like they did with ults, scaled on the better pool, or even remove lotus fan (actually almost never used). But no, they just decided to destroy magicka melee NB. Meta reduction. Thanks zos.
Stamina NB were already pretty viable. I'm a dueller and one of the hardest NB I've ever duelled were stamina 2h+dw.

Lynx7386 · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

NB gets destroyed... Stamina is crap when ur stamina is eaten in 5 seconds in PvP...
Also u have no heal if u use stamina
Nightblades is worst class after this patch once more

You people are impossible.

Lynx7386 · January 2015

Zhoyzu wrote: »

Now if you had been crying about how some of the night blade passives are complete *** such as shadow barriers change. I would support your claim. But you're crying over a buff.

How is the shadow barrier change a nerf in any way? A nightblade can now easily keep the armor and spell resistance bonus from shadow barrier up through an entire fight, instead of it only applying when coming out of stealth.

All you have to do to keep shadow barrier up now is use surprise attack/concealed weapon every 4 seconds.

Bfish22090 · January 2015

DKS are now king of the castle.

DeLindsay · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

NB gets destroyed... Stamina is crap when ur stamina is eaten in 5 seconds in PvP...
Also u have no heal if u use stamina
Nightblades is worst class after this patch once more

Oh I must've missed it on PTS where Funnel Health/Swallow Soul was removed form NB's, and Refreshing Path must not actually be healing for ~300/tick on PTS like it says it does. I guess ZoS must've also ninja removed all Heals from the Resto Staff Tree last night too since you say Stamina NB's have no Heals. Don't forget the STAMINA only Heal Vigor in Assault. Sure it requires Assault Rank 10 but it's still a Stamina based Heal. NB's didn't even lose Sap Essence as a Heal, all ZoS did is add Spell Damage to it, it still gives Weapon Damage just like Live.

SRIBES · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Surprise Attack is a melee attack which was mitigated by Armor before 1.6...
Think why i want to reduce my opponents armor ...

L2P noob or you're a troll. Already made a NB build that's better than what we have acsess to now.

Stumkrav · January 2015

Zhoyzu wrote: »

This patch actually makes nightblades a viable class to play. Just because you can now make a stam based nb doesn't mean its been nerfed. Night blades for the good end of this deal with sorcs close behind. Magicka builds were only prominent on NBS because steam builds were broken. They are now effective.

Night blades are getting a huge buff.

Now if you had been crying about how some of the night blade passives are complete *** such as shadow barriers change. I would support your claim. But you're crying over a buff.

Can you explain me what you consider a buff for NB stamina? It's viable? It is right now in LIVE. I raid with him doing great DMG, but what about pvp?

We have no real escape besides that cloack.

1 ambush, 1 surprise attack, 1 dodge = 0 stamina.

How are you telling me that this is a buff? Nightblade stamina now suffers, his burst damage isn't that good and magika NB (which was the only viable NB) is nerfed.

Please can you tell me where are the buffs? Mark target? Blur? Agony? Man, they aren't really that good skills in pvp, mark target if any and agony now with cast time reduced, quite questionable, maybe good for stop healers/shield templars.

The main problem it seems like you guys are not talking about pvp, isnt? Correct me plase.

XEVENEX · January 2015

Ambush Surprise Attack is OP as f*** on live anyway dude. The nerf bat was inevitable, and im not even sure I believe your hyperbole.

Spiritreaver_ESO · January 2015

Having been putting out a fire work related fires for a bit and coming back to this thread, i now see two camps emerging. And i actually feel a ton better about NB adjustments.

You have one group looking at things from a PvE pov and another filtering everything through the filter of how PvP will be effected. Never ever in life will both groups be totally happy with a change, so i guess ZoS is doing alright in this instance.

Stumkrav · January 2015

XEVENEX wrote: »

Ambush Surprise Attack is OP as f*** on live anyway dude. The nerf bat was inevitable, and im not even sure I believe your hyperbole.

Well, that skills are now stamina based xD.

I think you don't understand the problem here. Go, do some Cyrodill with Stamina NB then come back here and tell me.

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

Stumkrav wrote: »

Zhoyzu wrote: »

This patch actually makes nightblades a viable class to play. Just because you can now make a stam based nb doesn't mean its been nerfed. Night blades for the good end of this deal with sorcs close behind. Magicka builds were only prominent on NBS because steam builds were broken. They are now effective.

Night blades are getting a huge buff.

Now if you had been crying about how some of the night blade passives are complete *** such as shadow barriers change. I would support your claim. But you're crying over a buff.

Can you explain me what you consider a buff for NB stamina? It's viable? It is right now in LIVE. I raid with him doing great DMG, but what about pvp?

We have no real escape besides that cloack.

1 ambush, 1 surprise attack, 1 dodge = 0 stamina.

How are you telling me that this is a buff? Nightblade stamina now suffers, his burst damage isn't that good and magika NB (which was the only viable NB) is nerfed.

Please can you tell me where are the buffs? Mark target? Blur? Agony? Man, they aren't really that good skills in pvp, mark target if any and agony now with cast time reduced, quite questionable, maybe good for stop healers/shield templars.

The main problem it seems like you guys are not talking about pvp, isnt? Correct me plase.

Thanks ya, at least one person who isnt to silly and understands it

Lynx7386 · January 2015

My nightblades stamina definitely doesn't run out that fast, maybe you're just not geared right.

XEVENEX · January 2015

Lynx7386 wrote: »

My nightblades stamina definitely doesn't run out that fast, maybe you're just not geared right.

They're block casting is my guess. It's possible there was a ninja nerf to block cost. That or they're all magicka specd.

Erondil · January 2015

Lynx7386 wrote: »

My nightblades stamina definitely doesn't run out that fast, maybe you're just not geared right.

Because ambush and surprise attack use your magicka. In 1.6 you will (in pvp I mean, with rolldoge/break ccs costs

Shunravi · January 2015

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Light armor melee builds were ridiculous anyways, you shouldn't be in stabbing range when you're wearing nothing more than a glorified tshirt.

This ninja and his cloth armor would like to slap you for that.

Nope, Ninja's knew they were unarmoured.

But if you want viable cloth armour

But, since we are linking fun armors

Lynx7386 · January 2015

Erondil wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

My nightblades stamina definitely doesn't run out that fast, maybe you're just not geared right.

Because ambush and surprise attack use your magicka. In 1.6 you will (in pvp I mean, with rolldoge/break ccs costs

I spam roll dodge and weapon attacks all day, stamina is never an issue.

WillhelmBlack · January 2015

Have you actually tried PTS? They haven't been nerfed at all! I still cant run around Cyrodiil without being pinned to the floor and stabbed to death.

Erondil · January 2015

I did but since EU players dont get their char copied, I can't really try out all I would. NB melee magicka got huges nerfs, I've already explain why. Nobody can deny that.
Pst: If you want crazy damages go stam 2h, momentum+dawnbreaker give bonuses for your class skills. Ppl wont block with the new block cost. And you got 3* more armor (ok normal) ANd spell resist than Light armor (a non-sense). Just a tip. Something I wont do because Im not a fotm player.

Lynx7386 · January 2015

Yea the changes are definitely nice for 2h builds, especially if the new ambush and surprise attack scale on weapon damage.