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k9mouse
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Right Now, the rule stands: If one have a sub, he or she can post on this web site / forum and if one does not have a sub, one can not post*.
Now my questions:
1) In March, who can post here? Only subs? Anyone who brought a box, but do not have a sub? How will that work?
2) Who should have more weight behind their feedback? People who are sub'ing or freeloaders who just buy fluffy items from the store?
*Un-Sub can post here only because they are waiting for their sub to run out and they can they can not post anymore after that until they sub again
Now my questions:
1) In March, who can post here? Only subs? Anyone who brought a box, but do not have a sub? How will that work?
2) Who should have more weight behind their feedback? People who are sub'ing or freeloaders who just buy fluffy items from the store?
*Un-Sub can post here only because they are waiting for their sub to run out and they can they can not post anymore after that until they sub again
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Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Anyone who bought the game. Sub not required. It was confirmed somewhere, but I don't have time to look for that post.
If you buy something, you are not a freeloader, no matter if it's Wrothgar or a jester costume. I don't understand why people feel their $15 for a sub is superior to $15 spent in the cash shop. We're all customers, all of us have the right to express our opinions on the forum.2) Who should have more weight behind their feedback? People who are sub'ing or freeloaders who just buy fluffy items from the store?Edited by Rosveen on January 26, 2015 6:46PM6 -
k9mouse✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anyone who bought the game. Sub not required. It was confirmed somewhere, but I don't have time to look for that post.
If you buy something, you are not a freeloader, no matter if it's Wrothgar or a jester costume. I don't understand why people feel their $15 for a sub is superior to $15 spent in the cash shop. We're all customers, all of us have the right to express our opinions on the forum.2) Who should have more weight behind their feedback? People who are sub'ing or freeloaders who just buy fluffy items from the store?
I do agree to a point. If a person spend $15 every month should have more weight behind his or her feedback (I will talk more about this later).
That $15 dollars can be from a sub or just buying (A LOT OF) Jester clothes. What and how they spend money does not matter, as long that they SPEND money every month.
However, if person only spend at $5 every 2 months vs someone who spend $15 every month. The $15 per month person should have his or her feed back have MORE WEIGHT then a freeloader who spend less money.
In short, more money that one's spend = more value one's feedback should be.
Edited by k9mouse on January 26, 2015 7:12PM5 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
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Let's take it further: a person spending $45 a month on costumes should be taken far more seriously than subbing scrubs too stingy to buy anything in the cash shop.Anyone who bought the game. Sub not required. It was confirmed somewhere, but I don't have time to look for that post.
If you buy something, you are not a freeloader, no matter if it's Wrothgar or a jester costume. I don't understand why people feel their $15 for a sub is superior to $15 spent in the cash shop. We're all customers, all of us have the right to express our opinions on the forum.2) Who should have more weight behind their feedback? People who are sub'ing or freeloaders who just buy fluffy items from the store?
I do agree to a point. If a person spend $15 every month should have more weight behind his or her feedback (I will talk more about this later).
That $15 dollars can be from a sub or just buying (A LOT OF) Jester clothes. What and how they spend money does not matter, as long that they SPEND money every month.
However, if person only spend at $5 every 2 months vs someone who spend $15 every month. The $15 per month person should have his or her feed back have MORE WEIGHT then a freeloader who spend less money.
IMO rating the value of someone's feedback based purely on the money they spend is a fundamentally flawed attitude, but it doesn't matter. This discussion is pointless, we could argue all day long, but ultimately it's out of our hands. It's Zenimax's decision.5 -
KhajitFurTrader✭✭✭✭✭
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Are you sure you really want things to work out like this? Practical issues aside (you'd somehow have to mark or rank posters depending on their spending), what will happen if an individual or group who spends a whole lot more money than you will ever be able to requests/demands a feature which you absolutely loathe? Do you want customer feedback to become a bidding war, because you see yourself, or feel the need to be, on the winning side?
I do agree to a point. If a person spend $15 every month should have more weight behind his or her feedback (I will talk more about this later).
That $15 dollars can be from a sub or just buying (A LOT OF) Jester clothes. What and how they spend money does not matter, as long that they SPEND money every month.
However, if person only spend at $5 every 2 months vs someone who spend $15 every month. The $15 per month person should have his or her feed back have MORE WEIGHT then a freeloader who spend less money.
In short, more money that one's spend = more value one's feedback should be.
It's never wise to artificially discriminate people, to draw arbitrary lines between "us" and "them". In the end, everyone who decides to play this game wants to enjoy it to the maximum of their ability. Everyone has a right to this, and this also includes being equally heard as a customer, no matter how much one decides to spend.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Anyone who bought the game. Sub not required. It was confirmed somewhere, but I don't have time to look for that post.
