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Will you stay subscribed or leave altogether after the B2P transition?
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Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Staying. I'm going to subscribe for ESO Plus.Alphashado wrote: »Alphashado wrote: »
I believe GW2 has/had lockboxes. They are incredibly annoying. Your bags just fill up with them and the only way to open them is with a key you buy from the cash shop. You can ignore them, choose not to open them etc, but they are everywhere and they are a constant reminder that if you whip out your credit card you could get a special prize. Which usually turns out to be nothing.
Well worry not, they confirmed on reddit they won't be adding lockbox type items to the store
They also confirmed that the subscription model was here to stay. Several times. Sorry, but at this point, "confirmation" means less than nothing to me. At the end of the day it will be the suits upstairs that make the decisions and clearly promises and confirmations have been broken.
They never confirmed it was here to stay. You must have some interesting ears/eyes if you heard/read that anywhere.
They always said they intended to stay P2P. They never promised on their Scouts Honor. Get over it.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax5 -
Orious13✭Staying, but not subbing to ESO Plus.I'm a bit pissed off that we played a console beta for a year, but I'll probably be back after I cool off a bit and my friends get back on.
Also there's grad school in the way.
Now I know how RIFT/STO/SWTOR /AOC players felt.
Can't wait to do it all again for Crowfall...0 -
Razzak✭✭✭✭✭BlueIllyrian wrote: »What makes you think that increased revenues for ZOS equal more content for players?
Because more investment = more content. That's the way it's been for every product out there.
What if that is mostly cosmetic content. Like in swtor where majority of new things that came after F2P conversion, are Cartel market stuff.0 -
Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm going to let my remaining time convert to the new ESO plus model and then decide from there. If I'm still having fun and like the new subscription model, I'll keep it. If I'm not enjoying it, I won't. There are still a lot of unknown variables like how is the game community going to change, etc.
But since I haven't even been able to try it out yet I can't make an informed decision.Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
Remembering better days of less RNG in all the things.0 -
IceDread✭✭✭Staying, but not subbing to ESO Plus.Right now I opted for staying and not paying, it's not that the fee is of importance, it's because I do not know what I'd get for the cash.
Exactly what will the new purchasable cash be possible to be used for?
What are the dlc's?
Will this be Rift all over again where it's now p2w? I do not think so, but I'm asking.1 -
BlueIllyrian✭✭✭eonowakb16_ESO wrote: »The payment model is completly unimportant in the end. The bigger question is, will Zenimax continue with the great improvement through great updates on a short time basis still? Will the focus on group play? Will they look for PvE and/or PvP? Will the focus on solo-games content? The content counts - and not how you pay it. That will decide about the future of the game.
Of course they will, like all the other cash shop games that are known for their quality and rich content.
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Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Staying, but not subbing to ESO Plus.
average is closer to 2months not 6 weeks. really doubt its gonna go any faster lolwhiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »I am gonna stay and see what it looks like in 3 mos time, one of my chief questions will be, When will the New DLC's come out now ? Will they still be every 6 weeks or now quarterly, etc
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭Staying, but not subbing to ESO Plus.BlueIllyrian wrote: »What makes you think that increased revenues for ZOS equal more content for players?
Because more investment = more content. That's the way it's been for every product out there.
game history indicates other wise.
every game going F2P or B2P had a severe decline in actual contend extensions, as every developer is creating new shiny stuff for the cash shop.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"1 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Staying, but not subbing to ESO Plus.Lord_Kreegan wrote: »Look... this game is 99% solo play anyway. What's going to change as they go to the F2P/B2P model?
Nothing.
Oh, sure, eventually it'll go downhill like all of these games do after one of these transitions. That's pretty much guaranteed. But it's not going to happen overnight... in fact, based on other games, I supect it'll be a couple of years before it goes down the toliet.
In any case, after the disastrous release, what did anyone expect? Development teams don't release in that state because they want to; development teams don't want the deplorable reviews, the discredit to their reputations, or the dissatisfaction of their customers. They release in that state because of pressures from investors... as in, "You're over budget and behind schedule! Release now or else!"
There's no catching up afterwards, try as they may... so, inevitably, games end up going F2P/B2P.
If you're surprised, you have nobody to blame but yourselves. Sorry. If you can't recognize marketing-speech and learn to distrust it, then eventually you're going to buy gold, get a reverse mortgage, tell your doctor to switch you to some pharmaceutical that will eventually kill you, buy an electric car, buy a pocket hose, contact Fender-Bender-Gender-and Mom to handle all of your legal problems, vote for a politician who's good at making speeches and nothing else, hire a tax accountant to file a short form, get a huge life insurance policy (you know you have to die to collect, right?), trade your brand new perfectly good car in for some other brand just because it's red, sign up for diet foods that will be prepared and brought to your door... etc., etc., etc.
There's no such thing as a good deal. Once you realize that, you won't necessarily only buy good products, but you won't be surprised when a product isn't as good as advertised.
