Should ZoS get rid of Veteran Ranks?

Mariiana

Why get rid of Veteran Ranks?
straight to the point, is there any logical reason for ZoS to remove the Vet ranks?
Personally i don't think that any other system could be better than the current system. Not saying that its the best system iv'e seen in an mmo, but it works just fine and there is nothing wrong with it.
I know that, without a doubt, if Vet ranks go away with no new progression system allowing me to "level" up to take its place. ( besides some meager "passives" ) I wont be playing anymore. I think people need to have something more than just little bits of new content here and there.

Vizier

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

passives basically do the same thing as leveling by increasing stats and skills. Ummm, ya, that's pretty much leveling.

Syldayan

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

champion system is a leveling system and a better one than some "special" level.

Gyudan

Why would they add VR10 food if the Veteran Ranks were going away anytime soon?

It's not going to happen. The VR are here for a while.

I_killed_Vivec

No, Its fine how they are, and i want to see Vet 16 soon.

Gyudan wrote: »

Why would they add VR10 food if the Veteran Ranks were going away anytime soon?

It's not going to happen. The VR are here for a while.

I feel sure that's right. ZoS have said they don't want to go through the rebalancing act of 1.6 again anytime soon, and removal of VR would be more of an upheaval than 1.6.

I don't see the problem with VR - people will naturally level up as a by-product of grinding for CP...

And if you prefer Cadwell's then it's an intuitive way of scaling progression as you go through the zones.

Faulgor

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

Of course they have to go ASAP, their existence is totally contrary to their new goal of eliminating level-gated content.

Dagoth_Rac

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

No one wants to kill the big bad guy at end of Main Story only to find out that they are only 1/3rd of way to level cap. This has been hurting game for months. I know numerous people in real life who were OK with paying subscription but bolted as soon as they hit VR1 and realized how far they still were from being competitive in endgame. I know lots of people who enjoyed Levels 1-50 and lots of people who enjoy being VR14. I know hardly anyone who enjoyed VR1 to VR13.

ItsGlaive

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

IF they removed VR as originally planned, making all VR zones a flat 50, all end game (read: post 50 content) could be opened up to do at any time. You could jump between faction zones, head straight to Craglorn or the arena or PVP... it'll open up the game in a way that it just currently isn't. Giving full freedom of choice.

RazielSR

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

Didn't they say at AMA that they are not gonna have gate levels?

So how in the world is that gonna happen if vr are not removed??

ItsGlaive

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

RazielSR wrote: »

Didn't they say at AMA that they are not gonna have gate levels?

So how in the world is that gonna happen if vr are not removed??

They did but that was specifically in reference to the new (already developed and we were supposed to get them anyway) DLC packs

Guppet

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

The removal of VR is to remove the need to grind those levels out. The whole having to carry on levelling for another 2 factions worth of content, after beating the end bad guy, felt utterly tacked on and did not feel natural.

People saying to change the level cap to 64, conveniently ignore what a disaster for the game VR levels were. Id be surprised if a single person that thought that was not VR14 and wanted to force everyone to go through what they did.

The vast majority of people who hit VR levels quit before they reached the cap (definitely the case in my guild). It damn near killed the game. Stop clinging to it, just because you persevered.

Removing VR lets players join endgame in a third of the time that they previously needed to put in. How is increasing the pool of players that can take part in end game anything other than a good thing?

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

You guys know that the vet ranks are removed? And by removed I mean probably (most likely) with 1.7, as this is the last step of their change to the champion system.

(1.7 would also mean that console players don't have to deal with them, which is the most logical thing to do when they are removed anyway.)

Sprinkles28

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

I agree with most of the comments here to remove Veteran Ranks. What's worse is how VR take considerably longer to level than say lvl 49 to 50. Add this to the fact we're in limbo right now. ZOS says they will remove them, and it seems to me I'd get more champion points after VR are removed if I save all those "veteran" quests for after the champion system, so why bother leveling beyond VR1? But on the other hand, ZOS can't stick to anything they say, so I doubt they will ever remove them. And why should they? They will soon have XP potions in the cash shop. Why remove such a massive grind when people will buy XP potions to help level through it?