If you buy something, you are not a freeloader, no matter if it's Wrothgar or a jester costume. I don't understand why people feel their $15 for a sub is superior to $15 spent in the cash shop. We're all customers, all of us have the right to express our opinions on the forum.2) Who should have more weight behind their feedback? People who are sub'ing or freeloaders who just buy fluffy items from the store?
I do agree to a point. If a person spend $15 every month should have more weight behind his or her feedback (I will talk more about this later).
That $15 dollars can be from a sub or just buying (A LOT OF) Jester clothes. What and how they spend money does not matter, as long that they SPEND money every month.
However, if person only spend at $5 every 2 months vs someone who spend $15 every month. The $15 per month person should have his or her feed back have MORE WEIGHT then a freeloader who spend less money.
In short, more money that one's spend = more value one's feedback should be.
No he shouldnt. Paying a sub does not mean you suddenly have the games best interests at heart.
No one is above anyone else. You get your stipend, you get your boosts, you get your loyalty rewards, and you get instant access to the new content. Thats what you get with your sub. You do not get a bigger say in things and you surely dont mean more then the guy using the B2P method.
Cut it out with the elitism nonsense. That B2Per may be spending a hell of a lot more money on the game then you.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax4 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Personally, I think there should be an IQ test and personality profile required before posting. And if you fail those, then a win in this contest:
http://youtu.be/imWlSMgMFGE 0 -
Romo✭✭✭✭They already answered this: who ever has an account can post.
Buy the box, setup an account, go without sub..you still have account.0 -
k9mouse✭✭✭✭✭
✭After more thinking on this some more, I realized my error. Some of this is thinking out, some of is a test to see how others view on this topic (playing devil's advocate), some of it comes a great concern of the change in the type of people who (might) play ESO now.
There is going to be a shift in number of people who are hard core fans vs people who want to change ESO into an other WoW clone. I have great concern about WoW Clone ESO idea. I am just struggling to accept the change that I do not want. Just was looking for a way for the hard core fans to keep ESO pure, instead of mindless masses who want every game into a WoW or COD type game.
Does anyone else have a concern like this?0 -
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✭✭I'm not concerned at the least.
There had been lots of posts suggesting WoW this and WoW that shortly after launch, when the influx of people who were new to the TES franchise was high. Somehow, we survived them all.
So yeah, B2P might just bring another wave of new players (well, hopefully!), who have a very narrow frame of reference and who can't be bothered to think outside of the box. Of course they will happily tell the world that the game would be so much better if it just had this one feature, or that they couldn't possibly continue playing without it. Some will never buy into the idea that they were conditioned to expect certain features. Others might, when properly challenged, be brought to the point where they start reflecting their expectations.
I think that when the point of "letting oneself be captivated by the unique experience that ESO has to offer is key to the enjoyment of it" can be brought across, we're halfway there.
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✭Welcome to thee troll den, like all b2p games buy the game and your in the forums has it should be.0 -
goldnugget✭✭✭if i spend $1500 in the cash shop i should become one of the devs. all the gear will become neon striped and we will have unicorn mounts who fart rainbows. thanks.Edited by goldnugget on January 26, 2015 10:12PM0 -
the idea of a forum isn't entirely based around money as alot of people may seem to think.
the idea is to get information from the player to find out any issues they are having or additions that may be added to help people enjoy the game more.
things that are put in the game are either things the devs wanted to see in the game or something the majority of the forums wanted in the game.0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Right Now, the rule stands: If one have a sub, he or she can post on this web site / forum and if one does not have a sub, one can not post*.
Now my questions:
1) In March, who can post here? Only subs? Anyone who brought a box, but do not have a sub? How will that work?
2) Who should have more weight behind their feedback? People who are sub'ing or freeloaders who just buy fluffy items from the store?
*Un-Sub can post here only because they are waiting for their sub to run out and they can they can not post anymore after that until they sub again
Whoever can scream the loudest on Facebook apparently has the most say regarding the direction of eso.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!1 -
Lynnessa✭✭✭✭I don't agree that whoever spends the most money or the most time playing the game should have the "weightiest" opinions... not even those who provide "services" to ZOS by streaming/blogging/etc about the game. it should just be those whose opinions are the most reasonable and best for the game, as decided by the devs/publisher/whatever.
Edited by Lynnessa on January 26, 2015 11:09PM1 -
Lynnessa✭✭✭✭KhajitFurTrader wrote: »I'm not concerned at the least.
