It sounds like Channelled Focus will be seeing some love, seeing as it is the only magicka management skill (aside from Honour the Dead) Templars have; and it indeed doesn't scale. I hope they won't accidentally nerf it... the current magicka regeneration from Channelled Focus is actually twice as strong as what the tooltip says.

Another likely choice for giving Templars magicka management is Radiant Aura, which is currently identical to the unmorphed Restoring Aura for all intents and purposes.

Templar stamina DPS is already pretty good. We know that Biting Jabs and (?)Power of the Light will become stamina-based morphs, although I'm unsure if either would be helpful without more changes.

Changes to magicka DPS we know are coming include Solar Flare (now applies a buff to yourself that increases the damage of your next non-DoT attack, including another Solar Flare), Backlash (can now be placed on the same target by multiple Templars) and Radiant Destruction (ranged, channelled execute replacing Blinding Light).

I would also expect a buff to Vampire's Bane, as currently it does nothing but add an extra tick to the DoT while Reflective Light hits two extra targets at full strength. Eclipse, though not strictly a DPS skill, is in desperate need of some love as well.

In terms of Ultimates, we know that Radial Sweep will additionally create a pulsing damage aura, and Nova is likely to get a buff or a cost decrease.

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Other changes I'd expect, if ZOS is as thorough going through everything as we've been led to believe:

Piercing Javelin. It seems like a good skill at first glance but you'd never see any end-game Templar use it in PvP or PvE. The Aurora Javelin morph is poorly thought out as well.

Radiant Ward. No Templar goes for this over Blazing Shield.

Purifying Light. It could be that the stamina morph for Backlash will actually be this, but Power of the Light seems to fit better. In any case very weak effect.

Healing Ritual. Heavily overshadowed by both Breath of Life and Grand Healing.

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Changes I'd like to see, but probably won't happen in 1.6:

Luminous Shards. I feel Blazing Spear is just plain better, but I do see some support-minded Templars go for this.

Honour the Dead. Only the most dedicated loner would choose this over Breath of Life, but it is a pretty good morph if you don't care about healing allies.

Changes I could see coming since apparently things are getting buffed way more than I originally imagined they would be:

Spear Shards - This now does what Blazing Spear does already.

Luminous Shards - Restores 25% Magicka and Stamina and then both over time, instead of previously only stamina with stam and magic over time.

Blazing Spear - Now ignites as it hits the ground causing a short durationed but AoE stun, as well as additional/increased Damage from the DoT effect.

Backlash - This is the tricky part here, and one that can only be speculated and nothing more. I've heard mention that it's become what it is now plus a DoT, meaning that for it's cast time, you now get in return a DoT as the attack builds it's damage up for it's release, meaning it burns the enemy as it gets ready to burst, which would be great for casters and definitely work as a trade off for the cast time.

For melee users tho, that cast time is horrendous, and often would end up working against you in most situations, so I could see Power Of The Light being turned into a sort of instant cast ability that would, instead of reaching a cap and then staying there, proc immediately as soon as it's hit, which should (if the damage cap is kept realistic) mean that it hits for a moderate amount of burst damage with an instant cast attack, thus it should fit cleanly into a melee users rotation/combo list and still be highly competitive and a bread and butter skill for Templars.

Piercing, Binding, and Aurora javelin - Honestly, this skill needs to a total rework, which I detailed in other posts and one of them even got staff feedback, so I'm assuming they're going to resemble something of that stamina switch stuff they've been mentioning around here, along the lines of:

Piercing Javelin still works as a knock back but now acts as Silver Leash does, which after you knocked an enemy back, you can press this again to drag them to you.

Binding Javelin - Now leaves a small DoT on the enemy and roots nearby enemies for a short period, still allows you to drag back a single combatant to you.

Aurora Javelin - Aforementioned Stamina Morph, now becomes a melee attack that is instant cast and knocks an enemy down, dealing damage and also lighting them on fire for a DoT attack OR hitting them and setting them on fire as to weaken the enemy's armor.

Radiant Destruction - Honestly I can't wait to see what this skill looks like, and I really hope it gets some sort of instant cast or shortened channel version or something because it's gonna be fun to play with for a little while I think.

Rune Focus - And all it's morphs need to radiate off of the Templar and buff both the user and group members standing near the Templar. That will make all the difference in the world to me for a number of things.

