Only class for Raid: play a DK
first time in aetherian archiv: 6 DK / 12
second time (full group) ... : 7 DK /12
first time Hel-Ra: 8 DK /12
Second time Hel-Ra: 6 DK /12
First time Sanctum: 7 DK /12
Second time: 5 DK /12
Zenimax, maybe it's time to do something...
second time (full group) ... : 7 DK /12
first time Hel-Ra: 8 DK /12
Second time Hel-Ra: 6 DK /12
First time Sanctum: 7 DK /12
Second time: 5 DK /12
Zenimax, maybe it's time to do something...
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JuL1aN✭✭Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.Edited by JuL1aN on January 14, 2015 12:05AMJ-L-N | eXile14
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✭✭Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
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The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.Edited by TehMagnus on January 14, 2015 12:50AM5 -
Beesting✭✭✭✭I did hel-ra sunday for the first time three times in a row and it went well
I was the only dk in the group and people were nice to me saying it was so cool to have a dk because i could pull in mobs with my chains and use the igneous shield at the last boss
Other than that i felt more as a nice pet than the awesome respected beast the dk was when trials came out....
Think about thatBeesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build
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Of anyone I'd listen to this guy, his group holds the current world speed record for both AA/HR.
^Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.4 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
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The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
What is best DPS with Stamina build you saw on Mantikora/Serpent with Sorc or NB ?
I saw 1.2k best and this is from people already geared with Vicious Serpent and Hawk eye sets. Still can do atleast same if not more with my DK on magicka build which require much less effort and give me better surviveability and i dont even equip him with the best gear i could bcoz he isn't my main character.Edited by killedbyping on January 14, 2015 9:39AM1 -
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Of anyone I'd listen to this guy, his group holds the current world speed record for both AA/HR.
^Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
Only HR and SO actually. AA is held by Baby Face Bananas guild in AD EU.killedbyping wrote: »Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
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The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
What is best DPS with Stamina build you saw on Mantikora/Serpent ?
I saw 1.2k best. Still can do atleast same if not more with my DK on magicka build which require much less effort and give me better surviveability.
I've seen bow builds pull more than 1.2-1,3k on Mantikora (but that's a ranged fight), also seen a video of a NB with an eaaasy rotation sustaining 1,7k DPS on a boss without breaking a sweat. On close range and AOE damage they are very strong as well and have virtually unlimited stamina.
In my opinion, generally and if you don't have many NBs as it's our case, it's a waste to have a NB go stamina because their utility sucks compared to magicka ones. That being said, if we had 8 NBs in our group instead of 8 DKS, we'd probably try to have at least 6 using stam build. This is even more true in instances like AA or Hel Ra where you can virtually heal through the highest damages with a Nova, a veil on the ground and a good Healer.1 -
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Of anyone I'd listen to this guy, his group holds the current world speed record for both AA/HR.
^Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
Only HR and SO actually. AA is held by Baby Face Bananas guild in AD EU.killedbyping wrote: »Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
^
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
What is best DPS with Stamina build you saw on Mantikora/Serpent ?
I saw 1.2k best. Still can do atleast same if not more with my DK on magicka build which require much less effort and give me better surviveability.
I've seen bow builds pull more than 1.2-1,3k on Mantikora (but that's a ranged fight), also seen a video of a NB with an eaaasy rotation sustaining 1,7k DPS on a boss without breaking a sweat. On close range and AOE damage they are very strong as well and have virtually unlimited stamina.
In my opinion, generally and if you don't have many NBs as it's our case, it's a waste to have a NB go stamina because their utility sucks compared to magicka ones. That being said, if we had 8 NBs in our group instead of 8 DKS, we'd probably try to have at least 6 using stam build. This is even more true in instances like AA or Hel Ra where you can virtually heal through the highest damages with a Nova, a veil on the ground and a good Healer.
Im sorry but most of this make no sense.
Making NB to go Stamina is not a waste since any DW/Bow build on NB or Sorc will provide around 200-300 dps more compared to Magicka build. Currently VoB is useless in terms of DPS and damage reduction are static, so there is no difference who are going to put that down.
