Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

I'm excited for the store to be honest. New outfits, cool mounts etc. What's not to like? It's gonna be the exact same game as it is now only I'll be getting 1500 free monies for cosmetics and swag.

The only thing I'm not too keen on (and I'm probably in a minority here) is the XP boosts. These kinds of things have a tendency to overlevel the player too quickly and trivialize content. I'd honestly like an option to disable the XP boost, so I can relax and enjoy the story without getting too far ahead of the power curve.

Perhaps if the XP/crafting boosts were soul-bound consumables instead of automatically applied...?

but anyway, that's just me... as I said, I'm quite stoked for the goodies in the store and I have no intention of letting my subscription lapse.

What's not to like? Seriously? They took our money for the game, took our subs and said, "You will have access to all content in game at no additional charge!" Then what they did was use our sub fees to create content and a cash shop that we now can only access by purchasing with extra payments in a cash shop. The question really should be, "Why are so many people happy to pay extra for things we were told we would have access to by paying our sub fee?" If they want to keep their word and not lie to us subscribers should have access to an in game equivalent to the cash shop selling the same items for in game gold.

You realize your Forum Tag from Paul Sage contradicts your whining…

"You buy the game, pay the sub and all content is available to you."

Guess what, that is still true.

How is it true that all content is available to me if I pay my sub fee if have to pay an additional $15 for a guar mount, $10 for a pet or $5 for costumes that should have been available in game? We were told one thing, they did something else. To me that sounds like a lie.

The mounts, pets and costumes are purchasable by "crowns"… the currency you earn if you continue to subscribe, like all of you had been planning to all along before any of this stuff happened.

The lie would be if you cease subscribing and feel that now everything should be handed to you since new content was promised under a sub in the first place.

The mount and pets prior to this were already in the current Cash Shop or earned by purchasing via stream, or being at a tradeshow or on a live stream of ESO.

Why don't you OP tell me how this is more for me as a player, and I mean more that is meaningful? I don't want anything that's sold in the crown shop. I don't need a 10 percent bonus to any of the experience, etc; I am perfectly content with the rate of progression. I was already entitled to all the new content. What this gets me is a new influx of players who didn't think this game was worth their subscription fee, many of whom will make the game experience stink like a sewer. Along with the good people will come hordes of trolls. I don't know if you were here for the month when play was free, just after launch, but it was a pretty miserable experience in many ways.

Furthermore, since all the people who said this game was going to abandon the subscription model were right, I have to believe that they're also right when they say that the B2P model will pretty quickly erode to a pay to win model that makes the game completely untenable.

Not to mention the fact that there are loads and loads of games that operate under this pay model or a similar one, so why should I stick with this one, especially since I've already played 95% of the content other than PVP? So I can wear a fancy hat or ride a senche? All that stuff sounds like Disneyland. Talk about your break in immersion. I don't want to see stupid player mounts and gaudy costumes and all the idiocy that will come with the crown shop.

Why should I pay to support this company any more? It's bad enough I have to pay for thirteen more days of this crap, but at least that will give me time to delete the rest of my characters. Fine, this move makes a lot of you happy. I'm too old to risk any more time on this game when I don't see any good coming from it. I might as well play Dragon Age for a while, or try some other single player game where I don't have the annoyance that this game will soon be filled with.

The combination of tactless and non-committed newbies in a game with the Justice System that's coming? Count me out. And I know that my presence won't be missed, and that's fine. The presence of all of you in my life won't be missed either, so we're pretty much even.

grimjim398 wrote: »

Why should I pay to support this company any more? It's bad enough I have to pay for thirteen more days of this crap, but at least that will give me time to delete the rest of my characters. Fine, this move makes a lot of you happy. I'm too old to risk any more time on this game when I don't see any good coming from it. I might as well play Dragon Age for a while, or try some other single player game where I don't have the annoyance that this game will soon be filled with.

The combination of tactless and non-committed newbies in a game with the Justice System that's coming? Count me out. And I know that my presence won't be missed, and that's fine. The presence of all of you in my life won't be missed either, so we're pretty much even.

Was looking for something witty to put here, but then I remembered the scene in that movie… you know the one with Buscemi with the gun, the heels and the lipstick? Where he was gonna shoot up the reunion until he got a phone call with an apology from whats his face?

Anyone remember what that movie was?

grimjim398 wrote: »

Why should I pay to support this company any more? It's bad enough I have to pay for thirteen more days of this crap, but at least that will give me time to delete the rest of my characters.

Go ahead, cut off your nose to spite your face. Seems a little melodramatic to me, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

grimjim398 wrote: »

I might as well play Dragon Age for a while, or try some other single player game where I don't have the annoyance that this game will soon be filled with.

