Raise Pop Caps

pmn100b16_ESO · January 2015

roechacca wrote: »

Make the pop cap equal to the lowest factions current population in Cyrodiil so that talent may prevail .

yes blocking people from playing pvp, makes sense. I suspect that'll be healthy for their sub rates.

Fivefivesix · January 2015

I'm curious about EP players queue numbers for thornblade. Whats the highest number you have been in queue for thornblade EP players? The highest I have been was 64 and I play DC. Took about 30-40 minutes to get in which I didn't mind to much because I needed some skyshards anyway.

As far as raising the cap limit I think its a bad idea. To much lag as it is and I don't think adding more players will help with anything but to cause more problems then we have now.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

There is absolutely no difference regarding the lag before or after the population cap changes, so just to make people able to play PvP in their Home campaign again, they might as well raise the caps to their previous value.

themdogesbite · January 2015

AD on EU Thorn queue on 100+ tonight, and the wait to get inside azura in the meantime was 30+ min. Huge influx of new (and old?) AD players recently.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO · January 2015

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Can we raise the pop caps back to where they were? It hasn't fixed the lag on thorn and we're just stuck in long queues now.

Agree raise pop caps then limit population to the lowest population on, so if DC has 100 ppl and no one in Queue limit EP and AD to 110 ppl or there abouts. This will solve two issues, lag and fairness.

Also portal people out of dense zones, lots of good MMO's have done this for many years it works well. Choose people from the highest population faction in the area to portal out.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Can we raise the pop caps back to where they were? It hasn't fixed the lag on thorn and we're just stuck in long queues now.

Agree raise pop caps then limit population to the lowest population on, so if DC has 100 ppl and no one in Queue limit EP and AD to 110 ppl or there abouts. This will solve two issues, lag and fairness.

Also portal people out of dense zones, lots of good MMO's have done this for many years it works well. Choose people from the highest population faction in the area to portal out.

This is a bad idea that will only make people leave PvP in order to force a population cap decrease. It also has very little to do with fairness. Not from a balance point of view and not from a service point of view.

pmn100b16_ESO · January 2015

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Can we raise the pop caps back to where they were? It hasn't fixed the lag on thorn and we're just stuck in long queues now.

Agree raise pop caps then limit population to the lowest population on, so if DC has 100 ppl and no one in Queue limit EP and AD to 110 ppl or there abouts. This will solve two issues, lag and fairness.

Also portal people out of dense zones, lots of good MMO's have done this for many years it works well. Choose people from the highest population faction in the area to portal out.

Thats not a good idea because players will get locked out of playing PvP on a regular basis just because the faction they rolled when they started the game has most players.

Here's a solution. Have a few smaller campaigns that have a low pop cap, this will please those that like to play the smaller scale AvA with no lag and fair numbers each side. Have a couple of larger campaigns that have high pop cap so those that prefer the larger scale AvA, even with the lag, even with a potential unbalance in faction numbers, can go play there, and not have to queue for an hour to get in and play.

Its no fun for people to come home from work, jump on eso for a couple of hours to play some pvp with friends, and spend half of that time in a queue. AD EU thorn has a 100+ player wait these days at peak time. Thats got to be addressed.

Tankqull · January 2015

Fivefivesix wrote: »

I'm curious about EP players queue numbers for thornblade. Whats the highest number you have been in queue for thornblade EP players? The highest I have been was 64 and I play DC. Took about 30-40 minutes to get in which I didn't mind to much because I needed some skyshards anyway.

As far as raising the cap limit I think its a bad idea. To much lag as it is and I don't think adding more players will help with anything but to cause more problems then we have now.

saturday evening 19:42 CET 12th in the list for thorn EU as EP´ler...
infront of me in that list 4 of my guild mates

Davadin · January 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

There is absolutely no difference regarding the lag before or after the population cap changes, so just to make people able to play PvP in their Home campaign again, they might as well raise the caps to their previous value.

just from my perspective: there's a noticeable improvement in lag for me after the new cap. rarely if ever i see 999+ ping, or unable to switch weapons, or skills got executed a second or two later...

don't get me wrong, i still want them to go back to higher cap. waiting for 100+ queue makes me unable to play at all due to personal time constraint.

playing in lag > not playing at all.

but to say no improvements is not true in my case.

pvpaddict42 · January 2015

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

Stop being lemmings and make the jump. Haderus has really picked up in activity the last couple of months. If we got a few more guilds (especially DC) heading over to Haderus more often it would be an ideal server. There is hardly ever lag there and the fighting tends to be fierce and fun.

If Haderus isn't to your flavor, you could go to one of the other campaigns, but there are viable choices to Thornblade, people just need to stop following the zerg and try out the other opportunities.

pmn100b16_ESO · January 2015

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

Stop being lemmings and make the jump. Haderus has really picked up in activity the last couple of months. If we got a few more guilds (especially DC) heading over to Haderus more often it would be an ideal server. There is hardly ever lag there and the fighting tends to be fierce and fun.

If Haderus isn't to your flavor, you could go to one of the other campaigns, but there are viable choices to Thornblade, people just need to stop following the zerg and try out the other opportunities.

