Vampires & Werewolves NOT mentioned in Justice System!

MornaBaine · January 2015

So, is being a Stage 4 vampire or a transformed werewolf NOT going to elicit any reactions from guards and citizens? We need to know. Please answer @ZOS_GinaBruno . Thank you.

AshySamurai · January 2015

Well, guard may ask you for bite/scratch ^^

dharbert · January 2015

Apparently not. Although there is time to add/change things about the update. I highly doubt Stage 4 attack-on-sight will be added at this point.

Lokryn · January 2015

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

Lukeh Shadyvale · January 2015

Yes they said a while ago in live stream that guards will engage stage 4 vampires and view them as potential criminals.

RedTalon · January 2015

They had said in past things, vampires and werewolves won't be punished untill they comment a crime being a vampire or walking around morphed has a werewolf won't be a crime till you kill someone or steal

Edit: They need to make up their mind then to the person above me have heard them say both now

MornaBaine · January 2015

RedTalon wrote: »

They had said in past things, vampires and werewolves won't be punished untill they comment a crime being a vampire or walking around morphed has a werewolf won't be a crime till you kill someone or steal

Edit: They need to make up their mind then to the person above me have heard them say both now

THAT is just FREAKING ridiculous.

hk11 · January 2015

Does this mean that stage 4 vampires can get together and wreck towns without consequence?

Lokryn · January 2015

RedTalon wrote: »

They had said in past things, vampires and werewolves won't be punished untill they comment a crime being a vampire or walking around morphed has a werewolf won't be a crime till you kill someone or steal

Edit: They need to make up their mind then to the person above me have heard them say both now

Can you link to this? I've been following it pretty closely and I don't remember them saying this but I could be wrong.

MornaBaine · January 2015

hk11 wrote: »

Does this mean that stage 4 vampires can get together and wreck towns without consequence?

No it just means that the immersion breaking thing of townspeople not noticing AT ALL that there are MONSTERS standing right in front of them is going to continue unabated. I REALLY want to know the reason for this!

cravnbeer · January 2015

Personally I am glad and hope that they decided against it. I thought that was just an annoyance that was being put in for the sake of others immersion.

LegacyDM · January 2015

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...

LegacyDM · January 2015

Furthermore I'm the hero of tamriel. I saved the world from molock ball. Now cause I'm a vampire I'm an enemy of the state?!

LionheartRichard · January 2015

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...

You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.

starkerealm · January 2015

Lokryn wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

They had said in past things, vampires and werewolves won't be punished untill they comment a crime being a vampire or walking around morphed has a werewolf won't be a crime till you kill someone or steal

Edit: They need to make up their mind then to the person above me have heard them say both now

Can you link to this? I've been following it pretty closely and I don't remember them saying this but I could be wrong.

Well, I just wolfed out in front of a guard... no shanks were given. I went on a minor rampage, and THEN she noticed I was a nine foot tall snarling deathbeast in a nation beset by nine foot tall snarling deathbeasts. So, yeah, maybe Daggerfall should aim a little higher when recruiting new guards.

LtCrunch · January 2015

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...

Vampires with a high "stage" in Morrowind and Oblivion were the equivalent of kill on site.

LtCrunch · January 2015

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Furthermore I'm the hero of tamriel. I saved the world from molock ball. Now cause I'm a vampire I'm an enemy of the state?!

Who is this "mollock ball" that you speak of?

starkerealm · January 2015

Brandalf wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Furthermore I'm the hero of tamriel. I saved the world from molock ball. Now cause I'm a vampire I'm an enemy of the state?!

Who is this "mollock ball" that you speak of?

Ever hear an orc belt out "By Mauloch's left nut!"?

Yeah, me neither, but I guess that's what Josh is dealing with.

JamilaRaj · January 2015

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...

But sickly looking people could be carrying plague. Given antibiotics are scarce in Tamriel, it's quite reasonable to kill them on sight. That some of them are in fact godless bloodsuckers and will get killed too is welcomed bonus.

MornaBaine · January 2015

Still hoping for a Dev response on this. It was pretty clearly something Paul Sage wanted to happen. Has it been dropped entirely? If so, why? Is it just being deferred to a later update? If so, why?

Iago · January 2015

LionheartRichard wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...

You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.

That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play

MornaBaine · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

LionheartRichard wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...

You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.

That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play

Then at the very least there ought to be a standard of "covered up" that will get you by whereas showing your entire Stage 4 hideous face should totally freak out the guards.

Iago · January 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

LionheartRichard wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...

You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.

That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play

Then at the very least there ought to be a standard of "covered up" that will get you by whereas showing your entire Stage 4 hideous face should totally freak out the guards.

True but my favorite part of Oblivion Vampires was the fact the sun would roast you to death, too bad there can't be a wait function with TESO because then vamps would be a lot more fun to play

MornaBaine · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

LionheartRichard wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...

