champion system is a leveling system and a better one than some "special" level.

No one wants to kill the big bad guy at end of Main Story only to find out that they are only 1/3rd of way to level cap. This has been hurting game for months. I know numerous people in real life who were OK with paying subscription but bolted as soon as they hit VR1 and realized how far they still were from being competitive in endgame. I know lots of people who enjoyed Levels 1-50 and lots of people who enjoy being VR14. I know hardly anyone who enjoyed VR1 to VR13.

Didn't they say at AMA that they are not gonna have gate levels?

So how in the world is that gonna happen if vr are not removed??

The removal of VR is to remove the need to grind those levels out. The whole having to carry on levelling for another 2 factions worth of content, after beating the end bad guy, felt utterly tacked on and did not feel natural.

People saying to change the level cap to 64, conveniently ignore what a disaster for the game VR levels were. Id be surprised if a single person that thought that was not VR14 and wanted to force everyone to go through what they did.

The vast majority of people who hit VR levels quit before they reached the cap (definitely the case in my guild). It damn near killed the game. Stop clinging to it, just because you persevered.

Removing VR lets players join endgame in a third of the time that they previously needed to put in. How is increasing the pool of players that can take part in end game anything other than a good thing?

I agree with most of the comments here to remove Veteran Ranks. What's worse is how VR take considerably longer to level than say lvl 49 to 50. Add this to the fact we're in limbo right now. ZOS says they will remove them, and it seems to me I'd get more champion points after VR are removed if I save all those "veteran" quests for after the champion system, so why bother leveling beyond VR1? But on the other hand, ZOS can't stick to anything they say, so I doubt they will ever remove them. And why should they? They will soon have XP potions in the cash shop. Why remove such a massive grind when people will buy XP potions to help level through it?

So yes, I think Vet Ranks should be removed immediately, but I don't think they will ever be removed.

it's time for new ideas, I'm tired of that unnecessary unimaginative levels.

The only way to be surely competitive in endgame is to reach max VR rank, which takes a very long time. Not everyone has the time to spend 3 months lvling to VR14.

something needs to be done.

Guppet wrote: »

The removal of VR is to remove the need to grind those levels out. The whole having to carry on levelling for another 2 factions worth of content, after beating the end bad guy, felt utterly tacked on and did not feel natural.

People saying to change the level cap to 64, conveniently ignore what a disaster for the game VR levels were. Id be surprised if a single person that thought that was not VR14 and wanted to force everyone to go through what they did.

The vast majority of people who hit VR levels quit before they reached the cap (definitely the case in my guild). It damn near killed the game. Stop clinging to it, just because you persevered.

Removing VR lets players join endgame in a third of the time that they previously needed to put in. How is increasing the pool of players that can take part in end game anything other than a good thing?

Agreed, I stop playing because of the Veteran Ranked system. When I reach max level I want to gear grind not level grind. Level grinding obsoletes my gear and I don't get a sense of progression.

At this point don't see the benefit in getting rid of them - CP will be in place, you will get to VR14 regardless because you will be getting XP to get CP.

My concern is that with the massive complexity of the changes to all crafts, levels, equipment and so on is something that will take serious dev time and effort. Given that B2P probably means less dev time and less will to do fixes we would be left with a cosmetic change that means nothing or a huge catastrophe that would take months to fix.

Since people are going to have to spend something like 3-4,000 hours to get the full set of CP anyway what does it matter if the first couple of dozen hours also give you VR1-14?

I would have voted for 'No' but equally I see no point in adding more VR levels when CP are intended to be the main progression.

They stated that the phase system was...
1) Introduce a flat rate exp for each veteran level and count the exp towards champion points (5 CP's per veteren level)
2) Introduce the Champion Point system and keep the veteran level flat rate intact so it carries over to CP's uniformly
3) Remove the Veteran Levels and scale the content to a 1-50 level by imposing a multiplicative of .78125 to all content allowing it to properly scale.

The third phase is going to take a bit but it's required since they later realized it was a mistake.

Guppet wrote: »

The removal of VR is to remove the need to grind those levels out. The whole having to carry on levelling for another 2 factions worth of content, after beating the end bad guy, felt utterly tacked on and did not feel natural.
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I agree with this. What was the point of having a level cap at 50 when you have to keep leveling after that? This is one of part of the game that I am disappointed about, and I wish they had done it differently. Hopefully, they will phase out for the VR system altogether.

The Champion system was supposed to be the vertical progression once Vet ranks were removed. This is what was supposedly already decided. In addition, "seasonal gear" was also supposed to be introduced in order to facilitate a sense of vertical progression. Both in PvE and PvP.

The vast majority of players that have already done the V1-V14 grind have no desire to go through it again every time we want to try a different class at endgame. It is a tedious grind. It is incredibly unpopular and the main reason people quit playing ESO.

The entire premise of the Champion System was to be an end result of a different skill system and the removal of veteran ranks. The only reason the CS was even developed in the 1st place was because the current system (including Vet Ranks) was overwhelmingly unpopular.

Removal of Vet Ranks was going to be the final phase of the CS.
So we were told.
But we've been told many other lies in the last few months as well haven't we.