All Skills and Passives Overall - Simply put, all skills need a cost reduction in their cost, and we'll see that our restoration/management issues aren't so bad, our stuff was simply way too pricey after the nerf to restoring warrior.

Other passives also need work but I pause to see what 1.6 will bring before making anymore speculation into what would work and what wouldn't, because frankly, the biggest thing I think that would make Templars what they really ought to be would be changing Balanced Warrior to give a flat bonus to both spell and weapon damage, Burning Light to be able to proc off of Weapon Attacks as well, and Restoring Spirit to Return a small portion of Stamina from Staff Heavy Attacks and a small portion of Magicka from Melee Weapon Heavy Attacks (this would go a long way in helping Templar Tanks I believe).

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Forgot stuff!

Healing Ritual - This needs it's cast time reduced globally OR it's healing value greatly increased.

Lingering Ritual - No delay on the additional heal, but instead after the first burst heal a HoT is placed on those affected by it which culminated into a final, larger burst heal at the end.

Ritual Of Rebirth - Depending on what happens to Healing Ritual, this version would either have a grossly, truly significant reduction in cast time or a massively significant heal attached to it. We shall see.

Vampire's Bane - Front end damage increased very slightly, DoT damage increased, doT duration decreased.

Explosive Charge - For F***'s sake remove that weird and silly self stun global cooldown man, sheesh.

Solar Flare - Less Holy Mortar Fire, more flaming Hadoukens. Also, make it so it self buffs the user for a duration OR buffs the party's damage against a creature

Dark Flare - If Solar Flare's changes are met, this is fine.

Solar Barrage - Increase range and damage, leave alone.

Really good points @Khivas_Carrick, so good

I'm very glad they're addressing some of the issues.

I'm a bit cynical, since they've been saying they were going to fix Templar's magicka management since June (literally). But at least they are attempting to address the problem, so that is good.

Well tbh: Sorc got a very vaible playstyle. I don´t like being limited to one build where pretty much everybody runs the same 8+2x skills. It is quite vaible though.
Just accept you´re the negate bot and let the hate flow through you

Gonna have to be some major buffs then.

After the changes they've already stated for staff scaling and crit surge, sorcs will have to choose between boosting dps or having a self heal with crit surge morphs, rather than having both as we currently do. That's a concrete nerf as far as PvE is concerned, unless ZOS goes back on their word and changes crit surge in some other way.

There's a number of sorc skills that need to be completely redesigned:

1. Rune Prison - Cmon, literally the only use this skill has in the game is to troll ppl by trapping them on their horses indefinitely.

2. Bound Armor - Between Lighning Form and Immovable, no one uses this skill. Ever.

3. Daedric Mines - It's a great skill for dueling, but the cost is absolutely insane. 617 base cost. There are 3 problems with this skill; the cost, the arming time, and that ZOS nerfed it so bosses don't trigger it period.

4. Curse - Part of the cookie cutter sorc, but it has severe limitations. Only one Curse can be active on a target, if another sorc casts Curse on someone you Cursed, your Curse gets erased, their Curse gets applied and the timer resets. Because of this, in large fights Curse basically becomes a 0 DPS skill.

Just a taste of skills that should be revamped.

Petrify is actually useful in duels against stam builds, so I'm told.

@Cinbri These negates sorcs....

im kiddin, don't shoot me!

jopeymonster wrote: »

/QQ on

I'm debbie-downer right now w/1.6/1.7. Seeing way to much /maybethis, /maybethat from ZOS. I agree with much of what @ThatHappyCat‌ is saying up there, but I feel much of these changes coming are really geared toward PvE, and Templars will begin to have issues in PvP. Anyone that says Templars are too OP/hard to kill/blah in PvP need to seriously l2p. I'll GLADLY give up Rushed Ceremony/BoL AND the RS Ultimate for a class specific version of any of the following: Bolt Escape/Ambush (don't even try to say Templar Charge is this, don't even go there), Green Dragon Blood, Soul Harvest, Crit Surge, Mage's Fury, Dark Exchange, Dragonknight Standard, Talons, Mark Target, NB Fear, Cinder Storm (had something like this but it was "too powerful", ), Molten Weapons, or Overload.

