Cathexis wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

First stahp hatin' on ma DK!

Agreed.

The hating will continue until the hating stops and the hating has only just begun to continue and not stop with the hating that has begun.

DK hate is rooted in op tanking combined with stun/root exploit (so a mechanical problem that is actively being used to create an unfair advantage).

Sorc tele hate is just hating on sorcs cause people want to kill squishies and not have to put in any effort to chase them (because that would mean giving up root/stun exploits and op tanking for skills that would allow chasing). There's a reason you can't just massacre sorcs with unbreakable stun/root and live forever, because then there would be no reason to play anything but DKs.

Taking away sorc tele is just reinforcing laziness. If you want to kill sorcs, you need to play to kill sorcs. Just like you need to play to kill any other class in the game. Its not sorc teles fault that you haven't put mobility in your build.

But if it came down to nerfing it to a point of unusability, there are better options than just making it impossible for sorcs to move around. There are other mechanics by which to change tele beyond its mana cost.

Also I'd like to point out that if the ability didn't let you teleport more than twice, it would be useless, unless it was given other modifiers to compensate. The only reason its even on my bar is because I can use it 4 times in a row to completely leave combat (which by the way, sucks out all your magika)

Then I think that is a misplaced hate as DK's are not the only ones who can jump into a zerg and not die, nor is the stun/root a specific DK thing.

I don't think the sorc hate is from people wanting to kill squishes. Squishy is a build in this game. I think it comes from the same source as those that hate DK's, and that is frustration over difficulty in killing something in ones build.

I haven't seen any sorc hate over bolt recently. I think it would be undue atm if there was because in 1.6 there will be stamina or magicka morphs that may in themselves result in a difficulty in ones ability to use bolt as effectively as before.

Cody wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

As a sorc there is no reason a sorc can streak 6+ times in a row. If they allow it just reduce the distance traveled.

I have seen NON EMP sorcs streak over 10 times in a row... TEN TIMES.

Now im not complaining about the skill(as its the broken CC mechanic that frustrates me, not the skill itself) but sorcs can streak FAR more than 6 times. FAR MORE

It's not as if you wouldnt just die if someone is on the other end or be able to do that if you hadnt full magicka anyway...

Seriously, that is as if you would hate on a vamp spamming mistform, wich is just as easily countered.

My sorc teles almost infinitely. I don't see a problem with that. I still die. Sorc port doesn't make you immune to damage.

There's no question that the skill has been over nerfed.

They should remove the magick regen penalty and the subsequent cast penalty and instead increase the base cost by about 10%.

Nijjion wrote: »

Streak will become really OP with a 60 person spammable stun in 1.6 (I forsee a nerf with this).

You know who else has an uncapped spamable disorient? DKs!

It's called Erruption. Has never had an aoe cap and since its a disorient, just like streak it has no CC immunity.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

As a sorc there is no reason a sorc can streak 6+ times in a row. If they allow it just reduce the distance traveled.

Isn`t there like x pathetic self promotion posts from you stating that you cant play anything else anymore since you touched a dk cuz you feel so mighty? You are no sorc anymore, sorry.

Reduce range for a spell that has half the range of any charge and costs double after first activation + magicka regen 0 for 4 secs....hahaha.

Your are a funny, little fellow.

You sound like an awfully bitter batswarmer.

Lighten up!

Kris, you, as always, sound like a very sad & desperate no lifer with too much time at hand, who should really try to keep his whine and passive-aggressive comments for himself.

You will be a much happier person and not the itchy cryblade you are.

All of that from the suggestion to lighten up... I'm feeling kind of sorry for you.

Lighten up!

No need to lighten up, im good. You should only worry about yourself. I do, buddy, I do.

How sad must one`s live be, that he is running circles with the same baseless generic whine and wanna be smart comments day in, day out, as a grown up, in a video game forum? Get a job, a girlfriend, something that makes you a happier person, as I said before.

