This truly was a paid Beta test

Kilandros · January 2015

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching. You charged us an entire year of subscription fees to develop content that you were intending to make free.

Roechacca · January 2015

Thought this would be the return of a good mmo . I was wrong .

Etem · January 2015

Agreed.

This is so disappointing.

AshySamurai · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching.

LoL! At least something funny. Your post really make me LOL!! The longest paid beta test.

knoxcoshane · January 2015

So... Disappointed! I hope they get what they asked for!
Guess its time to find somewhere else to spend my money

AshySamurai · January 2015

knoxcoshaneub17_ESO wrote: »

So... Disappointed! I hope they get what they asked for!
Guess its time to find somewhere else to spend my money

Go Titanfall (lol). At least they said about B2P model from the beginning.

staticstorm · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching. You charged us an entire year of subscription fees to develop content that you were intending to make free.

type in /played or /age what ever the time command is and see how many hrs you played vs the money spent.

I bet you got your moneys worth.

Kilandros · January 2015

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching. You charged us an entire year of subscription fees to develop content that you were intending to make free.

type in /played or /age what ever the time command is and see how many hrs you played vs the money spent.

I bet you got your moneys worth.

Considering I just paid about $180 so that ZOS could launch a polished, B2P version of this game, right now I don't feel like I got my money's worth.

ThyIronFist · January 2015

Yeah, this is sad. I recently came back after a two month break, I have been playing since early access, and this is just an insult to loyal subscribers.

What a joke.

We'll probably get a stupid vanity pet for our beta testing.

UPrime · January 2015

Nobody said you had to sub and play. You could have waited it out until the features you wanted were available and then joined.

Kilandros · January 2015

UPrime wrote: »

Nobody said you had to sub and play. You could have waited it out until the features you wanted were available and then joined.

With that kind of attitude it's hardly a surprise the analysts at ZOS felt emboldened enough to charge a sub fee for that entire year. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free, right?

staticstorm · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching. You charged us an entire year of subscription fees to develop content that you were intending to make free.

type in /played or /age what ever the time command is and see how many hrs you played vs the money spent.

I bet you got your moneys worth.

Considering I just paid about $180 so that ZOS could launch a polished, B2P version of this game, right now I don't feel like I got my money's worth.

how many hrs you played in 1 year ? I'm betting over 180hrs so you paid 1$ per hour of entertainment or less, if you didn't enjoy it you wouldn't have subbed.

I paid 30 for the game and 3 months sub played around 50 hrs over 3 characters, I feel I got my money's worth.

TheBull · January 2015

We got *** robbed.

Kilandros · January 2015

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching. You charged us an entire year of subscription fees to develop content that you were intending to make free.

type in /played or /age what ever the time command is and see how many hrs you played vs the money spent.

I bet you got your moneys worth.

Considering I just paid about $180 so that ZOS could launch a polished, B2P version of this game, right now I don't feel like I got my money's worth.

how many hrs you played in 1 year ? I'm betting over 180hrs so you paid 1$ per hour of entertainment or less, if you didn't enjoy it you wouldn't have subbed.

Seems like a subjective test, particularly when you consider the news: It sounds like I could have enjoyed all of those hours at about $0 per hour of entertainment, like new players will be able to.

Wow, that's a much better deal!

staticstorm · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching. You charged us an entire year of subscription fees to develop content that you were intending to make free.

type in /played or /age what ever the time command is and see how many hrs you played vs the money spent.

I bet you got your moneys worth.

Considering I just paid about $180 so that ZOS could launch a polished, B2P version of this game, right now I don't feel like I got my money's worth.

how many hrs you played in 1 year ? I'm betting over 180hrs so you paid 1$ per hour of entertainment or less, if you didn't enjoy it you wouldn't have subbed.

Seems like a subjective test, particularly when you consider the news: It sounds like I could have enjoyed all of those hours at about $0 per hour of entertainment, like new players will be able to.

Wow, that's a much better deal!

over 1 year later, ppl paid 50£ for AC unity a week later it was 25£.

again 1year of playing time in the game vs 1 year not, did you enjoy your time ?

billp_ESO · January 2015

ESO was always planned to be a console game. The limited action bar, the ridiculous linear inventory, all screamed console. I think they planned B2P for consoles from the start. The PC sub was basically a paid beta test.

If they had struck it rich with PC subs, perhaps they may have changed their strategy, but I doubt it.

Kilandros · January 2015

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching. You charged us an entire year of subscription fees to develop content that you were intending to make free.

type in /played or /age what ever the time command is and see how many hrs you played vs the money spent.

I bet you got your moneys worth.

Considering I just paid about $180 so that ZOS could launch a polished, B2P version of this game, right now I don't feel like I got my money's worth.

how many hrs you played in 1 year ? I'm betting over 180hrs so you paid 1$ per hour of entertainment or less, if you didn't enjoy it you wouldn't have subbed.

Seems like a subjective test, particularly when you consider the news: It sounds like I could have enjoyed all of those hours at about $0 per hour of entertainment, like new players will be able to.

