Should ESO Plus offer a 10% AP booster?

CrazedDark · January 2015

Lhorion wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

No, AP boost is actually P2W (Pay to win) while XP boost only helps you get max level faster.

I don't see the distinction. You get a small boost to XP which means you level faster and get access to skills faster. A small boost to AP and you level faster and get access to skills faster. How are they different?

Fore pvp players like Sypher AP are more important. He does not care about XP. But you are right. It is nearly the same, just in two different areas of the game.

They are nearly the same, but the key is AP's tie to getting Emperor. If there was an AP booster, than those who don't sub will have a hell of a grind trying to get Emperor. There are already people who are against the AP farming, if we had this AP boost, then it would increase more so, due to the advantage subs have over non-subs.

I'd rather not have every time I go to the forums hear how annoying AP farmers are.

Lhorion · January 2015

@CrazedDark‌ What do you mean exactly with "AP farmer"?
People that farm his friends on annother faction again and again? This should be banned and the problem would be (nearly) solved

But you are right. I am a pvp player, too... And i hope there won't be a boost like this. But a XP-boost for getting CPs faster.... Would be massive, too.

CrazedDark · January 2015

@Lhorion An 'AP Farmer', as they're called, are those who set out with only AP in mind, such as setting tower camping, bridge farming, etc. Personally, I think its a genuine and kinda fun part of the metagame. It annoys the crap out of other players, attracts attention, and lowers enemy morale.

My main problem with an AP boost is that it makes it that much harder for a non-sub to get the Emperor status, making subbing closer to Pay-to-Win.

Plus, if it increases AP farming. I don't want to hear it in every new thread on the forums. =n=;

Sotha_Sil · January 2015

why only 10 % let's make it 33 % !

bertenburnyb16_ESO · January 2015

Sypher wrote: »

No, AP boost is actually P2W (Pay to win) while XP boost only helps you get max level faster.

actually XP boost is also P2W with the Champion system comming, getting champ points 10% faster, meaning you'll have higher stats as someone who spend as much time without the boost

Enodoc · January 2015

On principle I would say no, as that seems P2W to me.

However, Since ESO Plus gives a 10% boost to:

Gold, then I would say it's only fair to give a 10% boost to the other in-game currency.
XP, then I would say it's only fair to give a 10% boost to the other measure of character progression.
Inspiration, then I would say it's only fair to give a 10% boost to the other in-game skill measure.

Sypher · January 2015

Curragraigue wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

No, AP boost is actually P2W (Pay to win) while XP boost only helps you get max level faster.

I don't see the distinction. You get a small boost to XP which means you level faster and get access to skills faster. A small boost to AP and you level faster and get access to skills faster. How are they different?

They are different in the sense that, AP can easily be turned into currency, puts you on leaderboards and determines emperorship/end of campaign rewards.

XP on the other hand just pushes you to Max levels faster. As for the 10% increase on your inspiration (champion system) I don't like this because unlike xp, champion points cant be maxed out easily. But the difference would be minor due to diminishing returns.

Oh well, they have to give incentives. I'll personally still be subscribed.

technohic · January 2015

Whoops. I totally voted opposite of what I was thinking.

thelordoffelines · January 2015

If its only a boost AP needed to level your alliance rank, otherwise that 10% increase would make it easier to get on the pvp leader boards and essentially be p2w.

RedTalon · January 2015

Given the membership is already paytowin complete the deal and make it well rounded with a 10 percent bonus for ap gains.

After all those with the 10 percent xp bonus will be grinding out champ points faster so no difference with this, help char progression fully.

Wouldn't like it personally, but don't really care.

Morvul · January 2015

Sypher wrote: »

No, AP boost is actually P2W (Pay to win) while XP boost only helps you get max level faster.

actually, XP boost helps you get CP faster....

Curragraigue · January 2015

Sypher wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

No, AP boost is actually P2W (Pay to win) while XP boost only helps you get max level faster.

I don't see the distinction. You get a small boost to XP which means you level faster and get access to skills faster. A small boost to AP and you level faster and get access to skills faster. How are they different?

They are different in the sense that, AP can easily be turned into currency, puts you on leaderboards and determines emperorship/end of campaign rewards.

XP on the other hand just pushes you to Max levels faster. As for the 10% increase on your inspiration (champion system) I don't like this because unlike xp, champion points cant be maxed out easily. But the difference would be minor due to diminishing returns.

Oh well, they have to give incentives. I'll personally still be subscribed.

Fair point regarding the Emperor boards. As others have said XP will be going towards levelling in the Champion System. If they could disable boost gains from leadership boards calculations would people be more okay with it? That is a query for everyone and not just Sypher.

Currently levelling Alliance Ranks takes a long time. Leaving aside Emperor boards something that can help speed up levelling to access the skills and passives in the Alliance skill tree seems to me to be a similar goal to getting people to max level so they can be on a more level playing field in PvP.

FYI Sypher watched your last NB video after I heard you had killed some guildies in it. Loved it, (the video not the killing of DC) nice work.

Enodoc · January 2015

Curragraigue wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

No, AP boost is actually P2W (Pay to win) while XP boost only helps you get max level faster.

I don't see the distinction. You get a small boost to XP which means you level faster and get access to skills faster. A small boost to AP and you level faster and get access to skills faster. How are they different?

They are different in the sense that, AP can easily be turned into currency, puts you on leaderboards and determines emperorship/end of campaign rewards.

XP on the other hand just pushes you to Max levels faster. As for the 10% increase on your inspiration (champion system) I don't like this because unlike xp, champion points cant be maxed out easily. But the difference would be minor due to diminishing returns.