Ofc if there are just 1 NB in party and you going for long fight when you would need that VoB more then once then ofc, that NB should go for Magicka build because of unfair current ultimate generation mechanics.
But when we speak of time trials it is all about DPS, not the utility. You dont need much of utility if you can burn down your target 2-3 times faster then group filled with NBs.
There is no way you do 1.7k sustained DPS on single target with ANY build and ANY class (by sustained i mean that fight should last for atleast couple of minutes) specialy on Mantikora and Serpent where you have to spend quite alot of time doing something that prevent you from dealing damage.
Also, there are nothing that can help NB's do more DPS on stamina builds compared to Sorc's or DK's.
2H only worth for Execute, DW and Bow have no synergy with any of NB skills besides stamina regen.
Literaly 0 skills that boost damage (haste dont rly work for stamina builds, coz when you spam channeling skills like Flury and Snipe, that 30% CD reduction on light attacks provide literaly 0 profit).
Mark Target are totaly useless since Legendary Armor Reduction Enchant on wepon reduce ALL of the armor that any mob or boss currently have.Edited by killedbyping on January 14, 2015 9:46AM4 -
Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
I am not complaining, (a little maybe), it's maybe more a real question, when best group use more than half only a class.
For me, that's show that the DPS magicka/stamina the DPS of each class are now really problematic, it's not juste 5 % or 10 % of difference in DPS between sorcerer magicka and DK magicka, it's maybe 50 %.
I am not asking a big nerf for DK, i am asking for a real work on all class to have a similar DPS and not 40-50% of difference.
Anyways, congrats for all time in AA, Hel-Ra and sanctum
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✭✭killedbyping wrote: »
Of anyone I'd listen to this guy, his group holds the current world speed record for both AA/HR.
^Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
Only HR and SO actually. AA is held by Baby Face Bananas guild in AD EU.killedbyping wrote: »Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
^
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
What is best DPS with Stamina build you saw on Mantikora/Serpent ?
I saw 1.2k best. Still can do atleast same if not more with my DK on magicka build which require much less effort and give me better surviveability.
I've seen bow builds pull more than 1.2-1,3k on Mantikora (but that's a ranged fight), also seen a video of a NB with an eaaasy rotation sustaining 1,7k DPS on a boss without breaking a sweat. On close range and AOE damage they are very strong as well and have virtually unlimited stamina.
In my opinion, generally and if you don't have many NBs as it's our case, it's a waste to have a NB go stamina because their utility sucks compared to magicka ones. That being said, if we had 8 NBs in our group instead of 8 DKS, we'd probably try to have at least 6 using stam build. This is even more true in instances like AA or Hel Ra where you can virtually heal through the highest damages with a Nova, a veil on the ground and a good Healer.
Im sorry but most of this make no sense.
Making NB to go Stamina is not a waste since any DW/Bow build on NB or Sorc will provide around 200-300 dps more compared to Magicka build. Currently VoB is useless in terms of DPS and damage reduction are static, so there is no difference who are going to put that down.
Ofc if there are just 1 NB in party and you going for long fight when you would need that VoB more then once then ofc, that NB should go for Magicka build because of unfair current ultimate generation mechanics.
But when we speak of time trials it is all about DPS, not the utility. You dont need much of utility if you can burn down your target 2-3 times faster then group filled with NBs.
There is no way you do 1.7k sustained DPS on single target with ANY build and ANY class (by sustained i mean that fight should last for atleast couple of minutes) specialy on Mantikora and Serpent where you have to spend quite alot of time doing something that prevent you from dealing damage.
Also, there are nothing that can help NB's do more DPS on stamina builds compared to Sorc's or DK's.
2H only worth for Execute, DW and Bow have no synergy with any of NB skills besides stamina regen.
Literaly 0 skills that boost damage (haste dont rly work for stamina builds, coz when you spam channeling skills like Flury and Snipe, that 30% CD reduction on light attacks provide literaly 0 profit).