In fact - I'd trade the whole Restoring Spirit tree for any ONE of those skills...

EDIT: I would give up the entire RS and DW skill trees for any one of those mentioned skills/ults. Templar skills are that underwhelming.

Had I know that the classes would really be so unbalance, and if I had more time, I would just level another class up. But for now, I'm stuck with a subpar jack-o-trades.

/QQ off

Seems as though you are playing the wrong class. I would never give up BOL for any of that crap cause BOL is the best skill we have as temps. It makes the entire party better in PVE as it allows them more opps moments. In PVP it needs no justification in group play.

Only time I suppose you would not want BOL is when you are soloing PVE and PVP. In that case Templar may not be the best option although even in its current state is more than viable.

Of course I am speaking from a healing/support role which is where the Templar shines.

jopeymonster wrote: »

I'm debbie-downer right now w/1.6/1.7. Seeing way to much /maybethis, /maybethat from ZOS. I agree with much of what @ThatHappyCat‌ is saying up there, but I feel much of these changes coming are really geared toward PvE, and Templars will begin to have issues in PvP. Anyone that says Templars are too OP/hard to kill/blah in PvP need to seriously l2p. I'll GLADLY give up Rushed Ceremony/BoL AND the RS Ultimate for a class specific version of any of the following: Bolt Escape/Ambush (don't even try to say Templar Charge is this, don't even go there), Green Dragon Blood, Soul Harvest, Crit Surge, Mage's Fury, Dark Exchange, Dragonknight Standard, Talons, Mark Target, NB Fear, Cinder Storm (had something like this but it was "too powerful", ), Molten Weapons, or Overload.

In fact - I'd trade the whole Restoring Spirit tree for any ONE of those skills...

Whoa.

I know the Templar has some craptastic skills and has issues with magicka based DPS, but let's not go overboard.

I mean you just said you'd trade Breath of Life and it's entire tree for Cinder Storm...

Robocles wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

This is what I would want to see in the near future:

Breath Of Life gets replaced with Combat Prayer in the Resto Staff and Resto Light trees. This way the excuse of "Templars can heal the best so their dps should be trash!" gets thrown right the *** out the window. Thanks to this switch, everybody has access to the best heal in the game and now Templar DPS gets to be shot up high to be as good as everyone else, keeping in the style that everybody can do everything, just in different "flavors" so to speak.

If you want clarification on this, just let me know and I'll be glad to explain what I mean on flavors and similar mechanics; different looks.

Those are completely different mechanics. Combat Prayer (which I LOVE) is a frontal aoe heal that can heal up to the aoe cap (and buff them with armor/spell resist/damage buff) while BoL is a semi intelligent heal... and will heal 2 other members even if out of range.

You completely misunderstand what I'm getting at, but good try at explaining what I meant.

The difference in flavor refers to how classes offer up the same services but under different guises with minor but very distinct differences between them.

For example a Warrior with a 2H sword and a Rogue with two daggers. Both are melee, both deal the same damage and both go about it killing things up close and personal, but have obviously distinct things about them, such as a rogues poisons and a warrior's battlecry.

In this case between Combat Prayer and Breathe Of Life, giving restore staff BoL makes it so every class has an uber powerful burst heal, but makes it so each class then has a unique buff or skill to separate them for the sake or class identity. Dragonknights would have Molten Weapons, Sorcerers pets and daedric skills, Nightblades siphoning and veil, and templars combat prayer. And obviously each class would have a great deal more to use other than what I mentioned.

If people can't grasp something that simple, I have bad news for the general population that honestly believes that my idea is entirely unfounded and generally bad, especially since that's what's going on right now, just horribly imbalanced.

The first character I ever created was a Templar, and I'm almost certain, that after getting a V14 DK and NB that I want to main a templar.

I can't wait for 1.6 to be on the PTS to see the changes, and I hope I can Finnish leveling my temp before it comes out.

Teargrants wrote: »

3. Daedric Mines - It's a great skill for dueling, but the cost is absolutely insane. 617 base cost. There are 3 problems with this skill; the cost, the arming time, and that ZOS nerfed it so bosses don't trigger it period.
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Yea its good for dueling or small scale pvp, but the dmg is bugged and doesnt take sharpened trait or possibly any spell penetration into account so the dmg is pretty low for the, yes, pretty insane cost.