Oh well, they have to give incentives. I'll personally still be subscribed.

Fair point regarding the Emperor boards. As others have said XP will be going towards levelling in the Champion System. If they could disable boost gains from leadership boards calculations would people be more okay with it? That is a query for everyone and not just Sypher.

Currently levelling Alliance Ranks takes a long time. Leaving aside Emperor boards something that can help speed up levelling to access the skills and passives in the Alliance skill tree seems to me to be a similar goal to getting people to max level so they can be on a more level playing field in PvP.

FYI Sypher watched your last NB video after I heard you had killed some guildies in it. Loved it, (the video not the killing of DC) nice work.

Yeah, that would work for me. Leaderboards don't count the boost. A nice idea. (Equally, I think the Champion System should not count the boost in XP either.)

Kybotica · January 2015

Absolutely not. Unless they found a new way to decide emperorship, this would be a terrible idea. Adding a 10% boost would also likely result in them selling 10%boost items for other players. That is the definition of pay to win. If AP weren't a currency and didn't have any effect on something as vital to PvP as emperorship, it wouldn't be an issue. As it stands now, this wouldn't be a good plan. I think their reasons for not including AP boosts are likely as stated above.

Perphection · January 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

AP is currency, XP isn't.

Since when is gold not currency? You're aware there is a 10% Gold increase right? You need to be more informed before commenting on posts I think.

Yusuf · January 2015

Every time someone gets crowned emperor in a competitive campaign people would brush it off and say it was due to the AP-boost, ergo he paid to win.

So no, i don't think we should ever have an AP-Boost in any kind of way because it would totally kill competitive PVP.

TheLaw · January 2015

This only problem with this is it could affect who gets emperor. I guarantee people would think it were pay to win.

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO · January 2015

I voted no because it would be pay to win.

While Xp boosts are pay to win too, but to a lesser degree as you gain personal power faster but it doesn't impact other players.
However, Ap is not only a form of xp but also a currency that can help you buy military resources to help win the war.
If you can buy more siege equipment and more repair kits than the opposition, then you have more chances of winning in an attrition war.

I'd like AP to be sheltered from this whole business model ordeal.

Iggybot · January 2015

I suggested that they add the 10% boost to AP on the reddit AMA and Paul Sage replied it's a good suggestion and they will look into it. Considering it's not there now, I'd imagine the devs thought of this debate.

tonemd · January 2015

Did I miss something? Is AP not PVP currency anymore? Sure it goes to your Emp score but more AP = more money for siege, full soul gems, camps (if they come back) etc. Its the very definition of Pay2Win.

Plus being EMP gives you and your faction BIG bonuses. So now someone can just stay boosted then push for emp? Again, P2W.

Pancake-Tragedy · January 2015

Perphection wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

AP is currency, XP isn't.

Since when is gold not currency? You're aware there is a 10% Gold increase right? You need to be more informed before commenting on posts I think.

The OP compared XP and AP, not AP and Gold. I'm against having additional gold acquisition as well...

Faster currency acquisition is definitely a step towards P2W.

seancaputo_ESO · January 2015

I would pay a monthly fee for PVP, and they can keep the PVE B2P. If I had that choice, I would drop PVE and pay 14.95 a month just for PVP, Add Arena's and more Gear. Better yet, get rid of the damn level B.S and make it like FPS. Increase tools for Emp to coordinate faction and raid leader chat system.

Lionxoft · January 2015

LonePirate wrote: »

One of the perks of being an ESO Plus subscriber is the +10% XP booster you will receive. Unsurprisingly, no mention of Cyrodiil or PVP was included in the ESO Plus announcement.

Should ESO Plus offer a +10% AP booster as well?

Pay to be emp... lolz

kevlarto_ESO · January 2015

no to ap boosters but exp is ok

Fi'yra · January 2015

Sypher wrote: »

No, AP boost is actually P2W (Pay to win) while XP boost only helps you get max level faster.

I voted yes, but I forgot it can be used as currency, ops.

FallenProphet · January 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

AP is currency, XP isn't.

But they are also giving us %10 gold gain which is also currency.

Pancake-Tragedy · January 2015

FallenProphet wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

AP is currency, XP isn't.

But they are also giving us %10 gold gain which is also currency.

Right and here is my follow up comment to that...

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

AP is currency, XP isn't.

Since when is gold not currency? You're aware there is a 10% Gold increase right? You need to be more informed before commenting on posts I think.

The OP compared XP and AP, not AP and Gold. I'm against having additional gold acquisition as well...

Faster currency acquisition is definitely a step towards P2W.

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO · January 2015

Objectively, all of those boosts are p2w.
But they mostly apply to your own character only.

But Ap would be the worst. It's not only a form of xp and a currency, but it is a currency that can buy you siege and other tools that actually impact the battlefield.

ToRelax · January 2015

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »

Objectively, all of those boosts are p2w.
But they mostly apply to your own character only.

But Ap would be the worst. It's not only a form of xp and a currency, but it is a currency that can buy you siege and other tools that actually impact the battlefield.

With gold you can buy it all as well if you want. Even the things the vendor will only sell for exp, players can give you for gold.

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO · January 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »

Objectively, all of those boosts are p2w.
But they mostly apply to your own character only.

But Ap would be the worst. It's not only a form of xp and a currency, but it is a currency that can buy you siege and other tools that actually impact the battlefield.

With gold you can buy it all as well if you want. Even the things the vendor will only sell for exp, players can give you for gold.

That's why I said it's all p2w. AP boosts are worse because they cut the intermediaries.