Mark Target are totaly useless since Legendary Armor Reduction Enchant on wepon reduce ALL of the armor that any mob or boss currently have.
When you're only using 1 templar to heal (our 2nd templar in Hel Ra was DPSing), no negate cuz no sorc in group, VOB is a plus (especially for the storm on enrage mode from the warrior) and the DPS cost to going magicka vs stamina is only ~ 100 to 300 so it's a waste to risk loosing people because no VOD or no extra heals from funnel & refreshing path, which is why you need a t least 1 NB on magicka putting down veils when [snip] hits the roof.
You also have to take into consideration that stamina NBs use medium armor so their spell resistance is lower than a NB in LA, which is why I'd leave 2 Nbs on magicka for SO to be sure you can rotate VOB during poison phase (I agree that for AA Hel Ra, only 1 is enough).
As for the 1.7K, I'll try to find the video when I'm @ home, that being said, DK can do 1,6 DPS and I'm sure can reach1,7K while killing Serpent in an optimal run
but you got to AOE manticora I admit.
I'm no expert in stamina builds nor NBs, but I haven't seen DKs or sorcs be able to sustain stamina like NBs thus loosing DPS on longer fights.2 -
AlcastClass Representativekilledbyping wrote: »
Of anyone I'd listen to this guy, his group holds the current world speed record for both AA/HR.
^Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
Only HR and SO actually. AA is held by Baby Face Bananas guild in AD EU.killedbyping wrote: »Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
^
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
What is best DPS with Stamina build you saw on Mantikora/Serpent ?
I saw 1.2k best. Still can do atleast same if not more with my DK on magicka build which require much less effort and give me better surviveability.
I've seen bow builds pull more than 1.2-1,3k on Mantikora (but that's a ranged fight), also seen a video of a NB with an eaaasy rotation sustaining 1,7k DPS on a boss without breaking a sweat. On close range and AOE damage they are very strong as well and have virtually unlimited stamina.
In my opinion, generally and if you don't have many NBs as it's our case, it's a waste to have a NB go stamina because their utility sucks compared to magicka ones. That being said, if we had 8 NBs in our group instead of 8 DKS, we'd probably try to have at least 6 using stam build. This is even more true in instances like AA or Hel Ra where you can virtually heal through the highest damages with a Nova, a veil on the ground and a good Healer.
Im sorry but most of this make no sense.
There is no way you do 1.7k sustained DPS on single target with ANY build and ANY class (by sustained i mean that fight should last for atleast couple of minutes) specialy on Mantikora and Serpent where you have to spend quite alot of time doing something that prevent you from dealing damage.
Also, there are nothing that can help NB's do more DPS on stamina builds compared to Sorc's or DK's.
2H only worth for Execute, DW and Bow have no synergy with any of NB skills besides stamina regen.
Literaly 0 skills that boost damage (haste dont rly work for stamina builds, coz when you spam channeling skills like Flury and Snipe, that 30% CD reduction on light attacks provide literaly 0 profit).
Mark Target are totaly useless since Legendary Armor Reduction Enchant on wepon reduce ALL of the armor that any mob or boss currently have.
It is Possible. rare but possible, and only with a Kahjit NB. Maybe 1,6k
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭It is Possible. rare but possible, and only with a Kahjit NB. Maybe 1,6k
To do such dps you have to land atleast 1.5k damage with non crit damage and over 2k damage with crits with every attack, while having over 60% crit at the same time.
This is simply impossible with current soft\hard caps.
Yet again im talking about sustained fights atleast few minutes long.Edited by killedbyping on January 14, 2015 12:37PM0 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »
Of anyone I'd listen to this guy, his group holds the current world speed record for both AA/HR.
^Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
Only HR and SO actually. AA is held by Baby Face Bananas guild in AD EU.killedbyping wrote: »Every Time would be even faster with Stamina Sorcs/NBs, so stop complaining about DKs.
^
The plain fact is that the most played class in the game is DragonKnight thus it's easier to find good DK players amongst them whereas NBs are very rare to obtain and those using stamina build effectively are even rarer (at lest in EP - EU).