So yes, I think Vet Ranks should be removed immediately, but I don't think they will ever be removed.

YstradClud

No, Its fine how they are, and i want to see Vet 16 soon.

I quite like the system personally. It was so peaceful in the veteran zones at launch compared to the crowded starter zones. I enjoyed my time in the veteran zones much more. I only have one character too so that's further proof that I prefer the veteran zones despite trying to level an alt or two.

AleriSadasIndoril

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

it's time for new ideas, I'm tired of that unnecessary unimaginative levels.

TheShadowScout

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

I really hope the champion system will come on soon so I can start earning champoin points. And I will not be sad to see all veteran ranks vanish as soon as they get it to work withgout the few inevitable adjustments!,

technohic

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

Xabien wrote: »

IF they removed VR as originally planned, making all VR zones a flat 50, all end game (read: post 50 content) could be opened up to do at any time. You could jump between faction zones, head straight to Craglorn or the arena or PVP... it'll open up the game in a way that it just currently isn't. Giving full freedom of choice.

This.

They really need to be gone ASAP and particularly once the Champion System is in play. Unless they want to repeat their mistakes to an entire new console market.

NobleX35

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

The level cap right now is basically 160. You play 1-50 in your zone and cold harbor. Then, to get to the actual level cap, you have to do that 2 more times and complete an adventure zone. It's the most ridiculous thing that was ever introduced into a game and has been killing this one since day 1. Most everyone I know and gamed with at launch left because of how stupid this vr system is.

With the removal of VR, the content will still be there for you to do as you like, but the level cap won't increase. This will allow players to complete the content at their own pace (if they want), rather than being forced into grinding out essentially another 110 levels.

Cody

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

The only way to be surely competitive in endgame is to reach max VR rank, which takes a very long time. Not everyone has the time to spend 3 months lvling to VR14.

something needs to be done.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

I suspect that the veteran ranks will be gone by the time consoles launch as it will be less work in rebalancing only PC /Mac instead of all four. Rebalancing is not the same as content. I suspect that 1.7 which is the removal of the VR levels will happen in early June... IF not before.

Brittany_Joy

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

Guppet wrote: »

The removal of VR is to remove the need to grind those levels out. The whole having to carry on levelling for another 2 factions worth of content, after beating the end bad guy, felt utterly tacked on and did not feel natural.

People saying to change the level cap to 64, conveniently ignore what a disaster for the game VR levels were. Id be surprised if a single person that thought that was not VR14 and wanted to force everyone to go through what they did.

The vast majority of people who hit VR levels quit before they reached the cap (definitely the case in my guild). It damn near killed the game. Stop clinging to it, just because you persevered.

Removing VR lets players join endgame in a third of the time that they previously needed to put in. How is increasing the pool of players that can take part in end game anything other than a good thing?

Agreed, I stop playing because of the Veteran Ranked system. When I reach max level I want to gear grind not level grind. Level grinding obsoletes my gear and I don't get a sense of progression.

Mettaricana

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

Guppet wrote: »

The removal of VR is to remove the need to grind those levels out. The whole having to carry on levelling for another 2 factions worth of content, after beating the end bad guy, felt utterly tacked on and did not feel natural.

People saying to change the level cap to 64, conveniently ignore what a disaster for the game VR levels were. Id be surprised if a single person that thought that was not VR14 and wanted to force everyone to go through what they did.

The vast majority of people who hit VR levels quit before they reached the cap (definitely the case in my guild). It damn near killed the game. Stop clinging to it, just because you persevered.