Wow, that's a much better deal!

over 1 year later, ppl paid 50£ for AC unity a week later it was 25£.

again 1year of playing time in the game vs 1 year not, did you enjoy your time ?

1 year playing time paying to develop the final game. No, in retrospect I didn't enjoy being a paid beta tester. Isn't that quite clear from my original post?

cravnbeer · January 2015

I agree.
I feel like I just got taken for what was a paid beta.

staticstorm · January 2015

billp_ESO wrote: »

ESO was always planned to be a console game. The limited action bar, the ridiculous linear inventory, all screamed console. I think they planned B2P for consoles from the start. The PC sub was basically a paid beta test.

If they had struck it rich with PC subs, perhaps they may have changed their strategy, but I doubt it.

Guess gw2 is a console game aswell. Style and design = console games now ?
I mean think of them neverwinter online ppl with the limted skill bar, and now its on console that to was an beta test for xbone !

ArconSeptim · January 2015

Totally feel you

Sallington · January 2015

roechacca wrote: »

Thought this would be the return of a good mmo . I was wrong .

100% agree. This will probably be my last MMO. All faith, lost.

Kilandros · January 2015

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching. You charged us an entire year of subscription fees to develop content that you were intending to make free.

type in /played or /age what ever the time command is and see how many hrs you played vs the money spent.

I bet you got your moneys worth.

Considering I just paid about $180 so that ZOS could launch a polished, B2P version of this game, right now I don't feel like I got my money's worth.

how many hrs you played in 1 year ? I'm betting over 180hrs so you paid 1$ per hour of entertainment or less, if you didn't enjoy it you wouldn't have subbed.

Seems like a subjective test, particularly when you consider the news: It sounds like I could have enjoyed all of those hours at about $0 per hour of entertainment, like new players will be able to.

Wow, that's a much better deal!

over 1 year later, ppl paid 50£ for AC unity a week later it was 25£.

again 1year of playing time in the game vs 1 year not, did you enjoy your time ?

Also, just FYI, but I took about 6 months off because the bugs and the performance in this game were so bad. But I kept my sub fee active because I believed in the game, wanted to support it, and wanted to return when the Champ system launched. Well here I am, ready to return with the Champ system, hoping that the game has finally found its legs--and it's going B2P.

morvegil · January 2015

OUTRAGE

Humanistic · January 2015

It's like they didn't take into account the legal repercussions. This is ridiculous.

Humanistic · January 2015

I feel like I just bought the last SWG expansion and the NGE got released the next day.

Kilandros · January 2015

Humanistic wrote: »

It's like they didn't take into account the legal repercussions. This is ridiculous.

There are no legal repercussions--they were well within their rights, so let's not even start that.

But the company has lost a lot of goodwill with its fans and players. That can be hard to get back.

Naivefanboi · January 2015

staticstorm wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

After 1 year of paying subscriptions, we're finally getting the long-promised Champion System that will set right end-game progression and do away with the patchwork VR system.

And the Champion and Justice systems will be available to all, sans subscription fee, coming in March.

The game should have been delayed and launched this year with those systems implemented, the bugs fixed, performance improved. Instead you charged us 1 year of subscription fees to help pay for what should have been done before launching. You charged us an entire year of subscription fees to develop content that you were intending to make free.

type in /played or /age what ever the time command is and see how many hrs you played vs the money spent.

I bet you got your moneys worth.

Rofl, yea comoany goal is to get long term subs just delete their accounts

DanielMaxwell · January 2015

All MMO's are in a state of constant development .New systems will be tested internally , placed on a public beta test server , then placed on the live servers , during each of these stages they make changes to the games code along with changes to the code for the new systems . Each stage exposes the new systems , and new code , to a larger base of concurrent users which increases the chance of bugs and code errors being found .

Simple put even on the live servers you are still testing the game , if that causes you problems then perhaps MMO games are not suited to you , but that is entirely up to you to decide .

Kilandros · January 2015

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

All MMO's are in a state of constant development .New systems will be tested internally , placed on a public beta test server , then placed on the live servers , during each of these stages they make changes to the games code along with changes to the code for the new systems . Each stage exposes the new systems , and new code , to a larger base of concurrent users which increases the chance of bugs and code errors being found .

Simple put even on the live servers you are still testing the game , if that causes you problems then perhaps MMO games are not suited to you , but that is entirely up to you to decide .

You seem like the kind of person who ignores subtle distinction and nuance, and looks at things like apples and oranges and says to himself, "Yup, they're both round and about the same size--they must be the same thing."

Humanistic · January 2015

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

All MMO's are in a state of constant development .New systems will be tested internally , placed on a public beta test server , then placed on the live servers , during each of these stages they make changes to the games code along with changes to the code for the new systems . Each stage exposes the new systems , and new code , to a larger base of concurrent users which increases the chance of bugs and code errors being found .

Simple put even on the live servers you are still testing the game , if that causes you problems then perhaps MMO games are not suited to you , but that is entirely up to you to decide .

If you're going to put it that way, then" technically" every game you play post-release, you are also testing.

Sallington · January 2015

Elder Scrolls Online: New Game Enhancement