Still, they have potential to pull more DPS than us DKs.
What is best DPS with Stamina build you saw on Mantikora/Serpent ?
I saw 1.2k best. Still can do atleast same if not more with my DK on magicka build which require much less effort and give me better surviveability.
I've seen bow builds pull more than 1.2-1,3k on Mantikora (but that's a ranged fight), also seen a video of a NB with an eaaasy rotation sustaining 1,7k DPS on a boss without breaking a sweat. On close range and AOE damage they are very strong as well and have virtually unlimited stamina.
In my opinion, generally and if you don't have many NBs as it's our case, it's a waste to have a NB go stamina because their utility sucks compared to magicka ones. That being said, if we had 8 NBs in our group instead of 8 DKS, we'd probably try to have at least 6 using stam build. This is even more true in instances like AA or Hel Ra where you can virtually heal through the highest damages with a Nova, a veil on the ground and a good Healer.
Im sorry but most of this make no sense.
Making NB to go Stamina is not a waste since any DW/Bow build on NB or Sorc will provide around 200-300 dps more compared to Magicka build. Currently VoB is useless in terms of DPS and damage reduction are static, so there is no difference who are going to put that down.
Ofc if there are just 1 NB in party and you going for long fight when you would need that VoB more then once then ofc, that NB should go for Magicka build because of unfair current ultimate generation mechanics.
But when we speak of time trials it is all about DPS, not the utility. You dont need much of utility if you can burn down your target 2-3 times faster then group filled with NBs.
There is no way you do 1.7k sustained DPS on single target with ANY build and ANY class (by sustained i mean that fight should last for atleast couple of minutes) specialy on Mantikora and Serpent where you have to spend quite alot of time doing something that prevent you from dealing damage.
Also, there are nothing that can help NB's do more DPS on stamina builds compared to Sorc's or DK's.
2H only worth for Execute, DW and Bow have no synergy with any of NB skills besides stamina regen.
Literaly 0 skills that boost damage (haste dont rly work for stamina builds, coz when you spam channeling skills like Flury and Snipe, that 30% CD reduction on light attacks provide literaly 0 profit).
Mark Target are totaly useless since Legendary Armor Reduction Enchant on wepon reduce ALL of the armor that any mob or boss currently have.
When you're only using 1 templar to heal (our 2nd templar in Hel Ra was DPSing), no negate cuz no sorc in group, VOB is a plus (especially for the storm on enrage mode from the warrior) and the DPS cost to going magicka vs stamina is only ~ 100 to 300 so it's a waste to risk loosing people because no VOD or no extra heals from funnel & refreshing path, which is why you need a t least 1 NB on magicka putting down veils when [snip] hits the roof.
You also have to take into consideration that stamina NBs use medium armor so their spell resistance is lower than a NB in LA, which is why I'd leave 2 Nbs on magicka for SO to be sure you can rotate VOB during poison phase (I agree that for AA Hel Ra, only 1 is enough).
As for the 1.7K, I'll try to find the video when I'm @ home, that being said, DK can do 1,6 DPS and I'm sure can reach1,7K while killing Serpent in an optimal run but you got to AOE manticora I admit.
I'm no expert in stamina builds nor NBs, but I haven't seen DKs or sorcs be able to sustain stamina like NBs thus loosing DPS on longer fights.
I probably know what video you are talking about if this happened on Serpent. And this is exactly what i was talking about. This guy were doing AOE's, this wasnt actual Single Target DPS.
I can do over 1.7k dps with my NB even with outdated Funneal Health build in AA HM for example. But this is bcoz of AOE, so i dont count it.
As for usefulness of VoB. I didnt say it completely useless. I actualy said that IT IS very usefull as utility thing. I just said that it's not effective as single target DPS thingy.
P.S. we'r not using VoB's on Serpent and feel fine
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✭✭As for the 1.7K, I'll try to find the video when I'm @ home, that being said, DK can do 1,6 DPS and I'm sure can reach1,7K while killing Serpent in an optimal run but you got to AOE manticora I admit.
