james_vestbergb16_ESO wrote: »

A million thx for this, been having a terrible experience as a DK against the "duel" build sorcs, atleast now I have somewhere to start.

You're welcome. Duel build Sorcs are very tricky. Each one has a different play style and one thing that works versus one player does not work versus another. I've been playing my sorc mostly (my main is a DK) lately cause I find melee fighters an interesting challenge and I'll give you an example.

I was duelling a DK with my Sorc yesterday and I was using a tactic that yielded good results. Basically I was keeping the DK close by literally standing inside him. I never let him get more than 2m away from me. I also hardly blocked letting my shields swallow up the whips to feed me magicka.

Remember if you have shields the only thing that block does is mitigate CC, cause the shield always takes full damage. So unless you are getting attacked with CC (like streak) having shields means you don't have to block.So the only thing I fear and have to block is the Invasion and that works only if you're 6-7 meters away. So if you're close you can't get shield charged and thus you don't have to hold block so much.

However I later played another DK who very quickly picked up on what I was doing and how to counter it. When I got close to him he would Talon me while moving backwards, thus creating space between us and then using invasion to knock me down. He kept chipping at my stamina until I had none left.

There are many little tricks to use in duels. The best I advice I can offer is to not be shy or fear losing and practice, practice, practice. If Sorcs are giving you a hard time, find a good one and invite him to duels. Fight him 20 times in a row and you'll start finding what works and what doesn't. No tips in the world can replace hands on experience.

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Curse and the lightning thing aren't projectiles

Except one of them is on a 3.5s cooldown and the other is an execute.

crislevin wrote: »

BE away.

ESO's Cyrodiil PvP is a numbers game, I don't see any situation that you have to fixed one on one.

Sure I might pick up S+B to get defensive posture, but really, you won't win the war by fixed on beating a one-on-one battle.

While you're absolutely correct, some people are interested to know from a duelling perspective. Not everybody is fussed with winning and losing keeps daily in Cyrodiil, the war basically.

The whole point is that's it is possible to kill DKs 1v1 despite the awesomness of Reflective Scales.

If obviously war and group and PvP is your thing, then you just blitz the DKs with coordinated AoEs, CCs and ulti-drops. Same with everyone else really.

NerfEverything wrote: »

I am surprised this hasn't been nerfed already. DKs can keep this ability up 100% of the time, effectively eliminating ranged combat from PvP and reflecting roughly 80% of all damage. It is like everyone at ZOS plays a DK and they are sitting there laughing at the other classes' futile attempts to compete with a completely OP class.

Oh yeah, and the unbreakable CC that DKs are so fond of abusing continues to be ignored.

This is the same what I think!
Why the dragon knights are otherwise so overpowered?

Let us see...

- Extremely strong tank skills!

- 66% Damage bonus to fire burning effects! (No other class has such a strong damage bonus into passive skills + Fire is extremely powerful in ESO!

- Very strong Ultimate abilities

- Powerful self-healing

- Unbreakable CC

- Flame Lash (Come on! in combination wIth the abilities above mentioned = Overpowerded!)

- Reflective scale (In combination wIth the abilities above mentioned = Overpowerded!)

and, and, and ...

This is a dragon knight and vampire PVP based game!
If you dont like to play themselves.. is this PVP not that are you looking for!

It is sad but unfortunately true!

So let me get this straight, Hortator. By your own admission (see your signature), you do not PvP.

Yet you feel your opinion on PvP is more valid than that of people who PvP daily? Of people who partake in duels daily, who have rolled more than one class and PvP with more than one class?

This is priceless XD

Nerf DKs

I know it's not optimal and someone might have said already, but if you run defensive posture from sword/shield and reflect it back at them again (if it's a magic attack - can't do this with bows), they can't reflect it again after that (and the morph will stun them as well).

Some non-projectile casts will still hit them as well or AoEs.

Also, as a last ditch, you could run Annulment morph and keep it up to mitigate damage and get back some of your magicka when you get hit. Or dodge roll to avoid the reflect, but I know that's not feasible to constantly do.

Wouldn't Weakening Prison or Rune Cage be a really good counter? I didn't try if it's unblockable but i would gess so, and forces him to let his guard down to break the CC. Rune Cage especially which he would get stunned after breaking the Disorient and has to CC break twice. People don't use the skill since it doesn't do any damage, but i guess it would be really useful against DK's, draining their stamina quickly breaking CC's, leaving no stamina left for blocking or breaking further CC's.