Removing VR lets players join endgame in a third of the time that they previously needed to put in. How is increasing the pool of players that can take part in end game anything other than a good thing?

i agree with this guy... vet just sucks... i pulled a tooth once it was far more fun with the rusty pliers than vet rank leveling. and the pay off for pulling it was far better than vet grinding

technohic

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

Seriously; I quit for several months because I couldn't stand it and thats how long it took me to muster up the will to get back to grinding through them some more and I barely keep that going. If it wasn't for the thought that they would be gone soon so if I just earn all the champion points I can from having them leveled up, at least 2 more are not going to be tacked on again before I get to the finish line.

rawne1980b16_ESO

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

A lot of us said it at launch, they were then and are still a terrible idea.

I picked the factions I play because there are certain zones I can't stand. VR (then) sent me to those zones (this was last year, I quit in May and only came back yesterday so any recent changes I don't know about) and I refused to force myself through content I despised.

Going through a story, finishing the last boss and being told to start over again in another factions zones irritated me and bored me to the point of leaving.

VR also killed it for others. It was incredibly boring.

Tavore1138

At this point don't see the benefit in getting rid of them - CP will be in place, you will get to VR14 regardless because you will be getting XP to get CP.

My concern is that with the massive complexity of the changes to all crafts, levels, equipment and so on is something that will take serious dev time and effort. Given that B2P probably means less dev time and less will to do fixes we would be left with a cosmetic change that means nothing or a huge catastrophe that would take months to fix.

Since people are going to have to spend something like 3-4,000 hours to get the full set of CP anyway what does it matter if the first couple of dozen hours also give you VR1-14?

I would have voted for 'No' but equally I see no point in adding more VR levels when CP are intended to be the main progression.

Lynnessa

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

I have found that doing a lot of dungeons gives me xp faster than doing Cadwell's, which feels unnatural to me as well. I wouldn't even do Cadwell's if I didn't want the skyshards & skill points. And if I didn't have an irresistible compulsion to turn everything on the map white. Just a thought.

Darkintellect

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

They stated that the phase system was...
1) Introduce a flat rate exp for each veteran level and count the exp towards champion points (5 CP's per veteren level)
2) Introduce the Champion Point system and keep the veteran level flat rate intact so it carries over to CP's uniformly
3) Remove the Veteran Levels and scale the content to a 1-50 level by imposing a multiplicative of .78125 to all content allowing it to properly scale.

The third phase is going to take a bit but it's required since they later realized it was a mistake.

YstradClud

No, Its fine how they are, and i want to see Vet 16 soon.

The gane wasn't made to be focused on endgame progression. There are other mmos that do that much better. Do you guys honestly think ESO can compete if it follows the traditional cookie cutter formula of WoW?

THammer

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

Guppet wrote: »

The removal of VR is to remove the need to grind those levels out. The whole having to carry on levelling for another 2 factions worth of content, after beating the end bad guy, felt utterly tacked on and did not feel natural.
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I agree with this. What was the point of having a level cap at 50 when you have to keep leveling after that? This is one of part of the game that I am disappointed about, and I wish they had done it differently. Hopefully, they will phase out for the VR system altogether.

GorraShatan

Should be a third option IMHO - "it depends." They need to figure out how to handle items.

Alphashado

Yes, get rid of veteran ranks

The Champion system was supposed to be the vertical progression once Vet ranks were removed. This is what was supposedly already decided. In addition, "seasonal gear" was also supposed to be introduced in order to facilitate a sense of vertical progression. Both in PvE and PvP.

The vast majority of players that have already done the V1-V14 grind have no desire to go through it again every time we want to try a different class at endgame. It is a tedious grind. It is incredibly unpopular and the main reason people quit playing ESO.

The entire premise of the Champion System was to be an end result of a different skill system and the removal of veteran ranks. The only reason the CS was even developed in the 1st place was because the current system (including Vet Ranks) was overwhelmingly unpopular.

Removal of Vet Ranks was going to be the final phase of the CS.
So we were told.
But we've been told many other lies in the last few months as well haven't we.