I always get very close to 1.7k at the Serpent with a fight duration of 500-600 secs. On my DK though. I mess up my rotation alot most of the times.
@killedbyping If you click that youtube link in my sig you find a video of 1646 DPS at the serpent(600+ seconds).
Its not pure AoE. Only times you do a bit AoE is when Manticora is there. Manti dies quick anyways. Without Manti, DPS is stable at near 1.6k. DPS wise it doesnt do much.
Only thing that little AoE pahses do is make up for the Orb Phase. where you dont do any damage at all
Lucky Meteor proccs do the rest.Edited by xMovingTarget on January 14, 2015 1:02PM2 -
AlcastClass Representativekilledbyping wrote: »It is Possible. rare but possible, and only with a Kahjit NB. Maybe 1,6k
To do such dps you have to land atleast 1.5k damage with non crit damage and over 2k damage with crits with every attack, while having over 60% crit at the same time.
This is simply impossible with current soft\hard caps.
Yet again im talking about sustained fights atleast few minutes long.
Stam NB can get around 91%(maybe even more not sure) crit all the time lol
Even my templar is at 81% crit all the time during a fight. And i still hit softcap(or almost) without Aggressive horn and igneous weapon.
This is with PvP buffs.
Also get a Kahjit so you get another 6% extra weapcrit.
And NBs got [Passive] Catalyst – Increase potion effectiveness which boosts potions even more.
And yes, in sanctum DKs dps is AOE dmg
Every class does more dmg on Serpent fight. So nothing special if you hit 1,6k with your DK. If you do not hit that then you should consider changing smth >.>Edited by Alcast on January 14, 2015 1:12PMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »As for the 1.7K, I'll try to find the video when I'm @ home, that being said, DK can do 1,6 DPS and I'm sure can reach1,7K while killing Serpent in an optimal run but you got to AOE manticora I admit.
I always get very close to 1.7k at the Serpent with a fight duration of 500-600 secs. On my DK though. I mess up my rotation alot most of the times.
@killedbyping If you click that youtube link in my sig you find a video of 1646 DPS at the serpent(600+ seconds).
Its not pure AoE. Only times you do a bit AoE is when Manticora is there. Manti dies quick anyways. Without Manti, DPS is stable at near 1.6k. DPS wise it doesnt do much.
Only thing that little AoE pahses do is make up for the Orb Phase. where you dont do any damage at all
Lucky Meteor proccs do the rest.
Actualy, i saw 1450 dps max on single target. With AOE it does go up to 1.6k but... it is aoe, im talking about pure single target.
Well, nvm, i guess we fail to understand each other.
P.S. This video just prove how awsome DK are and YES, no other class can be as good as that at the moment. But i thought we were trying to prove the opposite Edited by killedbyping on January 14, 2015 2:22PM2 -
Nijjion✭✭✭✭With the Ult nerf next patch and the standard nerf they could possibly be down to being one of the lowest DPS's, so that will make you happy...
Though it's too early to say, we will have to create new builds that don't rely on 2 standards just to keep up with NBs currently... losing that NBs are top DPS by nearly 100-200 damage. So your QQ is pointed in the wrong direction.Edited by Nijjion on January 14, 2015 6:58PMNijjijjioN - DK - AR27NijjioN - NB -Daggerfall CovenantThe Nice Guys GuildEverQuest -> Dark Age of Camelot -> Ragnarok Online -> Cabal Online -> Guild Wars 1 -> Warhammer Online -> Vindictus -> SWTOR -> Tera -> Guild Wars 2 -> Elder Scrolls Online ->
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@Nijjion Wrong direction ???
what I say ? what I ask ?
What i say ? I just see, that for most the best time in AA, Hel-Ra, sanctum more than half of the team was DK... it's just a fact, and it's really problematic, if you don't see that, maybe you are blind.
What I ask ? I just ask that any class and any build could have a DPS a little like DK now.
you worry about a nerf, but are you asking for a big boost of DPS for templar or sorcerer magicka ? so please do it now.
