Buying crowns with in game gold?

ashlee17 · January 2015

Before this new change in payment policy, as a subscriber I could access everything in the game for in game gold. Under the new system some new content (yes new mounts and costumes are content) will be in avalible to me unless I pay extra on top of my monthly sub. I propose a compromise. Let ESO plus subscribers be able to trade in game gold for extra crowns. Subscribers could then access all content for no extra cost and zenimax could retain more subs as well as having a great gold sink.

Vikestart · January 2015

No! Everyone should have to pay for crowns in real world currency regardless of whether they already pay a sub.

No, it would significantly degrade the value of ESO Plus.

UrQuan · January 2015

ashlee17 wrote: »

Under the new system some new content (yes new mounts and costumes are content) will be in avalible to me unless I pay extra on top of my monthly sub.

This is not necessarily true. A paid monthly sub includes 1500 Crowns per month, so depending on how much is available in the store, and how much it costs, you might be able to get it all without paying extra. I mean, probably not, but it's possible... In theory...

UrQuan · January 2015

Vikestart wrote: »

No, it would significantly degrade the value of ESO Plus.

Wait, how would allowing ESO Plus subscribers to buy Crowns with in-game gold degrade the value of ESO Plus? Wouldn't it do the opposite?

ashlee17 · January 2015

Yes! Reward subscribers with the ability to trade in game gold for crowns.

UrQuan wrote: »

Vikestart wrote: »

No, it would significantly degrade the value of ESO Plus.

Wait, how would allowing ESO Plus subscribers to buy Crowns with in-game gold degrade the value of ESO Plus? Wouldn't it do the opposite?

My thoughts exactly.
Maybe they misunderstood the question.

Cody · January 2015

id actually rather convert crowns to gold:/

k9mouse · January 2015

No! Everyone should have to pay for crowns in real world currency regardless of whether they already pay a sub.

The store is and should be a close loop system. If we can use ingame gold, that just leads to more bots. The store needs and it is based on real money. Thus, a gold farmer can not abused it.

Blud · January 2015

Maybe instead...

The question should be:

If this game is following the GW2 model of the gem store, will we be able to buy in game gold with crowns?

And if so, what will that do to the economy and crafting?

Will this incentivize ZOS to make a more global auction house system to cash in on any crown/gold exchange?

I know for a fact that people still support gold farmers and buy gold in ESO, sad to say. Why wouldn't ZOS want to cash in on this?

k9mouse · January 2015

No! Everyone should have to pay for crowns in real world currency regardless of whether they already pay a sub.

Blud wrote: »

The question should be:

If this game is following the GW2 model of the gem store, will we be able to buy in game gold with crowns?

And if so, what will that do to the economy and crafting?

Will this incentivize ZOS to make a more global auction house system to cash in on any crown/gold exchange?

I know for a fact that people still support gold farmers and buy gold in ESO, sad to say. Why wouldn't ZOS want to cash in on this?

Gold Farmers are the worst aspect of *ANY* MMO game. ZOS should design a system so it is not easy to be abused. Make it hard the Gold Farmers! It is MMO 101...

Epona222 · January 2015

Why on earth would they allow buying crowns with in-game gold? You seem to forget that this is not some fun gimmick for players, it will be Zeni's way of making money (IRL money as in $/£ etc.) - that does not happen if you can buy the things using in game gold. Get out your credit card, or go without.

MornaBaine · January 2015

Yes! Reward subscribers with the ability to trade in game gold for crowns.

I am of the opinion that ANYTHING available in the cash store must also be available for in-game gold. At least to those who pay a sub.

ashlee17 · January 2015

Yes! Reward subscribers with the ability to trade in game gold for crowns.

I just want to have the same acess to items as I had before this change. It benefits those with 'a credit card' and disadvantages those who actually have the time and drive to earn rewards in game.

i have no problem paying a monthly sub. My credit card is already out, but I can only take so much

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2015

ashlee17 wrote: »

Before this new change in payment policy, as a subscriber I could access everything in the game for in game gold. Under the new system some new content (yes new mounts and costumes are content) will be in avalible to me unless I pay extra on top of my monthly sub. I propose a compromise. Let ESO plus subscribers be able to trade in game gold for extra crowns. Subscribers could then access all content for no extra cost and zenimax could retain more subs as well as having a great gold sink.

No opening up an attachement of Ingame Money to Cash Shop opens up P2W.

Zebular · January 2015

No! Everyone should have to pay for crowns in real world currency regardless of whether they already pay a sub.