See, it's this kind of attitude that makes me wonder if it's not the paying elitists that are the terrible people with bad attitudes, rather than those that just want to play for free.

You're convinced the game will turn to ***, without even giving it a chance. You're taking your ball and going home. Very mature. I'll take 10 free players over 1 paying player with a holier-than-thou attitude anytime, thanks.

Miszou wrote: »

grimjim398 wrote: »

Why should I pay to support this company any more? It's bad enough I have to pay for thirteen more days of this crap, but at least that will give me time to delete the rest of my characters.

Go ahead, cut off your nose to spite your face. Seems a little melodramatic to me, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

grimjim398 wrote: »

I might as well play Dragon Age for a while, or try some other single player game where I don't have the annoyance that this game will soon be filled with.

See, it's this kind of attitude that makes me wonder if it's not the paying elitists that are the terrible people with bad attitudes, rather than those that just want to play for free.

You're convinced the game will turn to ***, without even giving it a chance. You're taking your ball and going home. Very mature. I'll take 10 free players over 1 paying player with a holier-than-thou attitude anytime, thanks.

You make your choice, I'll make mine. You'll get your 10 free players and then some, and like I said, I won't miss you any more than you'll miss me. This game touted itself as being aimed at us paying elitists, as you call me, if that's your idea of a fair epithet for someone who pays a subscription. If you think my attitude is bad, wait till the game is entirely two-tiered between paying subscribers and players who play for nothing. As for taking my ball and going home, you can politic all you like in your comments, but there's nothing childish about deciding you don't like the way a business model is headed, and I don't have any obligation at all to give this game one more second of my life than I want to. You don't like the fact that people are leaving the game over this? Tough for you. I already know what the new players are going to be like; I'm not guessing; the new player zones are full of them - half-wits who want to talk about the size of women's breasts or how drunk they are or spam the channel with abuse, and who run around the banks spamming AOE spells all day. That times one hundred in my guess. Holier-than-thou? If that's what it looks like to you, what do I care?

grimjim398 wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

grimjim398 wrote: »

Why should I pay to support this company any more? It's bad enough I have to pay for thirteen more days of this crap, but at least that will give me time to delete the rest of my characters.

Go ahead, cut off your nose to spite your face. Seems a little melodramatic to me, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

grimjim398 wrote: »

I might as well play Dragon Age for a while, or try some other single player game where I don't have the annoyance that this game will soon be filled with.

See, it's this kind of attitude that makes me wonder if it's not the paying elitists that are the terrible people with bad attitudes, rather than those that just want to play for free.

You're convinced the game will turn to ***, without even giving it a chance. You're taking your ball and going home. Very mature. I'll take 10 free players over 1 paying player with a holier-than-thou attitude anytime, thanks.

You make your choice, I'll make mine. You'll get your 10 free players and then some, and like I said, I won't miss you any more than you'll miss me. This game touted itself as being aimed at us paying elitists, as you call me, if that's your idea of a fair epithet for someone who pays a subscription. If you think my attitude is bad, wait till the game is entirely two-tiered between paying subscribers and players who play for nothing. As for taking my ball and going home, you can politic all you like in your comments, but there's nothing childish about deciding you don't like the way a business model is headed, and I don't have any obligation at all to give this game one more second of my life than I want to. You don't like the fact that people are leaving the game over this? Tough for you. I already know what the new players are going to be like; I'm not guessing; the new player zones are full of them - half-wits who want to talk about the size of women's breasts or how drunk they are or spam the channel with abuse, and who run around the banks spamming AOE spells all day. That times one hundred in my guess. Holier-than-thou? If that's what it looks like to you, what do I care?

I've played plenty of free-2-play games, and some of them are worse than others, sure. Dragon Nest was bad, but others like Path of Exile, Firefall, Tera are nothing like what you're describing. And yes, I played Tera while it was sub-only and kept my sub running once it went free-2-play and the world didn't end.

If a game is good, I'll play it. But I don't base that judgement on whether or not there's a paywall to keep out the "half-wits", as you so eloquently put it. Fortunately, I'm in the position where I can afford to buy and subscribe to games that I like, but many others don't have that opportunity.

I have no issues with a cosmetic-based cash shop model (pay-2-win aside), and I'll gladly dump cash into it if I feel I'm getting fair enjoyment from the product. A monthly subscription just streamlines the process, and as soon as I'm done with a game I can cancel my sub and move on.

