Please roll back the Vet Levels soon. Torture!

Roechacca · January 2015

You're not alone . I have enough toons to get the 70 CP head start . A lot of people are entertaining them selves at this point with no idea what to save or which way to progress until more is known about 1.6 and .7 . It's frustrating to say the least ...

briandivisionb16_ESO · January 2015

Ahh cmon ZOS pull forward the vet rollback to 1.6

so dull to play knowing it's pointless progress

Iago · January 2015

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

Ahh cmon ZOS pull forward the vet rollback to 1.6 so dull to play knowing it's pointless progress

if it's any consolation they probably lied about when they were going to do the rollback just could happen with 1.6 anyway.

Breg_Magol · January 2015

Cody wrote: »

If it sucks, I go back to WoW
/awaits insults over the fact I used to play WoW

/Thinks-about-insulting-Cody
"Hey WOW player you ... you know what WoW is? It's a ..."
/Thinks-maybe-it's-pointless
"It's an MMO ..."
/Decides-not-to-insult-Cody-after-all
"That's right you heard me ... it's an MMO that has subscribers ..."
/Feels-great-because-I told-him-didn't-I?

Iago wrote: »

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

Ahh cmon ZOS pull forward the vet rollback to 1.6 so dull to play knowing it's pointless progress

if it's any consolation they probably lied about when they were going to do the rollback just could happen with 1.6 anyway.

/Further-introspection-upon-reading-rest-of-thread
"Hmmm ..."
/Decides-to-insult-Iago-instead
"Iago, you're a broken record that's what you are .. quit your belly-aching and fluff off why don't you ... you poor lied to individual"
/Feels-heaps-better
/Wonders-why-people-like-Iago-are-so-commited-to-maintaining-their-rage

AlexDougherty · January 2015

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Volla wrote: »

yea remove the Vet ASAP, who cares if Justice system works or not. I dont like the veteran ranks anyways. it's unnecessary and an overflow and the most stupid level *** i ever saw.

Lets make sure the replacement system works before we get rid of the Vet System.

But you recognize this is something they should put the accelerator all the way to the floor for?

Yes and no, they do need to concentrate on it, but thay should not rush it, it needs to be as perfect as possible, so that it doesn't mess everything up, and chase their customers away.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · January 2015

In my experience, it doesn't seem to matter whether they do things slowly or quickly at ZOS. Everything they have done so far has been full of bugs when it first left their hands. Their internal testing and quality assurance procedures appear to be broken, and they very obviously fail to catch even game breaking errors that affect a majority of their players.

I think they need to formally change the "play test server" to a beta test server, and spend time actually acting on the bug reports people send in before they go live with the changes. I am fed up with beta testing on the live server.

I_killed_Vivec · January 2015

In terms of character progression we're only on hold until 1.6 and CP comes in.

It only makes sense to be doing any meaningful XP gathering if you have finished Cadwells and you're just grinding up to VR14.

When 1.6 comes out I don't see the problem that VR will still be around - you will progress through the ranks while gaining XP, and you'll want XP to get CP.

I think that removal of VR is really a very big deal, and I'm surprised that they aren't doing it before the console release. This makes me think that it will be around for some time yet. VR is intimately tied in to almost all aspects of the game: zone scaling, mob and dungeon scaling, armour and weapons, all aspects of crafting - even the level of potion you can take and food you can eat.

And 1.6 brings in VR10 food. Why add to the VR scaling problem if you are going to remove VR anytime soon?

In fact, despite what they have said (!), I'm not sure that they have a reasonable way forward that will untangle VR, and all aspects of scaling that it provides, from the game.

You leave lvl 49 with Ebony weapons, hit lvl 50 and want (the equivalent of) VR14 Voidsteel weapons? What happens to the intermediary materials? What happens to people progressing through blacksmithing, who are still on lower level materials? You want Monumental glyphs on your lvl 50 armour? Again, what happens to the intermediary levels and crafters progressing through them?

Maybe they will make it so that you "buy" armour/weapon/potion/food levels with CP, but then a brand new lvl50 still won't have access to the finest Voidsteel weapons and Monumental glyphs.

briandivisionb16_ESO · January 2015

You're right but the V14's will be so much more powerful than the V1's and the V1's have no reason to level - may as well play a V14 alt.
- Wish they'd roll back these vr levels soon.

Naivefanboi · January 2015

Aeratus wrote: »

Vet ranks won't disappear until update 1.7. Update 1.6 hasn't even appeared in the PTS yet. So we have at least 2 months, and more likely 3 months before vet ranks disappear.

So unless it takes you 2 months to level a character to v14, there's no reason to stop leveling, especially if you're doing the zone quests, since they give you skillpoints.

ditto this is the problem with the game.

but i dont wanna level.... cause you have no intrest in end game apparently.

no drive to see the veteran dungeons or zones and craglorn trials?
i mean really is the champion points the only reason your leveling? lmao

Naivefanboi · January 2015

Cody wrote: »

1.6 is what will decide if I stay or leave.