No, keep both currencies separate. You get free crowns each month and to interchange them will upset the economy and provide avenues for illegal activities.

ashlee17 · January 2015

Yes! Reward subscribers with the ability to trade in game gold for crowns.

I suppose you guys are right. I didn't think about the possible implication of increasing bots and gold sellers. I would rather go without the new mounts then see the game destroyed by bots/gold farming.

In an ideal world I would still like to have acess to everything in the game for the price of my sub, but I guess that world is no longer tamriel.

Ourorboros · January 2015

Yes! Reward subscribers with the ability to trade in game gold for crowns.

No opening up an attachment of Ingame Money to Cash Shop opens up P2W.

Not necessarily, it all depends on whether ZOS was honest and sticks to what was said on Twitch, which was no P2W items.

As for using in-game gold for crowns, it depends on how they set prices in the Crown Shop. If a new guar mount costs 42,000 crowns, well you'd have to be subbed quite a while before you save enough for it. And that's assuming there is nothing else in the shop that grabs your interest. In that case, yes, I want to be able to convert in-game gold to crowns. On the other hand, if a guar mount (or whatever) costs 6000-9000 crowns, I could live with a short delay in gratification. It's all just wait and see at this point.

Blud · January 2015

Maybe instead...

ashlee17 wrote: »

I suppose you guys are right. I didn't think about the possible implication of increasing bots and gold sellers. I would rather go without the new mounts then see the game destroyed by bots/gold farming.

In an ideal world I would still like to have acess to everything in the game for the price of my sub, but I guess that world is no longer tamriel.

Maybe it's Scamriel.

/joke

daemonios · January 2015

No! Everyone should have to pay for crowns in real world currency regardless of whether they already pay a sub.

No gold->crown conversion.

No trading of store-bought items.

If any of these are put in the game, I'm out. It's impossible to fight real-money-traders / botters / gold farmers if they are in the game, and the game economy will be destroyed if this happens.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

ashlee17 wrote: »

Before this new change in payment policy, as a subscriber I could access everything in the game for in game gold. Under the new system some new content (yes new mounts and costumes are content) will be in avalible to me unless I pay extra on top of my monthly sub. I propose a compromise. Let ESO plus subscribers be able to trade in game gold for extra crowns. Subscribers could then access all content for no extra cost and zenimax could retain more subs as well as having a great gold sink.

You've missed the point of the Cashshop and the crowns, it's a way of generating money.

So this poll is pointless since they will always require you to buy them with cash, that's the point.

Enodoc · January 2015

Meh... Whatever....

Don't really mind. The only thing they must never do is this:

Cody wrote: »

id actually rather convert crowns to gold:/

Then it becomes Pay2Win.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

Don't really mind. The only thing they must never do is this:

Cody wrote: »

id actually rather convert crowns to gold:/

Then it becomes Pay2Win.

Not quite, gold has little point past a certain amount in ESO.
But it would wreck the ingame economy completely.

Slurg · January 2015

Yes! Reward subscribers with the ability to trade in game gold for crowns.

Since there will be things only available for purchase with crowns through the crown store and not available for purchase with in game gold, I'd love to have the chance to trade a few hundred thousand gold for a pile of crowns.

But I don't think it'll ever happen since there's too high of a chance exploiters will find a way to exploit it and most importantly it would cut down on the cash flowing in.

Edit: I'm one of the people who's been hoarding gold for the future promises of new mounts and housing. My question is, now that new shiny things are going cash shop only (at least for the foreseeable future) is in game gold going to be less valuable now?

mamericus · January 2015

Yes! Reward subscribers with the ability to trade in game gold for crowns.

UrQuan wrote: »

This is not necessarily true. A paid monthly sub includes 1500 Crowns per month, so depending on how much is available in the store, and how much it costs, you might be able to get it all without paying extra. I mean, probably not, but it's possible... In theory...

I am terribly sorry, but you are deluded if you think 1500 crowns will amount to much. I apologise, I don't mean to insult. But what people do not seem to grasp here is that B2P/F2P (whatever you want to call it - CASH SHOPS) is a model designed specifically for the purpose of maximizing revenue through micro-transactions. This system is no different; it dreadfully resembles LotRO's model, in which you would get 1500 Turbine Points a month for being a subscriber. You know how much a mount cost in the Turbine Store in that game? 2000 TP. This game will be no different. I'm afraid people who expect to make this transition without spending more money on the game that they already were are about to be unpleasantly surprised.
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EDIT: Turbine however, actually had an answer for this that would actually be equivalent to what the OP is suggesting. In LotRO you could earn Turbine Points through gameplay aside from purchasing them. Paying in-game gold for crowns would be similar to this. That way people who still want to pay $15/month ONLY and still have unrestricted access to ALL game content through gameplay, can. I would open another thread and make this suggestion but at this point ZoS seems pretty hell-bent on digging deep into your pockets.