Here's a novel idea, how about you have a little think as to why people want to remain on Thornblade instead of only seeing things from your loner perspective.

pvpaddict42 · January 2015

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

Stop being lemmings and make the jump. Haderus has really picked up in activity the last couple of months. If we got a few more guilds (especially DC) heading over to Haderus more often it would be an ideal server. There is hardly ever lag there and the fighting tends to be fierce and fun.

If Haderus isn't to your flavor, you could go to one of the other campaigns, but there are viable choices to Thornblade, people just need to stop following the zerg and try out the other opportunities.

Here's a novel idea, how about you have a little think as to why people want to remain on Thornblade instead of only seeing things from your loner perspective.

Oh I understand why, I just think it's a terrible choice and offered up a solution. I do laugh however that pvp outside of the zerg equates to "loner perspective" to you. Sort of reinforces the comments I made earlier.

pmn100b16_ESO · January 2015

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

Stop being lemmings and make the jump. Haderus has really picked up in activity the last couple of months. If we got a few more guilds (especially DC) heading over to Haderus more often it would be an ideal server. There is hardly ever lag there and the fighting tends to be fierce and fun.

If Haderus isn't to your flavor, you could go to one of the other campaigns, but there are viable choices to Thornblade, people just need to stop following the zerg and try out the other opportunities.

Here's a novel idea, how about you have a little think as to why people want to remain on Thornblade instead of only seeing things from your loner perspective.

Oh I understand why, I just think it's a terrible choice and offered up a solution. I do laugh however that pvp outside of the zerg equates to "loner perspective" to you. Sort of reinforces the comments I made earlier.

Nothing to do with 'zergs' I haven't grouped in pvp since beta. I have however met a lot of friendly players out on the field, from all alliances, and I would rather sit on Thorn through the periods of lag, than go off on my lonesome to another campaign. You telling people to simply jump onto another campaign would suggest you have no ties, i.e. you don't communicate with people much, if at all. That's up to you, but don't assume everyone plays in such an isolated fashion.

KBKB · January 2015

Lower pop caps have been good for DC due to our numbers always being awful, however they could probably go up 50+ and have a shorter /afk kick time.

Asgari · January 2015

Until issues like blanket negates not being negatable you will continue to have that Zerg mentality. Once that's addressed with the upcoming AoE cap changes we can go back to seeing 5+ keeps at once being flagged and not the same 2 over and over.

This will also push people into other campaigns for more even fights imo.

pvpaddict42 · January 2015

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

Stop being lemmings and make the jump. Haderus has really picked up in activity the last couple of months. If we got a few more guilds (especially DC) heading over to Haderus more often it would be an ideal server. There is hardly ever lag there and the fighting tends to be fierce and fun.

If Haderus isn't to your flavor, you could go to one of the other campaigns, but there are viable choices to Thornblade, people just need to stop following the zerg and try out the other opportunities.

Here's a novel idea, how about you have a little think as to why people want to remain on Thornblade instead of only seeing things from your loner perspective.

Oh I understand why, I just think it's a terrible choice and offered up a solution. I do laugh however that pvp outside of the zerg equates to "loner perspective" to you. Sort of reinforces the comments I made earlier.

Nothing to do with 'zergs' I haven't grouped in pvp since beta. I have however met a lot of friendly players out on the field, from all alliances, and I would rather sit on Thorn through the periods of lag, than go off on my lonesome to another campaign. You telling people to simply jump onto another campaign would suggest you have no ties, i.e. you don't communicate with people much, if at all. That's up to you, but don't assume everyone plays in such an isolated fashion.

Go back and read my original post, especially the part where I said "guilds". Did I at any point say people should switch campaigns solo? I personally stopped playing on Thornblade months ago because the performance is just so terrible it's not fun for me. I convinced most of my guild to try out Haderus as well and they like it more there as well. A lot of the time I am in pvp, I am with some guild members, and rarely play solo, though I have done so from time to time. Mostly I have guild mates that want to join me when they see me go into Cyrodil.

How about you and "your friends" from all alliances try one of the other campaigns when Thornblade is locked. All it takes is a little communication.

pmn100b16_ESO · January 2015

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

Stop being lemmings and make the jump. Haderus has really picked up in activity the last couple of months. If we got a few more guilds (especially DC) heading over to Haderus more often it would be an ideal server. There is hardly ever lag there and the fighting tends to be fierce and fun.

If Haderus isn't to your flavor, you could go to one of the other campaigns, but there are viable choices to Thornblade, people just need to stop following the zerg and try out the other opportunities.

Here's a novel idea, how about you have a little think as to why people want to remain on Thornblade instead of only seeing things from your loner perspective.

Oh I understand why, I just think it's a terrible choice and offered up a solution. I do laugh however that pvp outside of the zerg equates to "loner perspective" to you. Sort of reinforces the comments I made earlier.

Nothing to do with 'zergs' I haven't grouped in pvp since beta. I have however met a lot of friendly players out on the field, from all alliances, and I would rather sit on Thorn through the periods of lag, than go off on my lonesome to another campaign. You telling people to simply jump onto another campaign would suggest you have no ties, i.e. you don't communicate with people much, if at all. That's up to you, but don't assume everyone plays in such an isolated fashion.

