the nerf hammer is way overpowered.

Iago · January 2015

just like the title says I believe zos and their nerf. hammer are drastically over powered. I want to their ability to nerf things nerfed

as it stands now Elder Scrolls online will eventually be nerfed into mediocrity.

so please for the love of the game nerf the Nerf hammer.

Soulshine · January 2015

I'd say that ship sailed in beta - you won't get it back.

Iago · January 2015

you know the sad part is I was half joking when I made this post and yet it still is pretty true. I was having a discussion in zone chat a week ago. and people were just outraged because werewolves are so overpowered and they wanted to have those nerfed I've never really played an MMO before but it really makes me wonder is the insanity ever going to stop?

daswahnsinn · January 2015

I can't say that Werewolves are OP, since I don't play as one and have never been killed by one. But people will start to complain as soon as they start dying too many time. I complain in PVP all the time about NB using ambush, Temps with their blazing shield and rapid light stick of spamming, then Sorcs using crystal frag and mage's wraith. But then they complain about the flap flaps that I do or whatever the &^%$ else DKs do. So I just drink and snipe like most people do in that situation and stay the hell away from the one button wonders.

SFBryan18 · January 2015

Yea screw nerfs. Let's all just play DK and use the same skills, and no one will need to nerf anything.

Iago · January 2015

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Yea screw nerfs. Let's all just play DK and use the same skills, and no one will need to nerf anything.

let's give everybody just one hit. and make it to all skills and abilities do one hit. Damage the nobodies overpowered

SFBryan18 · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Yea screw nerfs. Let's all just play DK and use the same skills, and no one will need to nerf anything.

let's give everybody just one hit. and make it to all skills and abilities do one hit. Damage the nobodies overpowered

In chess, white is over powered because they always move first.

Iago · January 2015

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Yea screw nerfs. Let's all just play DK and use the same skills, and no one will need to nerf anything.

let's give everybody just one hit. and make it to all skills and abilities do one hit. Damage the nobodies overpowered

In chess, white is over powered because they always move first.

This is true bit eso is not chess

SFBryan18 · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Yea screw nerfs. Let's all just play DK and use the same skills, and no one will need to nerf anything.

let's give everybody just one hit. and make it to all skills and abilities do one hit. Damage the nobodies overpowered

In chess, white is over powered because they always move first.

This is true bit eso is not chess

And it's also not a game where everyone gets one hit. My statement was just an example of how even the most simple games will still have certain disadvantages.

kieso · January 2015

its a nerf bat not a hammer, there was a pic on ESO live with @zos_ginabruno holding it.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

you know the sad part is I was half joking when I made this post and yet it still is pretty true. I was having a discussion in zone chat a week ago. and people were just outraged because werewolves are so overpowered and they wanted to have those nerfed I've never really played an MMO before but it really makes me wonder is the insanity ever going to stop?

Short Answer; No!.
Long Answer; Sadly not, people will always be complaining that this build or this option is better than theirs, and that to maintain balance all other builds should be nerfed. The problem is that all MMOs need constant rebalancing, abilities get fixed or altered, so other abilities get changed in response. Eventually it should bed down into minor changes every so often, which allows people to get a generalised feel for the game, but no it never stops, and people never grow up either.

Said it was a long answer didn't I????

Ommamar · January 2015

Balance is an illusion. There will always be methods that are better it has been that way throughout real world history as well as games. As for this update they seem to be trying to raise things such as ultimate to the same level while keeping the flavor of that ultimate. I am not sure this is possible as certain things will always be better in certain situations. I do applaud them for trying to improve things and be interesting to see how it goes.

Iago · January 2015

Ommamar wrote: »

Balance is an illusion. There will always be methods that are better it has been that way throughout real world history as well as games. As for this update they seem to be trying to raise things such as ultimate to the same level while keeping the flavor of that ultimate. I am not sure this is possible as certain things will always be better in certain situations. I do applaud them for trying to improve things and be interesting to see how it goes.

I agree 100%

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Ommamar wrote: »

Balance is an illusion. There will always be methods that are better it has been that way throughout real world history as well as games. As for this update they seem to be trying to raise things such as ultimate to the same level while keeping the flavor of that ultimate. I am not sure this is possible as certain things will always be better in certain situations. I do applaud them for trying to improve things and be interesting to see how it goes.

I can't completely agree. Yes there will always be optimal builds.

But balance is an illusion, there I have to disagree, if there was no balance then the game would be unplayable, or at least playable by only one class and a few builds.

Balance in an MMO is transitory, and is constantly shifting, but it is there, hard to define or even pin down, but there.

Iago · January 2015

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Balance is an illusion. There will always be methods that are better it has been that way throughout real world history as well as games. As for this update they seem to be trying to raise things such as ultimate to the same level while keeping the flavor of that ultimate. I am not sure this is possible as certain things will always be better in certain situations. I do applaud them for trying to improve things and be interesting to see how it goes.

I can't completely agree. Yes there will always be optimal builds.

But balance is an illusion, there I have to disagree, if there was no balance then the game would be unplayable, or at least playable by only one class and a few builds.

Balance in an MMO is transitory, and is constantly shifting, but it is there, hard to define or even pin down, but there.