So before complaining... for the hypothetical nerf of DK, ask that all class can do same DPS and not 30-50 % less than DK magicka or NB stamina.
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✭✭florian.billeb16_ESO wrote: »@Nijjion Wrong direction ???
what I say ? what I ask ?
What i say ? I just see, that for most the best time in AA, Hel-Ra, sanctum more than half of the team was DK... it's just a fact, and it's really problematic, if you don't see that, maybe you are blind.
What I ask ? I just ask that any class and any build could have a DPS a little like DK now.
you worry about a nerf, but are you asking for a big boost of DPS for templar or sorcerer magicka ? so please do it now.
So before complaining... for the hypothetical nerf of DK, ask that all class can do same DPS and not 30-50 % less than DK magicka or NB stamina.
And I explained to you that the most played class is DK which is why there are so many in leaderboards. It's just a fact, and it's problematic, if you don't see that, maybe you are blind.4 -
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NBs have been boasting lately for 1300-1400dps (Which is what DKs get on average for most bosses). Though you need some of the hardest armor to get for the NB build, when DKs is a bit easier. Sure some DKs get 1600 but that's very rarely on some selected bosses with their mechanics.
Sure Sorcs/Temps are low but they are getting boosted in 1.6 and DKs are getting nerfed a bit in 1.6 due the ult nerf.
So as I said your QQ is ill-timed and wasted at the present moment with the new patch right around the corner (well hopefully).NijjijjioN - DK - AR27NijjioN - NB -Daggerfall CovenantThe Nice Guys GuildEverQuest -> Dark Age of Camelot -> Ragnarok Online -> Cabal Online -> Guild Wars 1 -> Warhammer Online -> Vindictus -> SWTOR -> Tera -> Guild Wars 2 -> Elder Scrolls Online ->
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✭✭killedbyping wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »As for the 1.7K, I'll try to find the video when I'm @ home, that being said, DK can do 1,6 DPS and I'm sure can reach1,7K while killing Serpent in an optimal run but you got to AOE manticora I admit.
I always get very close to 1.7k at the Serpent with a fight duration of 500-600 secs. On my DK though. I mess up my rotation alot most of the times.
@killedbyping If you click that youtube link in my sig you find a video of 1646 DPS at the serpent(600+ seconds).
Its not pure AoE. Only times you do a bit AoE is when Manticora is there. Manti dies quick anyways. Without Manti, DPS is stable at near 1.6k. DPS wise it doesnt do much.
Only thing that little AoE pahses do is make up for the Orb Phase. where you dont do any damage at all
Lucky Meteor proccs do the rest.
Actualy, i saw 1450 dps max on single target. With AOE it does go up to 1.6k but... it is aoe, im talking about pure single target.
Well, nvm, i guess we fail to understand each other.
P.S. This video just prove how awsome DK are and YES, no other class can be as good as that at the moment. But i thought we were trying to prove the opposite
No need to prove the obvious. But dont worry. Update 6 will fix it. DK will be in line. Without the ability to pull that much standarts DKs arnt that much. The Standart is what makes us that strong.
Hopefully you all will remember that DKs that pulled awesome DPS when your damage isnt enough to kill a boss in 1.6 :PEdited by xMovingTarget on January 15, 2015 12:13AM4 -
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✭Here's to hoping it's changed in U6. However there's a good chance that just means there is a new class that has a higher potential DPS than all the others. ^^
I don't think the explanation is as simple as that many people play a DK, they do have fantastic synergies between their skills, access to several awesome DOTs, Valkyn Skoria, their damage is fire which is the highest DPS element (+that many mobs are inherently weak to) and Battle Roar (which with current ulti regen is really strong). Almost everyone I see is rerolling DKs.