He's not gonna cast any Reflective scales, while Disoriented or stunned. without any stamina to break free.

Anyone tried?

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

What would you suggest a pure magicka Sorcerer do against a DK that keeps 100% uptime on reflective scales?

Tried kiting them until they were out of magicka, but they just Invasion (1H/Shield) and Talons spam, which half the time creates unbreakable CC, then kite right back until their magicka potion is ready.

Also, can someone explain to me please how ZOS thought it wise to make Velocious Curse a "projectile" (seriously?).

Velocious Curse : bypasses dk scales
Soul attack (Ultimate): bypasses dk scales
Endless Fury/Mages Wrath: bypass dk scales
Streak: to stun
Degeneration: bypasses dk scales, has ok utility, It dots my target, hots me (heal over time) has a 15% chance to heal me for 110% of the weapon damage I deal out, but I really use it just for the 20% damage boost from the Mage Guild passive.
Crystal Fragments: Well timed

That's pretty much my attack bar and I'm able to kill a dk with some work.

Blood magic is bugged very often. Most of the time, the 5% heal does not work.

And if you guys are talking, it sounds like it would be that easy it's not, it's extremely hard to beat them.

tunepunk wrote: »

Wouldn't Weakening Prison or Rune Cage be a really good counter? I didn't try if it's unblockable but i would gess so, and forces him to let his guard down to break the CC. Rune Cage especially which he would get stunned after breaking the Disorient and has to CC break twice. People don't use the skill since it doesn't do any damage, but i guess it would be really useful against DK's, draining their stamina quickly breaking CC's, leaving no stamina left for blocking or breaking further CC's.

He's not gonna cast any Reflective scales, while Disoriented or stunned. without any stamina to break free.

Anyone tried?

When I tested rune cage the stun does not proc if you break the disorient with damage And if they break it, they get immunity so no second stun. Maybe these are little-known bugs or something, but the mechanics make it not so useful. I do however find encase useful against DKs.

Jahosefat wrote: »

When I tested rune cage the stun does not proc if you break the disorient with damage And if they break it, they get immunity so no second stun. Maybe these are little-known bugs or something, but the mechanics make it not so useful. I do however find encase useful against DKs.

Hmm so the stun part of Rune Cage only works if the full duration of the spell runs? This must clearly be a bug for sure. Although it's really cheap Magicka wize compared to Encase, so maybe more useful on 1vs1.

XEVENEX wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

What would you suggest a pure magicka Sorcerer do against a DK that keeps 100% uptime on reflective scales?

Tried kiting them until they were out of magicka, but they just Invasion (1H/Shield) and Talons spam, which half the time creates unbreakable CC, then kite right back until their magicka potion is ready.

Also, can someone explain to me please how ZOS thought it wise to make Velocious Curse a "projectile" (seriously?).

You need to use abilities that aren't considered projectiles:

1. Velocitous Curse
2. Mages Fury (Endless Fury) - You can spam this all day long on DK's as they spam Reflective Scales they will lose total resources much faster than you.
3. Daedric Mines - Throw these down at your feet, and keep as many mines between you and the dk as possible, when he invasions he'll hit at least a couple if not all the mines.
4. Heavy Attacks from Resto Staff/Lightning Staff

Also hold parry constantly and their invasion is rather worthless. After DK's charge in on you (and onto your mines) Streak (Bolt Escape) through them and put mines down again and spam Vel Curse/Mages Fury as you desire.

The above causes me to have little issues wth DK's as a Sorc wielding Destro and Resto Staff.

Nope sorry that's terrible, and if you're killing DKs like that, they're even more terrible.

Let's say your Curse does 500 damage.
Let's say your Fury does 300 damage.
Your rotation is 1 Curse and 3 Fury every 4 seconds. That's 350 dps.
Mines are terrible. I'm not even going there.

No decent DK is even breaking a sweat with your piddly 350 dps, and I haven't even included blocking or resistance mitigation.

Game mechanics are heavily stacked in their favor. The correct answer to the OP question is unfortunately nothing. You have to pray they make a big mistake so you can burst them down before they recover.

I agree. But never in life does mage's fury 300 damage would be nice if.
It's not even 200 in reality. Around 170 damage against players maybe.

(Not dedicated to you)
And really..... who uses rune prison ? WHO O.o
Though the one morph is very powerful. If I hit the target with crystal shard, my crystal shard does over 100 additional damage. But this is not a good tactic and especially not in pvp.