Nightblade 1.6 Nerf

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

Why you had to nerf us so much? Everything about us except maybe Bows was finde. Now we do really suck:

- Self AoE Heal gone, cant do PvP Tanking anymore
- Ambush Stamina Morph, badest thing ever, really destroys everything you could have done
- Veil Of Blades Duration and Mitigation Nerf, what the hell, u said you want to balance all Ultis around Standard of Might, but you nerf that?? -> Zeni logics...
- Fear time nerfed from 4.5s to 3s. Just rewards bad player that couldnt manage their ressources.

Please dont do this changes, they are crap and destroys my whole Nightblade.
Isnt it enough to nerf Light Armour, do you really have to **** on Nightblades.

Have a nice evening, I wont have it anymore...

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

also

-For the Veiled Strike ability, we made Surprise Attack cost stamina instead of Concealed Weapon because Surprise Attack also reduces armor and made sense to us for a physical damage dealer.

Kevingway · January 2015

Why you had to nerf us so much? Everything about us except maybe Bows was finde. Now we do really suck:

- Self AoE Heal gone, cant do PvP Tanking anymore

Nope, still there.

- Ambush Stamina Morph, badest thing ever, really destroys everything you could have done

How so? If you're a spellcaster using a gap closer that increases weapon damage, I think you need to reevaluate the way you build your characters. This is coming from someone who frequently enjoys mixing stamina and magicka abilities for damage purposes.

- Veil Of Blades Duration and Mitigation Nerf, what the hell, u said you want to balance all Ultis around Standard of Might, but you nerf that?? -> Zeni logics...

We now significantly mitigate damage every time we cast a shadow ability, as opposed to whenever we leave stealth/invisibility. Dear lord, our mitigation is insane. Let the ultimate go.

- Fear time nerfed from 4.5s to 3s. Just rewards bad player that couldnt manage their ressources.

And this hurts nothing if not barely anything at all. Just because it's a nerf doesn't mean it's a bad nerf.

Please dont do this changes, they are crap and destroys my whole Nightblade.
Isnt it enough to nerf Light Armour, do you really have to **** on Nightblades.

Have a nice evening, I wont have it anymore...

Nightblades may be the most powerful class coming out of this patch. Then again, I barely paid attention to anything other than sorcerer and templar, but... well, holy crap, nightblades are good. Read it again.

kieso · January 2015

gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

Later egg!

Kevingway · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

also

-For the Veiled Strike ability, we made Surprise Attack cost stamina instead of Concealed Weapon because Surprise Attack also reduces armor and made sense to us for a physical damage dealer.

Yup, cause why do you want to reduce their armor if you're doing magic damage?

ThumbShanks · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

Kevingway wrote: »

Why you had to nerf us so much? Everything about us except maybe Bows was finde. Now we do really suck:

- Self AoE Heal gone, cant do PvP Tanking anymore

Nope, still there.

- Ambush Stamina Morph, badest thing ever, really destroys everything you could have done

How so? If you're a spellcaster using a gap closer that increases weapon damage, I think you need to reevaluate the way you build your characters. This is coming from someone who frequently enjoys mixing stamina and magicka abilities for damage purposes.

- Veil Of Blades Duration and Mitigation Nerf, what the hell, u said you want to balance all Ultis around Standard of Might, but you nerf that?? -> Zeni logics...

We now significantly mitigate damage every time we cast a shadow ability, as opposed to whenever we leave stealth/invisibility. Dear lord, our mitigation is insane. Let the ultimate go.

- Fear time nerfed from 4.5s to 3s. Just rewards bad player that couldnt manage their ressources.

And this hurts nothing if not barely anything at all. Just because it's a nerf doesn't mean it's a bad nerf.

Please dont do this changes, they are crap and destroys my whole Nightblade.
Isnt it enough to nerf Light Armour, do you really have to **** on Nightblades.

Have a nice evening, I wont have it anymore...

Nightblades may be the most powerful class coming out of this patch. Then again, I barely paid attention to anything other than sorcerer and templar, but... well, holy crap, nightblades are good. Read it again.

Seems like your a Ganker...

Veil of Blade was nice because of helping allies for a long time...
Sap Essence :

Drain Power

Sap Essence (morph): This ability now grants you the Major Spell Power buff.
That means they substitute

Ambush-> Surprise Attack Combo was the best thing you could get for burning down shields in a magicka build. Ambush increased overall damage with the following attack by 36%!!! nothing weapon damage...

