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I'll sum up what we've paid for over the past year:
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OrangeTheCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. Game-breaking bugs. The game launched with so many broken quests many of us couldn't progress for weeks (even months in some cases). We saw these bugs during the Beta, screamed and yelled that the game could not launch with so many broken quests, and it did anyway. Remember, you were a paying customer while ZOS took the time to work these out; they didn't fix them before launch. You were paying $15 a month for quests that were KNOWN to be broken during the Beta. The game launched with KNOWN broken quests, and you got charged while they fixed them.
2. Lackluster UI design. Guild functionality, guild stores, group-finder tool, etc. All of these are woefully lacking to the point of being broken (group finder is universally despised). One year in and UI is pitiful.
3. Poor game performance. If you PvP you know this too well. Cyrodiil is in a perpetual state of lag and crashes and boots. This has been the case since Day 1 despite literally every set of patch notes claiming to have "fixed" performance in Cyrodiil.
4. Craglorn. That's it. That's the "content" you got for an entire year's subscription. One new zone, a couple of mini raids, oh and some veteran modes of dungeons sprinkled in. One. Year's. Content.
5. Dyes and guild tabards. Oh yay!
That's it. That's what your entire year's subscription got you. If you had fun while playing, great, I am genuinely happy for you. But that doesn't excuse the lack of REAL content that was given while the Developers were putting our cash toward developing content that would be B2P.
And this for me is the issue. We didn't get much for our money over the last 9 months. I expected that at the very least bugs that were identified during beta would be fixed before the game began the slow downward slide towards non-sub-only payment models. I expected pve and pvp performance fixes, a working lfg tool, etc. OP forgot to mention we did get a *** kiosk trading system, a broken lfg tool, inability to do much in the way of questing with our friends, etc.
I had some fun so I don't want any money back. But I don't want to invest any more of my time into this game given where it is heading and I don't feel that ZOS deserves to be rewarded for this any longer by my continuing to pay them a sub.6 -
IceDread✭✭✭I conquer with OP.
Zenimax fooled us big time. Thou I did have a lot of fun from time to time, except for when the bugs broke the game a lot in the start especially and I hate them for forcing me to go throu the other zones pve quests to get skill pts and up in vr lvl, was / is extremely tedious.1 -
EJRose83✭✭✭✭✭We've paid for so much more than what you listed, OP. Take for example Wrothgar, Murkmire, The Clockwork City, Mephela's Web, The Imperial City, Spellcrafting, The Dark Brotherhood and The Thieves Guild
In all seriousness, we've completely funded the development of these with our subscriptions. Unfortunately, we'll have to pay for them again when they're released as DLC =/ Whatevs though, whatevsEdited by EJRose83 on January 22, 2015 3:42PM- Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent =D
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭The fact that the forum mods are not even closing rage quit threads is very worrisome in and of it'selfThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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I have to totally agree with the OP. Keep in mind lower Craglorn was well under development before launch so I have trouble even considering that developer time spent exclusively post-launch. Also the revamping of VR dungeons is something that in hindsight is troubling. Normally in MMOs we don't see the revamping of older content till MUCH later in the game's life as developers and the company struggle financially to keep the game fresh without having to invest in NEW content. You can bet these were bandaids for the lackluster amount of content we got since launch. Sadly all this B2P has unfolded so quick for a game that is still so new it is scary to think about the "road ahead". They can sugar coat it all they want but I'm not buying it - pardon the pun. I, like most on these forums, care about this game immensely because we do enjoy it or want to enjoy it and want it to succeed. Yes many of us paid and continue to pay our subs and as such we have EVERY right to discuss the issues we have with the game negative and positive. There is NO DOUBT developer time was spent and is being spent rolling out this B2P while we sit around grinding relatively old content, continue to fight with bugs, class balance issues or enduring atrocious lag in PvP. I, like some, plan to stick around for a bit yet and see if this potential train wreck can be avoided but rest assure if we don't get any content between now and the summer most of us will be gone and I would assume for good.MAIN
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daneyulebub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is like if Skyrim had suddenly, half way through, turned into Farmville.
Despite enjoying what I'd played so far, I'd still feel like the dev's completely ripped me off. Even if they refunded me 50%, they'd still have caused me to waste my time building up a character, investing in crafting, then pulled the rug out.
MMOs aren't like other games--people put in a lot of time and effort in them for the long term. Saying, "oh well, you had fun while it lasted, what are you crying about?" is missing the whole point of what an MMO is and why people play them.
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The argument that "you paid for a service that you received." is very much ignorant when regarding the history and concept of MMOs.