You are right but the problem is every time they "Balance" PvP it screws up things for PvE players,, and then when they "Balance" that it meeses up things for PvP players

Salkand · January 2015

SFBryan18 wrote: »

In chess, white is over powered because they always move first.

You are obviously not that good at chess. In MAAAAAAAAAAANY situations, moving second gives you the advantage. Why? Because you can counter a lot of whites strategies based on that first move.

Sasky · January 2015

Sure, it's overpowered because they try to fix everything at once. If they implemented it as small frequent changes (+ and -) it wouldn't have as much of an impact. If ZOS did a half-dozen 1-5% changes every minor patch, they'd balance abilities quicker, be less likely to overreact, and be more reactive to new exploits.

Of course, to be able to do this they need to keep very good metrics on how the skills are performing and how often they're being used.

Cody · January 2015

There are no "OP" things in this game, save maybe the ridiculous never ending damage shield stacking.

Jaxsun · January 2015

Salkand wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

In chess, white is over powered because they always move first.

You are obviously not that good at chess. In MAAAAAAAAAAANY situations, moving second gives you the advantage. Why? Because you can counter a lot of whites strategies based on that first move.

I am big blue, white always wins

Iago · January 2015

the only side I use in chess is black. I never lose, so long as I'm not playing against another human being.

Torquebow · January 2015

There are no "OP" things in this game, save maybe the ridiculous never ending damage shield stacking.

I've gotten one shot by several NBs in stealth. I've had 1h shield / resto staff NBs heal to full and then proceed to one shot me. PvP in general in this game is unbalanced.....Actually, straight broken. How is that not overpowered. The whole meta is to burst people down. No wonder there is no small scale pvp.

Maximis_ESO · January 2015

I find this post comical, this games nerf hammer is so weak to many other MMO's. Ohhh so weak!

Iago · January 2015

Maximis_ESO wrote: »

I find this post comical, this games nerf hammer is so weak to many other MMO's. Ohhh so weak!

this is my first MMORPG and many nerds made for pvp screw up my pve time so I end up paying a bunch of gold to respect to fix it.... and there is only so much changing up one can do.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Balance is an illusion. There will always be methods that are better it has been that way throughout real world history as well as games. As for this update they seem to be trying to raise things such as ultimate to the same level while keeping the flavor of that ultimate. I am not sure this is possible as certain things will always be better in certain situations. I do applaud them for trying to improve things and be interesting to see how it goes.

I can't completely agree. Yes there will always be optimal builds.

But balance is an illusion, there I have to disagree, if there was no balance then the game would be unplayable, or at least playable by only one class and a few builds.

Balance in an MMO is transitory, and is constantly shifting, but it is there, hard to define or even pin down, but there.

You are right but the problem is every time they "Balance" PvP it screws up things for PvE players,, and then when they "Balance" that it meeses up things for PvP players

True, absolutely true.

SFBryan18 · January 2015

IMO, balance against real people should have priority over balance against AI. The computer is not going to complain when you are using the over powered DK.

PBpsy · January 2015

SFBryan18 wrote: »

IMO, balance against real people should have priority over balance against AI. The computer is not going to complain when you are using the over powered DK.

Yes. The AI is not whiny a little <snip><snip><snipity> <snip> that doesn't know when to roll out of AOE.

McDoogs · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

you know the sad part is I was half joking when I made this post and yet it still is pretty true. I was having a discussion in zone chat a week ago. and people were just outraged because werewolves are so overpowered and they wanted to have those nerfed I've never really played an MMO before but it really makes me wonder is the insanity ever going to stop?

Anyone who has transformed into a WW knows that WW is terrible. My character is probably less than half as effective in WW form than regular.

Iago · January 2015

McDoogs wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

you know the sad part is I was half joking when I made this post and yet it still is pretty true. I was having a discussion in zone chat a week ago. and people were just outraged because werewolves are so overpowered and they wanted to have those nerfed I've never really played an MMO before but it really makes me wonder is the insanity ever going to stop?

Anyone who has transformed into a WW knows that WW is terrible. My character is probably less than half as effective in WW form than regular.

Yupp that's what I said.

Cody · January 2015

Torquebow wrote: »

There are no "OP" things in this game, save maybe the ridiculous never ending damage shield stacking.

I've gotten one shot by several NBs in stealth. I've had 1h shield / resto staff NBs heal to full and then proceed to one shot me. PvP in general in this game is unbalanced.....Actually, straight broken. How is that not overpowered. The whole meta is to burst people down. No wonder there is no small scale pvp.

And most NBs that stealth kill you cant actually fight worth a crap. the insta heal thing is actually the never ending damage shield spam I talked about. unless one used a health pot or got healed by someone else, a NB cant insta heal.

Iago · January 2015

SFBryan18 wrote: »

IMO, balance against real people should have priority over balance against AI. The computer is not going to complain when you are using the over powered DK.

Maybe n the AI won't complain but every time a big nerf hits I am forced to respec so that I can continue on my merry way.

tinythinker · January 2015

It depends, some things need balanced, other things people just need to figure out the counters to.

As an example, when my Templar uses whichever morph of Puncturing Strikes I'm running at the moment, the last thing I want my opponent in PvP to do is roll right at and through me. Go to the side, I turn with you. Roll back and away, and well, you're already dead. Roll into me, CRAP. Same with Blazing Shield. Run at me? Woohoo? Back off and pull out a bow? D'oh!