Fear nerf, might be ok, but still a nerf!!!

Did you read the Sorc things?
They will be the class that can increased their Magicka the best. Pets don't give magika malus anymore-> Necropotence gives u alot. the armor buffs magicka by 5%

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

Surprise Attack is a melee attack which was mitigated by Armor before 1.6...
Think why i want to reduce my opponents armor ...

Kevingway · January 2015

Seems like your a Ganker....

I enjoy duels as much as the next guy. We're much stronger now.

Veil of Blade was nice because of helping allies for a long time...

And now we can do that with Refreshing Path more efficiently.

Sap Essence :

Drain Power

Sap Essence (morph): This ability now grants you the Major Spell Power buff.
That means they substitute

Yes, they substituted the weapon power buff for a spell power buff.

Ambush-> Surprise Attack Combo was the best thing you could get for burning down shields in a magicka build. Ambush increased overall damage with the following attack by 36%!!! nothing weapon damage...

Forgive me, you're right. Guess you'll have to use one of the many other combos that grant increased power on the next attack.

Fear nerf, might be ok, but still a nerf!!!

But all those buffs...

Did you read the Sorc things?
They will be the class that can increased their Magicka the best. Pets don't give magika malus anymore-> Necropotence gives u alot. the armor buffs magicka by 5%

Look at our class passives. We had the magicka they've been craving all along just by slotting our abilities. Plus, their abilities require use on two skill bars, whereas only one of ours is a toggle.

Please, man, study the dang class.

reften · January 2015

yeah as a NB...no more just rushing into the middle of a zerg, hit bats, sap like crazy holding block, build ultimate, bats again.

Was too good to be true

Kevingway · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Surprise Attack is a melee attack which was mitigated by Armor before 1.6...
Think why i want to reduce my opponents armor ...

And according to you (because I don't actually remember reading this), it scales off stamina. Congratulations, Surprise Attack is stronger.

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzKAut3sVrw#t=18

Nop Surprice Attack scaled with Magicka, and Weapon Crit
U have to 5 o clock Zenimax to change my Ambush back to Magicka, and the Surprise Attack also!!

As a macgicka build i dont have any good single targe dps skill thats not reflectable!!

AllPlayAndNoWork · January 2015

So how do you see the magicka based NB then when 1.6 comes in......

I'm confused by it all.

pjwb16_ESO · January 2015

I ll try to get a good magicka build Nightblade working, expect it on my channel if yes, if not then not xD

bosmern_ESO · January 2015

I personally really enjoy the changes NB are getting. I never used veil other than in pve

Kevingway · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzKAut3sVrw#t=18

Nop Surprice Attack scaled with Magicka, and Weapon Crit
U have to 5 o clock Zenimax to change my Ambush back to Magicka, and the Surprise Attack also!!

As a macgicka build i dont have any good single targe dps skill thats not reflectable!!

Guess you'll have to use abilities that aren't specifically nightblade. Darn. Because this game means for you to have an entirely red skill bar with no other options.

AllPlayAndNoWork · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzKAut3sVrw#t=18

Nop Surprice Attack scaled with Magicka, and Weapon Crit
U have to 5 o clock Zenimax to change my Ambush back to Magicka, and the Surprise Attack also!!

As a macgicka build i dont have any good single targe dps skill thats not reflectable!!

It did say that magicka abilities scale of spell crit

Abilities that cost magicka will now always scale off your magicka, spell damage, and spell critical strike stats.

TheBucket · January 2015

I dont think its as bad as people think. This is coming from a NB who played stamina and magic build.

Kinda excite to run a hubrid build is t of just frontloading magic and spamming ambush/fear/suprise attack

Sharee · January 2015

Mass hysteria now also affects 3 targets instead of 2. Even if the duration is 1.5 seconds shorter, i think that's a good trade.

Celless · January 2015

As much as I dislike the Consuming Darkness duration nerf, I like now that there's a choice between the tank-like Bolstering Darkness and the more offensive Veil of Blades, versus having the best of both worlds before (in my opinion). The shorter duration and adjustments in Ultimate gain will make the timing of these moves more critical than they are now.

Sap Essence felt like that was coming. Damage, healing, ultimate build, being able to solo lower Craglorn delves and duo the upper Craglorn ones felt overpowered.