You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.

That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play

Then at the very least there ought to be a standard of "covered up" that will get you by whereas showing your entire Stage 4 hideous face should totally freak out the guards.

True but my favorite part of Oblivion Vampires was the fact the sun would roast you to death, too bad there can't be a wait function with TESO because then vamps would be a lot more fun to play

Right there with you on that one!

Mathius_Mordred · January 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

They had said in past things, vampires and werewolves won't be punished untill they comment a crime being a vampire or walking around morphed has a werewolf won't be a crime till you kill someone or steal

Edit: They need to make up their mind then to the person above me have heard them say both now

Can you link to this? I've been following it pretty closely and I don't remember them saying this but I could be wrong.

Well, I just wolfed out in front of a guard... no shanks were given. I went on a minor rampage, and THEN she noticed I was a nine foot tall snarling deathbeast in a nation beset by nine foot tall snarling deathbeasts. So, yeah, maybe Daggerfall should aim a little higher when recruiting new guards.

Guards in ESO - Should have gone to Specsavers

ShadowHvo · January 2015

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

No.

It makes abseloutely no sense that a blood starved vampire can not slap on a full-on iron helmet and that PEOPLE can still see that you're a vampire, even though your body is 100% covered in metal, and you look no different from the hundreds of guards standing beside you.

I agree on werewolves in their transformation, and vampires who use vampiric only powers. But murder a vampire because it decides to starve itself so it doesn't have to feed on the innocent? No.

MornaBaine · January 2015

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

No.

It makes abseloutely no sense that a blood starved vampire can not slap on a full-on iron helmet and that PEOPLE can still see that you're a vampire, even though your body is 100% covered in metal, and you look no different from the hundreds of guards standing beside you.

I agree on werewolves in their transformation, and vampires who use vampiric only powers. But murder a vampire because it decides to starve itself so it doesn't have to feed on the innocent? No.

We are always going to disagree here. I don't care how fluffy-bunny you play your vampire, it is illogical to think they CAN starve themselves without becoming a menace to society or sinking into torpor/possibly dying. I realize the game mechanic allows you to do exactly that but the game mechanic is SERIOUSLY FLAWED. I DO agree that a Stage 4 vampire SHOULD be able to wear COMPLETELY CONCEALING armor or clothing and thus escape detection. But that's the ONLY way it should happen. If a tiger walks into a mall, no one is going to know it's an escaped pet that has been defanged and declawed and wouldn't hurt a bunny rabbit. Folks are gonna scream, "OMFG IT'S A FREAKING TIGER!" and flee until the cops show up and gun it down.

ShadowHvo · January 2015

They look sickly, common folk still has no bloody idea its a vampire.

Otherwise why don't we just delete the entire Rivenspire questline, as we as players can clearly see those are vampires. But no one else knows until they have been flat out told in front of their faces.

Also, there is a big difference between having a vampire going into a town, acting all civilized without opposing any threats, and a hissing bloodfiend running in with its claws out. For all the people in Tamriel knows, that person is just extremely sick, and needs the assistence of a healer. Just like we've been shown in Skyrim, and those looked even more monstrous, than sickly like the vamps in ESO.

LionheartRichard · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

LionheartRichard wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

How would a guard know if I am a vampire? in past elder scroll games people just commented on me looking pale, sickly, and or diseased. Would be stupid for a guard to assume everyone who looks sick is a vampire and attck onsite...hell, I could just be an enimic starved veiny person with blodshot eyes and bad teeth. Doesn't give the guard the right to racially profile me and kill onsite...

You're joking, right? It's incredibly obvious that stage 4 vampires are vampires. In past Elder Scrolls games, stage 4 vampires were KOS.

That was Skyrim in Oblivion and Morrowind as long as you were covered well people didn't notice in fact there were no stages of vampirism in those games that I remember. Although Oblivion Vampires were by far the most fun to play

That's not true at all...

Oronell · January 2015

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Lokryn wrote: »

This is an absolute must. Stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should be KOS in the justice system. The justice system won't have a lot of integrity if small time thieves can be accosted but a vampire or werewolf can run free.

No.

It makes abseloutely no sense that a blood starved vampire can not slap on a full-on iron helmet and that PEOPLE can still see that you're a vampire, even though your body is 100% covered in metal, and you look no different from the hundreds of guards standing beside you.

I agree on werewolves in their transformation, and vampires who use vampiric only powers. But murder a vampire because it decides to starve itself so it doesn't have to feed on the innocent? No.

Explanation...its the smell. The undead stink of....well death. The more starved you are, the stinkier you get. Maybe the guards should have hounds that can smell vampires out...wouldn't be a big deal for werewolves because of the kinship.

Zershar_Vemod · January 2015

Wasn't it mentioned that this is the first phase of the Justice System?