Go back and read my original post, especially the part where I said "guilds". Did I at any point say people should switch campaigns solo? I personally stopped playing on Thornblade months ago because the performance is just so terrible it's not fun for me. I convinced most of my guild to try out Haderus as well and they like it more there as well. A lot of the time I am in pvp, I am with some guild members, and rarely play solo, though I have done so from time to time. Mostly I have guild mates that want to join me when they see me go into Cyrodil.

How about you and "your friends" from all alliances try one of the other campaigns when Thornblade is locked. All it takes is a little communication.

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

This you original post right? Where'd you say guilds?

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

How about you and "your friends" from all alliances try one of the other campaigns when Thornblade is locked. All it takes is a little communication.

Yes I'll contact these players (or lemmings as you called them) and drag them out of their guilds to come play on another campaign.

pvpaddict42 · January 2015

Since your reading comprehension appears to be challenged, I have gone ahead and bolded it for you.

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

Stop being lemmings and make the jump. Haderus has really picked up in activity the last couple of months. If we got a few more guilds (especially DC) heading over to Haderus more often it would be an ideal server. There is hardly ever lag there and the fighting tends to be fierce and fun.

If Haderus isn't to your flavor, you could go to one of the other campaigns, but there are viable choices to Thornblade, people just need to stop following the zerg and try out the other opportunities.

pmn100b16_ESO · January 2015

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Since your reading comprehension appears to be challenged, I have gone ahead and bolded it for you.

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

Stop being lemmings and make the jump. Haderus has really picked up in activity the last couple of months. If we got a few more guilds (especially DC) heading over to Haderus more often it would be an ideal server. There is hardly ever lag there and the fighting tends to be fierce and fun.

If Haderus isn't to your flavor, you could go to one of the other campaigns, but there are viable choices to Thornblade, people just need to stop following the zerg and try out the other opportunities.

lol, yeah, that makes up for the use of 'folks' in your first sentence. Don't pretend you didn't mean everyone. Your use of the words lemmings and 'following the zergs' makes it clear you mean all players.

You come in this thread on your high horse with a condescending and assumptious attitude, now kindly leave the way you came. You think people don't know there are other campaigns Einstein?

pvpaddict42 · January 2015

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Since your reading comprehension appears to be challenged, I have gone ahead and bolded it for you.

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

For the folks that want to pvp but don't want to wait in the queues, here is a novel idea...go to a campaign that isn't locked. Personally I don't see why people would want to pvp on the lag ridden Thornblade. Seems like every big fight there is just filled with latency and potential disconnects. If more people went to the other campaigns it would increase the activity on those campaigns and reduce the lag on Thornblade.

Stop being lemmings and make the jump. Haderus has really picked up in activity the last couple of months. If we got a few more guilds (especially DC) heading over to Haderus more often it would be an ideal server. There is hardly ever lag there and the fighting tends to be fierce and fun.

If Haderus isn't to your flavor, you could go to one of the other campaigns, but there are viable choices to Thornblade, people just need to stop following the zerg and try out the other opportunities.

lol, yeah, that makes up for the use of 'folks' in your first sentence. Don't pretend you didn't mean everyone. Your use of the words lemmings and 'following the zergs' makes it clear you mean all players.

You come in this thread on your high horse with a condescending and assumptious attitude, now kindly leave the way you came. You think people don't know there are other campaigns Einstein?

Why wouldn't I be talking to everyone, there are multiple people complaining about the queues. Folks and lemmings are plural..wow shocker. At what point did I say they needed to switch campaigns solo? Still haven't seen that. At this point it seems like you either forgot what your original point was or have no justification for it in my statement and are now just throwing out inane clutter.

If you don't like the attitude, fine, but don't try to refute with your terrible logic. I am sure people know there are other campaigns in a general sort of way (perhaps even in the, "that's my buff server" sort of way), but sometimes people need to be told the obvious. Especially the people that seem to be afraid of change and continue to hold a death grip on even poor experiences because of that fear.

Alomar · January 2015

What are these other campaigns you speak of? I'd like to go to one of these, get emp, and wreck some locals. Can anyone direct me towards one, Kishi?

pmn100b16_ESO · January 2015

My point is I don't like people with obnoxious, know it all attitudes (that is nothing more than ignorance) insulting people they know nothing about.

Your point is that 'lemmings' from Thornblade (everyone or only guilds still not clear) can play on another campaign.

Great, thanks for the input. Bye.

Pancake-Tragedy · January 2015

I don't know, it seemed appropriate.

Edit: found another good one

KBKB · January 2015

It did..

poltida · January 2015

For my self the best pvp is in Blackwater blade, we are starting to see 2 bar pop more regularly, the fact that you cannot jump a keep as v14 does without barely any effort make is alot more interesting, open field battle last forever and really makes everyone want to try and work on their skill set to improve, I say if you need a break from the zerg balls, create a new toon, lvl it to 10 and come in non-vet, join some groups, bring your experience to the new players who only knows non vet so far and it will be the best time you will have spent in this game.