The idea that you somehow deserve a sanitized online gaming experience, free from the peasants and ruffians, just because you have the disposal income that others do not, is quite honestly mind-boggling. Yes, it's elitist. And yes, I think that you (and everyone else like you) is over-reacting by doing things like deleting all your characters, unsubscribing and throwing hissy fits all over the forums.

It's ridiculous. If the game is good - play it. If it's not, just move on. There's no need to insult people that can't afford (or don't want to pay) a monthly sub, any more than there's a need to postulate worst-case scenarios and bail out before you've even seen what's available in the new store.

grimjim398 wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

grimjim398 wrote: »

Why should I pay to support this company any more? It's bad enough I have to pay for thirteen more days of this crap, but at least that will give me time to delete the rest of my characters.

Go ahead, cut off your nose to spite your face. Seems a little melodramatic to me, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

grimjim398 wrote: »

I might as well play Dragon Age for a while, or try some other single player game where I don't have the annoyance that this game will soon be filled with.

See, it's this kind of attitude that makes me wonder if it's not the paying elitists that are the terrible people with bad attitudes, rather than those that just want to play for free.

You're convinced the game will turn to ***, without even giving it a chance. You're taking your ball and going home. Very mature. I'll take 10 free players over 1 paying player with a holier-than-thou attitude anytime, thanks.

You make your choice, I'll make mine. You'll get your 10 free players and then some, and like I said, I won't miss you any more than you'll miss me. This game touted itself as being aimed at us paying elitists, as you call me, if that's your idea of a fair epithet for someone who pays a subscription. If you think my attitude is bad, wait till the game is entirely two-tiered between paying subscribers and players who play for nothing. As for taking my ball and going home, you can politic all you like in your comments, but there's nothing childish about deciding you don't like the way a business model is headed, and I don't have any obligation at all to give this game one more second of my life than I want to. You don't like the fact that people are leaving the game over this? Tough for you. I already know what the new players are going to be like; I'm not guessing; the new player zones are full of them - half-wits who want to talk about the size of women's breasts or how drunk they are or spam the channel with abuse, and who run around the banks spamming AOE spells all day. That times one hundred in my guess. Holier-than-thou? If that's what it looks like to you, what do I care?

Think maybe the childish part came from you posting it like you did instead of just going away?

Reads like you are just standing on the roof whizzing on everyone.

Grasshopper wrote: »

So if you think of it, here is a question for you guys.

What do you lose for staying subscribed to ESO like you have been?



As of right now in the current upcoming system, they are allowing users who bought the game to join the game while at the same time anyone who has subscribed or stays subscribed added bonuses. Meaning the rewards from staying subscribed is the same content we would have gotten under the old system, plus the added buffs that you do not usually have.

On a flip note, we DO NOT have a perspective of the value of the items in the crown store. For all we currently know, the amount of crowns you get for currently being subscribed could buy you a vast majority of the store.

As a small disclaimer though, if you add any Pay2Win elements to the crown shop you will see the community come down like 100,000 nova's on a single mudcrab. (I know just from past experience)

Otherwise, I am not really against this system because anyone who is subscribed is only gaining content to the game, while at the same time it opens up the community to new players.

Community thoughts? Keep it clean though, Jyggalag is watching this thread and he demands order ^-^

earning mounts and pets from in game. that is for the cash shop now. just like wow and almost every other mmo.

Call it what ever you want. As long as they are not selling items that give others an edge, I DO NOT CARE.

Razzak wrote: »

It's not just about how much value you have with your sub. It's also what you can do outside of cash shop. After all, cash shop has to compete with those that make and sell items with crafting and who do you think ZOS will favor in their future development?

alchemy nerf incoming, once cash shop has settled in, and second or third wave of items is on its way, cash shop potions will get a buff or alchemy will get a nerf. im going with alch nerf

Zed wrote: »

We heard you like to give us money so we made a system so you can give us more money while you give us money.

, and more people can give us their money too.

I would add the above and say that's a pretty good assessment of what's going on here. Some people would say it's a very sound business decision.

I dont need 10% crafting research (already research all traits in all professions)
I dont need 10% crafting inspiration either
10% exp increase lets see how CS works but I lvl to VR14 w/o grinding when the experiene gain was pretty bad in VR.
So you are saying I will have more crowns therefore by the end of the 1st month I dont have anything else to spend my crowns on since I have everything in the store. Not true. I think items will be pretty expensive.
Now lets see how much the DLC will cost. Cause if I continue to pay will be 15 dollars a month. And then at the end of the year when the next DLC comes up its cost only $25. Pretty fair right.

Grasshopper wrote: »

So if you think of it, here is a question for you guys.

What do you lose for staying subscribed to ESO like you have been?

depending on the release frequency of DLCs between 30 and 60$.