There had been lots of posts suggesting WoW this and WoW that shortly after launch, when the influx of people who were new to the TES franchise was high. Somehow, we survived them all.
Interestingly, I think WoW has taken some ideas from ESO. WoW's newest expansion has pruned down class abilities to the point where each class only really has to use 4-6 abilities; there is also the "target glow" on mouseover now. I'm guessing there are others. WoW is kind of cannibalistic, I guess? It borrows from other games far more than other games borrow from it (except SWTOR--it's a WoW reskin, except for the AWESOME and FREE Galactic Starfighter).
Edit: I've seen posts here that ask why WoW is still sub-based when it seems no other game can do that. I think part of that is market saturation--with gamers jumping from game to game, I imagine that it's difficult for X game company to predict how much revenue will come from subs on a month-to-month basis. Like, one month they have 100000 subs, the next month it dips to 30k, the next month back to 150k, the next month 50k, etc. Without a predictable profit margin, it's impossible to budget resources.
The other part is that WoW came from an already-well-established franchise. This is the same reason that SWTOR continues to do well. And, it is the same reason that I doubt ESO will fail anytime soon, whether it's sub-based or not.Edited by Lynnessa on January 26, 2015 11:17PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Forum posts should require tokens from the cash shop. What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!1 -
Lynnessa✭✭✭✭Forum posts should require tokens from the cash shop.
Haha!
I thought of something else. When ESO is launched on consoles we might see a bunch of console gamers posting here--and I, for one, think that will be a breath of fresh air. They tend to have a different perspective, a different overall personality, than PC gamers and could provide valuable feedback none of the PC players would have thought of.0 -
StaticWax✭✭✭✭The forums have always been a sanctuary, a refuge, a meeting place for intelligent discussion & the sophisticated sharing of ideas. Therefore, I believe that only the elite, the premium members should be allowed beyond the velvet rope that leads to our haven, this shelter that are these forums.
We wouldn't want the riff-raff idling around, mucking things up with their slacked jaws & sloped foreheads, babbling incoherent one syllable grunts to one another.
Please Zen, do not take away our sacred club.Edited by StaticWax on January 26, 2015 11:30PMI wish nothing but joy for everyone.4 -
Grunim✭✭✭✭✭As I first started to read this thread I shook my head and wondered what did some people think the forum rating system should turn into -- replace someone's forum stars with the number of $$ signs indicating how much they pay ZOS??
Come on people, shouldn't all ESO customers have the right to post and participate in the official community? I can understand when this was a subscription game it made some sense to limit forum access, but going forward, once you purchase your initial copy of the game you can play it as much as you like and that should include forum privileges as well.Am a whimsical Generation Jones gamer. Online RPGs hooked me since '94 and no sign of stopping soon...0 -
rawne1980b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Love seeing people say how much money a person spends should determine the value of their opinion.
Allow me to introduce a pin to your bubble .... it won't matter.0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Forum posts should require tokens from the cash shop.
Haha!
I thought of something else. When ESO is launched on consoles we might see a bunch of console gamers posting here--and I, for one, think that will be a breath of fresh air. They tend to have a different perspective, a different overall personality, than PC gamers and could provide valuable feedback none of the PC players would have thought of.
From my experience on another persistent online console MMO all console players bring is a whole lot of "gimmie, gimmie, gimme".What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!1 -
LadyNerevar✭✭✭From my experience on another persistent online console MMO all console players bring is a whole lot of "gimmie, gimmie, gimme".
As if this forum hasn't been that since beta?
Different people have different motivations for their gimmies, of course, but they're all still gimmies.
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Lynnessa✭✭✭✭LadyNerevar wrote: »
Yeah... gaming is a selfish hobby (more of a lifestyle these days, for a lot of folks), and all about "gimmie". Always has been. But then, so are a lot of recreational activities.0 -
rawne1980b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭From my experience on another persistent online console MMO all console players bring is a whole lot of "gimmie, gimmie, gimme".
As a PC gamer I have to correct this.
I get more of that from PC gamers than I see from console gamers.
The Steam forums are a cess pit of "me me me me".0 -
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✭✭I don't agree that whoever spends the most money or the most time playing the game should have the "weightiest" opinions... not even those who provide "services" to ZOS by streaming/blogging/etc about the game. it should just be those whose opinions are the most reasonable and best for the game, as decided by the devs/publisher/whatever.
I would have to agree with this. The worth of a poster should be based on what they say and how they say it, everyone should be given the chance to voice their opinion.
That said, there had better be some handy use of the BanHammer(tm) if people start abusing that privilege, or each other, too much.2