Aye, I do think that games publishers sometimes forget that their player base is not entirely made up of very naive 10 year olds who still think Santa and the Tooth Fairy are real.

I noticed this during the ESO live. They kept mentioning how the bonus' and ability to purchase via a store would be "so nice because I just don't have time to keep up!" It felt forced and rehearsed. They're smart guys, they knew what type of MMO they were advertising upon release by 1.) having a sub and 2.) not including a store. This overly emphasized rationalization for why the store is "going to be great" really looks like night and day compared to pre-release interviews.

Whether it was an income issue or the inability for them to reach an accord with Sony/Microsoft about subscription fees I kind of wish they wouldn't have gone far with trying to spin it as a much needed alleviation of stress for the games population.

Vis wrote: »

It's insulting to our intelligence when you go overboard trying to spin something.

I know how I can be smarter look at my powerful brain:

Vis wrote: »

Instead of coming out in an honest and forthright manner, everything I read from ZOS about these changes has been "rainbows, sunshine, and candy." They talk as though they are doing all of us a favor. Where is the candidness? The assurances? The pow wow time?

It's insulting to our intelligence when you go overboard trying to spin something.

One of my high school coaches had a saying I feel best fits this situation:

"Stop pis**ng on my face and telling me it's rain"

LMAO so they should be sad and depressed when doing these news releases?

Yeah. HOKAY MR SNOWFLAKE.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Instead of coming out in an honest and forthright manner, everything I read from ZOS about these changes has been "rainbows, sunshine, and candy." They talk as though they are doing all of us a favor. Where is the candidness? The assurances? The pow wow time?

It's insulting to our intelligence when you go overboard trying to spin something.

One of my high school coaches had a saying I feel best fits this situation:

"Stop pis**ng on my face and telling me it's rain"

LMAO so they should be sad and depressed when doing these news releases?

Yeah. HOKAY MR SNOWFLAKE.

The irrational fanboy is strong in this one.

Kilandros wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Instead of coming out in an honest and forthright manner, everything I read from ZOS about these changes has been "rainbows, sunshine, and candy." They talk as though they are doing all of us a favor. Where is the candidness? The assurances? The pow wow time?

It's insulting to our intelligence when you go overboard trying to spin something.

One of my high school coaches had a saying I feel best fits this situation:

"Stop pis**ng on my face and telling me it's rain"

LMAO so they should be sad and depressed when doing these news releases?

Yeah. HOKAY MR SNOWFLAKE.

The irrational fanboy is strong in this one.

I think that's the case, actually. The sad and depressed part. But they got to play their part, nonetheless. Which in turn just makes it worse. I wouldn't want to be in their place, having to grin and bear it.

I feel honest pity, when I see them acting like that.

They do this because it works on the majority.

TheLaw wrote: »

They do this because management thinks it works on the majority and they were ordered to.

fixed

Mettaricana wrote: »

as much as i like free stuff i prefer pay to play mmo's but as many have acknowledged the subscription age of gaming is over... im just sucking it up keeping my sub and not being cheap about it and continuing business as usual only now with an exp,gold,inspiration buff.

^This.

If/when this game transitions to the very dark grey area of "convenience" items, and I start to feel like I have to buy an item to keep up, then I'll leave. Until then, I'll just enjoy it and take my choice of pet or mount with their crowns they give me. I understand the concerns of the way the cash shop may transition, and it sucks, but no point in stopping playing until that really happens.

I personally think the cash shop will go this way, but really, maybe it will take 2 years for that to happen. Might as well enjoy it while its not.

Vis wrote: »

Instead of coming out in an honest and forthright manner, everything I read from ZOS about these changes has been "rainbows, sunshine, and candy." They talk as though they are doing all of us a favor. Where is the candidness? The assurances? The pow wow time?

It's insulting to our intelligence when you go overboard trying to spin something.

One of my high school coaches had a saying I feel best fits this situation:

"Stop pis**ng on my face and telling me it's rain"

Agree completely. The thread they started asking us what kind of things we want to see in the cash shop...insulting. The answer is nothing. We didnt ask for this, like Matt Fioriererr or what ever his stupid name is, said we did.

The stream was actually kind of sad. That VP of PR and Marketing dude we never saw asking them questions like "huhh huh, say something nice about this".

Maybe we're projecting our feelings on them, but it felt like they were really uncomfortable and when not the focus of the attention kind of dead inside.

It was also all kind of pointless since no one except current hardcore customers would be watching the livestream. Yet, a lot of it was addressed to console players or non subscribers, essentially people not yet invested in the game enough to watch a 1h30 min livestream about the game.

I'd like to see current subscriber numbers. Even trends over the past few months. I severely doubt that the game was not making a profit.
An honest approach like "we need to do this cash grab or we go under" would have been acceptable if backed by proof, but this whole masquerade of "we're doing you guys a solid" is just insulting.

.