Sadly I don't even like playing my DK![:\](https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
so I rerolled a Stam NB to at least get somewhere close although not even close to being comparable in SO trash pulls. No 15K aoe dps on Trolls there. ^^ 1 -
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✭✭Here's to hoping it's changed in U6. However there's a good chance that just means there is a new class that has a higher potential DPS than all the others. ^^
I don't think the explanation is as simple as that many people play a DK, they do have fantastic synergies between their skills, access to several awesome DOTs, Valkyn Skoria, their damage is fire which is the highest DPS element (+that many mobs are inherently weak to) and Battle Roar (which with current ulti regen is really strong). Almost everyone I see is rerolling DKs.
Sadly I don't even like playing my DK
so I rerolled a Stam NB to at least get somewhere close although not even close to being comparable in SO trash pulls. No 15K aoe dps on Trolls there. ^^
I think I saw @Medakon with stam NB pulling very very high DPS on trash pulls in SO, maybe not 15K but I think more than 8-9KEdited by TehMagnus on January 15, 2015 10:38AM0 -
AlcastClass RepresentativeHere's to hoping it's changed in U6. However there's a good chance that just means there is a new class that has a higher potential DPS than all the others. ^^
I don't think the explanation is as simple as that many people play a DK, they do have fantastic synergies between their skills, access to several awesome DOTs, Valkyn Skoria, their damage is fire which is the highest DPS element (+that many mobs are inherently weak to) and Battle Roar (which with current ulti regen is really strong). Almost everyone I see is rerolling DKs.
Sadly I don't even like playing my DK
so I rerolled a Stam NB to at least get somewhere close although not even close to being comparable in SO trash pulls. No 15K aoe dps on Trolls there. ^^
Pro DK gets very good DPS> Noob NB/Temp/Sorc sees that> "Omfg, I have to reroll DK so i can get same DPS" = ends up with same dps as with his NB/Temp/Sorc because he is a noob. End of story
95% of the players are noobs who do NOT try(or do not care) to get the best out of their class although there are ways of doing so. Instead they reroll DK and think they will do better dps because they have seen DKs pulling good numbers. Any *** class can pull 1,2k+ single target. (And yes you are forced into a specific build, dont tell me *** about build diversity, i do not care)
The only place where DKs are superior is AOE. It is because they have more AOE abilities to spam than other classes do.
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✭florian.billeb16_ESO wrote: »@Nijjion Wrong direction ???
what I say ? what I ask ?
What i say ? I just see, that for most the best time in AA, Hel-Ra, sanctum more than half of the team was DK... it's just a fact, and it's really problematic, if you don't see that, maybe you are blind.
What I ask ? I just ask that any class and any build could have a DPS a little like DK now.
you worry about a nerf, but are you asking for a big boost of DPS for templar or sorcerer magicka ? so please do it now.
So before complaining... for the hypothetical nerf of DK, ask that all class can do same DPS and not 30-50 % less than DK magicka or NB stamina.
And I explained to you that the most played class is DK which is why there are so many in leaderboards. It's just a fact, and it's problematic, if you don't see that, maybe you are blind.
well the class distribution was alot more even at the beginng of the leaderboard. dks and nbs became more and more prevelent over time. because of their much higher DPS compared to sorcs and templars who became only niche chars.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭[florian.billeb16_ESO wrote: »@Nijjion Wrong direction ???
what I say ? what I ask ?
What i say ? I just see, that for most the best time in AA, Hel-Ra, sanctum more than half of the team was DK... it's just a fact, and it's really problematic, if you don't see that, maybe you are blind.
What I ask ? I just ask that any class and any build could have a DPS a little like DK now.
you worry about a nerf, but are you asking for a big boost of DPS for templar or sorcerer magicka ? so please do it now.
So before complaining... for the hypothetical nerf of DK, ask that all class can do same DPS and not 30-50 % less than DK magicka or NB stamina.
And I explained to you that the most played class is DK which is why there are so many in leaderboards. It's just a fact, and it's problematic, if you don't see that, maybe you are blind.
well the class distribution was alot more even at the beginng of the leaderboard. dks and nbs became more and more prevelent over time. because of their much higher DPS compared to sorcs and templars who became only niche chars.