The "deal" has always been that you pay for prelaunch development with the box price and the the subscription is for the on-going improvement of the game.
If it weren't the case, the value is simply not there, no matter how good the game is. Servers and maintenance staff are at most a couple euros per month, probably less for most players. 15 euros is a ripoff in that context.
The majority of your sub money, in any game, goes to maintaining and paying development staff. Engineers, artists and other services (marketing , hr, etc) in order to upgrade the game.
We effectively paid for the development of the few known DLCs and, unless those 100 crown per month subed allow us to unlock permanently all 6, we're going to have to pay for them again if we want to play them.
In the end, people are right to feel tricked.
The main selling points of ESO for an MMO player were "we're going to remain sub" and "we're focused on doing RvR." both of which turned out false after launch.
Despite all the fun and general quality of the game, the great lore and setting, despite the actual improvement that occured, the game is objectively better now and mostly fixed, this whole ordeal is still a massive bait and switch.
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✭✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »This is like if Skyrim had suddenly, half way through, turned into Farmville.
Despite enjoying what I'd played so far, I'd still feel like the dev's completely ripped me off. Even if they refunded me 50%, they'd still have caused me to waste my time building up a character, investing in crafting, then pulled the rug out.
MMOs aren't like other games--people put in a lot of time and effort in them for the long term. Saying, "oh well, you had fun while it lasted, what are you crying about?" is missing the whole point of what an MMO is and why people play them.
Not possible, as you can't get the time back. Makes something that could have been great, much like everything else...
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
Kilandros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »
We might disagree over Daedric Summoning, but damnit I agree with you here!Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0 -
Mercurio✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »Then why did you continue to pay? Sorry, I have no sympathy since you could have stopped paying, waited for that content to be fixed, then resumed.
I continued to subscribe because I thought the game was headed in the right direction. They lied, I was fooled, whatever. Unsubbed and uninstalled.
This is the best response ever, perfectly sums up my feelings. MMOs are all about hope for the future, and investment in what the game will become. That's why we support them at their imperfect launches.
Personally, after the last few years of bait and switch, it's not happening again. All MMOs will be temporary F2P cash grabs and I'm avoiding them.1 -
Sallington wrote: »Then why did you continue to pay? Sorry, I have no sympathy since you could have stopped paying, waited for that content to be fixed, then resumed.
I continued to subscribe because I thought the game was headed in the right direction. They lied, I was fooled, whatever. Unsubbed and uninstalled.
This is the best response ever, perfectly sums up my feelings. MMOs are all about hope for the future, and investment in what the game will become. That's why we support them at their imperfect launches.
Personally, after the last few years of bait and switch, it's not happening again. All MMOs will be temporary F2P cash grabs and I'm avoiding them.
Exactly this.
Someone mentionned the notion of lemon business.
Pretty much, the publishers are games after games destroying their market. With those practices, eventually no game will be able to be sold at launch as the "smart move" will be to just wait for the eventual free to play switch.
The issue here is that ZOS was very forward and vocal about how much they appreciated the subscription model and intended on making the best of it.
This was a selling point for many of the most hardcore players that came from the MMO crowd.
The same can be said of AvA supposed to be a core element of the game and being completely discarded sicne launch.Seriously, the Imperial City is a bugfix, not an addition.
Anyway, with all this, faith and trust have been broken and goodwill lost.3 -
Metrobius✭✭✭How do so many of you revise the past so easily? When we bought and subscribed to ESO, we did it with a list of promises made by ZOS in mind. They didn't come through on them, lied about many things and now we see that they delayed our promised content to make cash shop items.
we were not just paying for access to the game. We were promised that our subscription would include new content on a 4-6 week schedule. Now we find that most of that promised content will be cash shop fodder.
We were lied to.4 -
OrangeTheCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »
We might disagree over Daedric Summoning, but damnit I agree with you here!
It happens. Gracious of you to say so.0 -
If I wanted a cheap MMO and a crown shop w/ half ass content I would have download one to my cell phone.3 -
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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The guild store search is a bit lacking yes. Really needs some kind of way to remember search settings across stores.
You need this SIR, http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info695-AwesomeGuildStore.html
It does exactly what you asked..
Um Yes your Welcome
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dietlime✭✭✭✭3. Poor game performance. If you PvP you know this too well. Cyrodiil is in a perpetual state of lag and crashes and boots. This has been the case since Day 1 despite literally every set of patch notes claiming to have "fixed" performance in Cyrodiil.
I would bet my *** either your software or hardware blows, because for the last 6 months I haven't had issues in PvP beyond occasional desynchs which only occur once every 3-5 hours and only during the largest battles.
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