I apologize for pontificating... but people need to take responsibility for their own purchase decisions. Companys exist to make a profit, not to make you happy.
cool story bro, thats why some are not subbing. not that is matters theyll make more money then ever now just off rotating new players lol.
good luck getting thieves guild/DB before 2016. imperial city? lol doubt we see it by fall.by all means prove me wrong ZOS id love to eat my words just as i have defending you 0 -
AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Staying. I'm going to subscribe for ESO Plus.Waiting to see how it actually turns out0 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Staying, but not subbing to ESO Plus.Alphashado wrote: »If there are in-your-face reminders about the cash shop like lockboxes or flashing icons, I am done. There will be nothing more ironic than flashing cash shop icon on a UI that was left bare for "immersion".
good call cant wait to see it lol0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Staying. I'm going to subscribe for ESO Plus.I'm completely relaxed about the change in business model, and aim to continue with the game as my main MMO home in the long term. Also, the changes make it more likely that my son will also now play the game as his work arrangements don't really lend themselves to a fixed subscription but with the new model he can just buy the box and dip in and out of the game as time permits.Edited by Tandor on January 22, 2015 1:18PM0 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Staying. I'm going to subscribe for ESO Plus.Im staying sub, will give it time to see the direction it goes.
Right now with the tidbits of info we have, nothing is concrete yet. I am willing to be flexible and see how things go.
Besides, I can't wait to own all the newbies in Cyrodiil with the "Beta Black Alliance" hahah, that alone will be good times.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Staying. I'm going to subscribe for ESO Plus.After looking over all the materials they provided... I will be moving over to ESO Plus simply because I get to due to an existing subscription.
I want to see what the prices look like. There is a tradeoff between buying the DLCs and getting them for free with a subscription.
This is different from the old subscription model where I never had the option to purchase the DLC. If they roll up DLC content into the base game as the game ages then subscription is the way to go. Otherwise it is not any easy decision since it might be cheaper to go a la carte.
My gut instinct, based on how poorly they are marketing the subscriptions and how excited they are about the Crown Store, is that they want the Crown Store to be where people spend most of their time, and money. Subscriptions will likely cut into the Crown Store revenue. The 1500 Crowns/mo may be similar to an allowance for a child.Edited by Elsonso on January 22, 2015 2:02PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Staying. I'm going to subscribe for ESO Plus.Staying. Been here since the beginning. I have to give it a go, and see how it goes first.0 -
Aiko✭✭✭I have no choice!
I still can't get over the fact that it doesn't say I have IMP edition, everyone is worrying about nonsense when the real issue here is this; am I the only one that is listed as having the "retail standard edition" as opposed to my glorious physical collectors edition with an even more glorious physical book.
But yes, I can't be bothered to cancel my sub so I'll just keep it going as it's less effort. Plus, Zeni is wonderful.
Never noticed it - but i have the same issue
Also bought the Retail Imperial Edition.. meeh
Not sure what to do.. but for now.. unsubbed.
Me is very dissapointed. I feel betrayed..
From 11:50 he totally gets to the point what's wrong with this whole shiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z76ZdGCjtAw Edited by Aiko on January 22, 2015 1:48PMFast is fine, but accurate is final.0 -
Mission✭✭✭BlueIllyrian wrote: »What makes you think that increased revenues for ZOS equal more content for players?
Because more investment = more content. That's the way it's been for every product out there.
Wrong...
Look at swtor, More money came in from their ftp game. And the amount of content released out of the cartel shop has dropped. It has became longer intervals between content outside of the shops release
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Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Leaving. God forbid that ZOS make more revenue and give us better updates!As has been said many times by many people, once the cash shop becomes the revenue source, that's where the development effort goes. The game itself becomes a loss leader, dlc "rental" doesn't bring roi, we will see more and more game altering items in the cash shop. I will stake my professional reputation on eso being p2w within a year.
ZoS has proven themselves a company without integrity, we have zero reason to believe that they will be the 1st gaming company to place the quality of a b2p mmo equal to the almighty dollar.
I'm already out. I'll log back on 2/6 for my 1 year anniversary.
Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche1 -
reften✭✭✭✭✭Staying. I'm going to subscribe for ESO Plus.i'd bet 99% of those 18% stay subscribedReften
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Moonlight Crew (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Victorem Guild
VR16 NB, Stam build, Max all crafts.
Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.
Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.
Love the Packers, Bourbon, and ESO...one of those will eventually kill me.0 -
Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭Leaving. God forbid that ZOS make more revenue and give us better updates!As has been said many times by many people, once the cash shop becomes the revenue source, that's where the development effort goes. The game itself becomes a loss leader, dlc "rental" doesn't bring roi, we will see more and more game altering items in the cash shop. I will stake my professional reputation on eso being p2w within a year.
ZoS has proven themselves a company without integrity, we have zero reason to believe that they will be the 1st gaming company to place the quality of a b2p mmo equal to the almighty dollar.
I'm already out. I'll log back on 2/6 for my 1 year anniversary.
This is very well said.
But, of course, those of us who are unsubbing/have unsubbed for these very valid reasons are only "throwing a temper tantrum," or "acting like children" or some other nonsense.
I unsubbed yesterday. Went ahead and found a couple friends who are still playing to give my more valuable "stuff" to, so it wouldn't go to waste, wished my still-playing friends happy adventuring in Tamriel, and logged out for the last time.
I have no desire to watch the game and the community slowly decline, and I have zero reason to believe that won't happen. I do, however, have plenty of evidence from other games/companies going down this same predictable path that this is exactly what will happen.
So I made a decision. I didn't say anyone else should make the same decision, only why I made it for myself. Yet still, I'm a "moron," a "whiner," etc. I'm not a "diehard fan." Etc, etc.
It's funny that most of the people doing the name calling are those who are staying. That bodes well for the remaining community, huh?Edited by Ahdora on January 22, 2015 2:29PMHeals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP2