If it sucks, I go back to WoW
/awaits insults over the fact I used to play WoW

i used to play wow also. but going back would do no good. why reward a company that dumbd down its product, has a sub and a cash shop... and actually removes content in expansions.....and people eat it up....rofl same with destiny. its amazing

grimjim398 · January 2015

Aeratus wrote: »

Vet ranks won't disappear until update 1.7. Update 1.6 hasn't even appeared in the PTS yet. So we have at least 2 months, and more likely 3 months before vet ranks disappear.

So unless it takes you 2 months to level a character to v14, there's no reason to stop leveling, especially if you're doing the zone quests, since they give you skillpoints.

The 1.6 update will be the last update until at least June; this was confirmed in the reddit discussion with the developers yesterday. You will have to live with the veteran ranks quite a while longer. I won't, since I'm out of here after my sub expires in about ten days.

briandivisionb16_ESO · January 2015

I'm out of here after my sub expires in about ten days.

Looking that way for me too, buddy.

briandivisionb16_ESO · January 2015

roechacca wrote: »

You're not alone . I have enough toons to get the 70 CP head start . A lot of people are entertaining them selves at this point with no idea what to save or which way to progress until more is known about 1.6 and .7 . It's frustrating to say the least ...

This. Basically this.

Torquebow · January 2015

if we could get a confirmation of when they are planning to remove them that would go a long way. I'm having a hard time leveling through them right now, with the thought in the back of my head they will be removed in 2 months. I'm ok with it either way, 2 months or 1 yr but I would really appreciate a ETA on it. So I can plan on what to do accordingly.

briandivisionb16_ESO · January 2015

Torquebow wrote: »

if we could get a confirmation of when they are planning to remove them that would go a long way. I'm having a hard time leveling through them right now, with the thought in the back of my head they will be removed in 2 months. I'm ok with it either way, 2 months or 1 yr but I would really appreciate a ETA on it. So I can plan on what to do accordingly.

Completely agree! Let us in the loop Zenimax!

briandivisionb16_ESO · January 2015

It is kinda urgent for them to roll back VR

Alphashado · January 2015

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

Zeni...? Acknowledge?

There have been multiple threads about this topic and more and more as people become aware that 1.6 has done absolutely nothing to negate the mundane grind of Vet Ranks and Silver/Gold.

Yet we are met with silence. Again. I'm sure you are all well aware what happened the last time the community asked for a response on a hot topic issue and got nothing but silence.....

I don't like it one bit. I don't trust them one bit. Not anymore. I would not be a bit surprised if they have decided to postpone the removal of Vet Ranks until Console Release or even further. In fact I would not be surprised if they changed their minds completely. The introduction of V10 food, along with comments about how there will be very little developmental changes between 1.6 and Console release is proof enough for me. I have learned to ignore what they have said in the past and read between that lines. Sadly that's how they roll.

Lots of people keep saying that they promised to remove Vet Ranks in 1.7 I don't recall seeing that anywhere. The only thing we know is that Vet Ranks are supposed to be gone in the Final Phase of the CS conversion (phase 4).

I don't like it. I am getting the same Vibe I had when all the B2P rumors started. And I made the mistake of defending ZoS there. I won't be that foolish again.

YstradClud · January 2015

The veteran zones seem a lot quieter than when I levelled in them back at launch. I can definitely see why people find it hard to get them done now. I managed to get all the dolmens/dungeons and world bosses done back then though and you really need to get a lot of them done before you can be prepared for the next zone even if you do all the solo quests.

briandivisionb16_ESO · January 2015

All I want to do is compete. But I probably wouldn't have done all the vet zones all over again in the first place, but particularly now with @ZOS saying they are rolling back VR ranks.

Hurry teh fook up!

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · January 2015

ZOS painted themselves into a corner from which they clearly have no real idea how to get out of.

At some point after they admitted to themselves their VR 'vision' (as they called it) was an abject failure in the eyes of the players .. no, I can't prove it but obviously they jettisoned one of their core ideas because the players were embracing it totally

.. the bean counters decided to force the adoption of B2P, so massive development resources had to be diverted to it .. yes, 'massive', the sheer design and development effort for the Store isn't trivial, at all, why else do you think so much promised content took ages to arrive and in the case of Justice, Orsinium and others still hasn't?

Fact is, removing VR totally changes the 50+ game and to some extent eliminates it. Since ZOS still have explained what a post-VR ESO looks like we can only speculate but since the Cadwell's quests are entirely based on VR then those quests clearly have no further purpose .. so just WHAT post-50 content will a post-VR ESO have?

So, with a lack of any real idea where they're going they made some of it up on the hoof .. the interview/stream (whatgever it was) where the Champion System was first mentioned clearly showed this was entirely not thought out at that time .. and then bought themselves time by trying to justify a 'phased' approach to VR removal and the introduction of CPs.

Now we're looking at the removal of VR, when?

Logically it MUST come before the console launch, otherwise ZOS are in an entirely larger world of pain, however with the launch of B2P in March, we can't seriously expect 1.7 to appear before, what, May?

Of course, at this stage there's no reason for us to think the killing off of VR will happen in 1.7, ZOS are refusing to say, just as they still refuse to give any hint of what the game post-50 will be like at that time.

All in all this is simply another example of ZOS totally failure to engage with their players, silence is the order of the day, an ostrich-like burying of the head in the hope the problem will go away.