Lool what ? In early stages leaderboards was almost completely filled with DK'sEdited by killedbyping on January 15, 2015 2:57PM0 -
Interesting discussion... i am maybe the only one to see a problem when a class use more than half of the spot in raid...
the response is only... they are a lot DK, so that's completely normal. You don't need 4 class, almost only DK and you do the best time.
For me, and maybe i can understand this argument of the population of DK, but, i suppose too that player of hodor, (maybe the best PVE guild) as not only one VR14 DK, certainly a VR14 in a other class for some player,
and I heard the only argument, that DK are more representativ in the population...
that's it.
and now the new ironic question: why they are so many DK ?
and now the ironic response: because of the good DPS and ability for raid when you compare to other class.2 -
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Pretty much from launch people have been saying that DK is the best class (although there was a time when people were saying DK and Sorc were tied for best class). As a result of that, over the time since launch a lot of people have created DKs and put time into leveling them. I think the class balance has changed a lot over the time that ESO has been out (most notably NB went from being terrible to being quite capable if played right), but even if DK is no longer the clear #1 out of the classes (and I'm not saying DK is or isn't the most powerful class right now), because so many people have put so much time into DK characters, you have to expect that the DK population will still be significantly higher than the population of other classes for some time through shear inertia.florian.billeb16_ESO wrote: »and now the new ironic question: why they are so many DK ?
and now the ironic response: because of the good DPS and ability for raid when you compare to other class.
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Aenra✭✭✭✭I explained that the most played class is DK which is why there are so many in leaderboards. It's just a fact, and it's problematic, if you don't see that, maybe you are blind.
this. Poster quoted is on to something far more important than parses.
Which does beg the question..if it has been this bad thus far..
..what's gonna happen post 1.6, when inferno is not only becoming an Inner Light, but even worse, an Inner Light that simultaneously damages nearby opponents?
i fail to comprehend their thinking..to put it very, very kindly
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✭killedbyping wrote: »Making NB to go Stamina is not a waste since any DW/Bow build on NB or Sorc will provide around 200-300 dps more compared to Magicka build. Currently VoB is useless in terms of DPS and damage reduction are static, so there is no difference who are going to put that down.
Ofc if there are just 1 NB in party and you going for long fight when you would need that VoB more then once then ofc, that NB should go for Magicka build because of unfair current ultimate generation mechanics.
But when we speak of time trials it is all about DPS, not the utility. You dont need much of utility if you can burn down your target 2-3 times faster then group filled with NBs.
There is no way you do 1.7k sustained DPS on single target with ANY build and ANY class (by sustained i mean that fight should last for atleast couple of minutes) specialy on Mantikora and Serpent where you have to spend quite alot of time doing something that prevent you from dealing damage.
Also, there are nothing that can help NB's do more DPS on stamina builds compared to Sorc's or DK's.
2H only worth for Execute, DW and Bow have no synergy with any of NB skills besides stamina regen.
Literaly 0 skills that boost damage (haste dont rly work for stamina builds, coz when you spam channeling skills like Flury and Snipe, that 30% CD reduction on light attacks provide literaly 0 profit).
Mark Target are totaly useless since Legendary Armor Reduction Enchant on wepon reduce ALL of the armor that any mob or boss currently have.
There's so much wrong with this post that it's hard to even begin...
First, you say no build can do sustained 1.7k DPS on a long fight. Well, there is a video on Youtube of a fire DK DOT build that procs meteor doing 1.6k DPS over the entire 10 minutes of the Serpent fight. Yea, it's real.
Second, it seems like you have never played a Sorc. When comparing a Sorc stamina build to a NB stamina build, the NB build will always be able to get more DPS and be much better just because of the class synergy with weapons. Sorc stamina builds are weak because there is no synergy with stamina builds. You think Crit Surge will help? Well, when you are already softcapped, Crit Surging only adds 10 weapons damage. Big woop. NB is still much, much stronger.
VoB useless in terms of DPS? It's a really good DoT over 20 seconds at the cost of hitting one button.3