I may be misunderstanding how Ambush and Surprise Attack work in 1.5. I thought both dealt magic damage, scaled off of magicka and spell damage and were mitigated by spell resist. And with the 1.6 adjustments, they are stamina-derived, and therefore physical damage mitigated by armor. I'm on the fence now and no longer know what to think about this one.

Quite eager to see the Shadow mitigation passive, how and/or if the new Assassin's Will come into play, and having a Mark Target that doesn't leave us with our pants down.

Sharee · January 2015

Celless wrote: »

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I may be misunderstanding how Ambush and Surprise Attack work in 1.5. I thought both dealt magic damage, scaled off of magicka and spell damage and were mitigated by spell resist. And with the 1.6 adjustments, they are stamina-derived, and therefore physical damage mitigated by armor. I'm on the fence now and no longer know what to think about this one.

Both were always mitigated by armor (and used weapon crit).

morvegil · January 2015

As a Stamina NB this is good. Screw you NBs wearing robes...dumbest thing ever.

Iago · January 2015

morvegil wrote: »

As a Stamina NB this is good. Screw you NBs wearing robes...dumbest thing ever.

Shouldn't a sneaky assassin type be wearing light and medium armor anyway? Sneaking in a full set of heavy armor seems unrealistic to me

Aeratus · January 2015

Celless wrote: »

I may be misunderstanding how Ambush and Surprise Attack work in 1.5. I thought both dealt magic damage, scaled off of magicka and spell damage and were mitigated by spell resist. And with the 1.6 adjustments, they are stamina-derived, and therefore physical damage mitigated by armor. I'm on the fence now and no longer know what to think about this one.

Currently, they are mitigated by armor, not spell resist.

Spiritreaver_ESO · January 2015

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Why you had to nerf us so much? Everything about us except maybe Bows was finde. Now we do really suck:

- Self AoE Heal gone, cant do PvP Tanking anymore
- Ambush Stamina Morph, badest thing ever, really destroys everything you could have done
- Veil Of Blades Duration and Mitigation Nerf, what the hell, u said you want to balance all Ultis around Standard of Might, but you nerf that?? -> Zeni logics...
- Fear time nerfed from 4.5s to 3s. Just rewards bad player that couldnt manage their ressources.

Please dont do this changes, they are crap and destroys my whole Nightblade.
Isnt it enough to nerf Light Armour, do you really have to **** on Nightblades.

Have a nice evening, I wont have it anymore...

I think you should wait to actually try out the changes to NB specifically WITH the gameplay changes made across the board before you call it quits.

For me personally, i'm pretty excited to try the changes. And also a bit concerned...because after looking at some of the other game-wide changes/additions, Nightblade is looking really sweet. Prolly REALLY sweet to those players that habitually jump onto bandwagon jobs/classes in MMOs.I mean hell, if i hadn't already been a lover of the class-i'd definitely be rolling one soon.

Erondil · January 2015

Sorry ambush stamina is the worst *** ever for magicka nightblades melee. Because yes, caster doesnt means siphon/range style if you didn't know. The other morph is almost never used, so why not turn it to a stamina ambush? This way we got 2 morphs doing exactly the same thing but one using stamina for stam players and the other one using mag for magicka players. And everybody is happy because nobody care about lotus ***. My build is quite *** up due to that, I can't spend stam to ambush.
#ZOS logic

Akhratos · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

As a Stamina NB this is good. Screw you NBs wearing robes...dumbest thing ever.

Shouldn't a sneaky assassin type be wearing light and medium armor anyway? Sneaking in a full set of heavy armor seems unrealistic to me

Ninjas in pyjamas?

LtCrunch · January 2015

morvegil wrote: »

As a Stamina NB this is good. Screw you NBs wearing robes...dumbest thing ever.

Might wanna brush up on your Nightblade lore there bud.

Brasseurfb16_ESO · January 2015

I was wondering, does the change to Hemorrhage passive affects our Sneak Attacks? Is the Buff priotize before the damage calculation or did we just lost 10% critical damage bonus on our Sneak Attacks?

Lynx7386 · January 2015

Overall the nightblade changes seem like a buff, but I'm a little sad that we wont be able to massively stack weapon damage buffs for 2hander builds anymore.

the stamina version for surprise attack is awesome for 2h builds though, since it gives us a stamina-based instant spammable attack and will also constantly refresh the armor and spell resist bonus we get from bolstering shadows.

Blud · January 2015

Sounds like what really got nerfed was NB aoe mob grinding.

Seems like the central focus of all nerfs is on ways people can get lots of xp.