WraithAzraiel · January 2015

Blud wrote: »

The question should be:

If this game is following the GW2 model of the gem store, will we be able to buy in game gold with crowns?

And if so, what will that do to the economy and crafting?

Will this incentivize ZOS to make a more global auction house system to cash in on any crown/gold exchange?

I know for a fact that people still support gold farmers and buy gold in ESO, sad to say. Why wouldn't ZOS want to cash in on this?

Nope, they stated in the video yesterday they're not allowing the conversion of Crowns into gold.

UrQuan · January 2015

mamericus wrote: »

I am terribly sorry, but you are deluded if you think 1500 crowns will amount to much. I apologise, I don't mean to insult.

Um, did you somehow miss the part where I said:

UrQuan wrote: »

you might be able to get it all without paying extra. I mean, probably not, but it's possible... In theory...

As in it's theoretically possible that the 1500 Crowns will be able to buy you a lot, but I obviously don't believe that it will actually turn out that way...

Not sure how you missed that part of my post (which was actually kind of the entire point of my post), considering you actually quoted it.

ndantony · January 2015

No! Everyone should have to pay for crowns in real world currency regardless of whether they already pay a sub.

Nope. And never. People start exploit the system if crowns can be bought by golds.

Tavore1138 · January 2015

No! Everyone should have to pay for crowns in real world currency regardless of whether they already pay a sub.

Crowns being bought for gold = gold farmers delight, lets not invite them back any more than is already liable to happen.

Mounts and Imperial have always been buyable and having 'vanity' items cost Crowns might feed ZOS cash without spoiling the game.

What you seem to be asking for is F2P and F2B too.

Vikestart · January 2015

No! Everyone should have to pay for crowns in real world currency regardless of whether they already pay a sub.

ashlee17 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Vikestart wrote: »

No, it would significantly degrade the value of ESO Plus.

Wait, how would allowing ESO Plus subscribers to buy Crowns with in-game gold degrade the value of ESO Plus? Wouldn't it do the opposite?

My thoughts exactly.
Maybe they misunderstood the question.

Oh, I missed the part about it being exclusive to ESO Plus members. It thought the OP meant everyone, which would have resulted in what I said.

However, I still disagree with the suggestion. This one of the reasons:

k9mouse wrote: »

The store is and should be a close loop system. If we can use ingame gold, that just leads to more bots. The store needs and it is based on real money. Thus, a gold farmer can not abused it.

eisberg · January 2015

Blud wrote: »

The question should be:

If this game is following the GW2 model of the gem store, will we be able to buy in game gold with crowns?

And if so, what will that do to the economy and crafting?

The great thing about Guild Wars 2 Gem to Gold/Gold to Gem system, is that both the gold and the Gems are coming from the players themselves. So when someone is using Gems to buy Gold, the gold they are getting is actually from other players. In fact, GW2's system, actually takes Gold out of the economy, it in fact does not add gold to the economy. Currently, it costs 1 Gold 58 Silver to buy 11 Gems, where as if you want to buy gold with Gems, for 11 Gems you get 1 Gold. So really, they are talking 58 Silver out of the economy for every 1 gold bought with Gems. This is good, prevents huge gold inflation, it is a gold sink, which every MMO needs.

Imryll · January 2015

No! Everyone should have to pay for crowns in real world currency regardless of whether they already pay a sub.

mamericus wrote: »

I am terribly sorry, but you are deluded if you think 1500 crowns will amount to much. I apologise, I don't mean to insult. But what people do not seem to grasp here is that B2P/F2P (whatever you want to call it - CASH SHOPS) is a model designed specifically for the purpose of maximizing revenue through micro-transactions. This system is no different; it dreadfully resembles LotRO's model, in which you would get 1500 Turbine Points a month for being a subscriber. You know how much a mount cost in the Turbine Store in that game? 2000 TP. This game will be no different. I'm afraid people who expect to make this transition without spending more money on the game that they already were are about to be unpleasantly surprised.

So you save up for that special mount--just as you might save up in real life or to buy a mount from an in-game stable. It's silly to characterize all the items in the shop as things that would have been available as part of the base game if they weren't changing the business model. Many of the items wouldn't have been available at all. I suspect you're right that 1500 crowns won't go that far, but they should enable players to pick up a fun item now without spending any additional money. As always, if you don't manage your money and make lots of impulse purchases, you may find you can't afford the items you really want.

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