Theres always hope, my sad little friend.

Personally I feel the nerf to streak was too severe for todays state of the game, with all the gap closers that are available to people, its not really an issue.

The 50% cost increase is calculated before anything else, so the cost is much more severe then youd think. The mana regen part of the nerf is fine.

But when fighting someone with a gap closer such as charge/invasion etc, the spell should be renamed from Bolt Escape to Beat Myarse. Since the nerf will make you run out of mana LONG before your enemy would even get close to run out of stam.

Nijjion wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

I have seen NON EMP sorcs streak over 10 times in a row... TEN TIMES.

Is that all? I've seen it more (but only about 1-2), a lot of sorcs run seducer/warlock/ + magicka pots and you get a crazy amount... not forgetting a transfer skill from stamina to magicka/health... you can get this off quite nicely even if you're not far from an enemy if you get a good out of sight situation.

Also to add...

Streak will become really OP with a 60 person spammable stun in 1.6 (I forsee a nerf with this).

It was OP compared to other abilitites when it was not AoE capped because of the ult regen. Wich is, I think, a main reason for the new ult regen system, wich still sounds very silly.

If you see 60 players in the same spot in 1.6, they either have all immovalbe or something, or they are just idiots. In that case any AoE would be sufficient.

It will not stun a zergball, given those will still exist, and it won't generate Ultimate as well.

Sniping BE sorcs who are running away is fun. Watching those arrows fly like homing missiles before the sorcs do the flop is worth all the lulz.

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Sniping BE sorcs who are running away is fun. Watching those arrows fly like homing missiles before the sorcs do the flop is worth all the lulz.

And this, like shield charge, is way too easy.

BE has so many counters that are so easy to pull of there is no question that the nerfs were a mistake.

NordJitsu wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Sniping BE sorcs who are running away is fun. Watching those arrows fly like homing missiles before the sorcs do the flop is worth all the lulz.

And this, like shield charge, is way too easy.

BE has so many counters that are so easy to pull of there is no question that the nerfs were a mistake.

Well to be honest, BE WAS ridiculous back on early release. A sorc could bolt in, fight, bolt out, heal instantly, bolt back in.... etc, and never run out of mana.

The nerf is out of date atm. Its too severe for all the counters people have learned now, bolt escape is no escape anymore, its a setup to be invaded atm if you try to use it as escape. I use it in my rotation to do dmg, and the nerf makes it so I cant use it offencively as often as I want, so im stuck with my other 2 dmging abilities.

The magicka regen out of combat is enough of a nerf. Devs should revisit this nerf and make it so the restriction in combat is lessened alot, but the out of combat restriction are unaffected as it is now.

kijima wrote: »

I love it when you kill a sorc while he/she is half way through a Bolt Escape on hilly terrain, so when they die they end up being a floating pile of ash.

Good times.

Re: Bolt Escape. No one likes to chase their dinner, and this is how I see BE.

This pretty much explains why BE and its morphs need a buff. Using it well takes skill. You have to know your surroundings: distance estimates, where are enemies, where are NPCs, what is the terrain like and what areas of terrain will give you trouble (thanks Zeni). Sorcs do not jump to a target player which would be easy mode if we were melee-oriented-- we have to learn to jump where we calculate, using the above considerations, is the most advantageous geospatial location. That all may sound like something you, for example, may "pfftbb" about, but it's the main reason sorc play takes a much higher skill level than others; on top of that sorc is, in my opinion, the weakest class in PvP at the moment.

Why should sorcs be thought of universally as "dinner"? Don't you want to actually have an enjoyable, longer-than-a-few-seconds fight with them? What are you afraid of?

NordJitsu wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Sniping BE sorcs who are running away is fun. Watching those arrows fly like homing missiles before the sorcs do the flop is worth all the lulz.

And this, like shield charge, is way too easy.

BE has so many counters that are so easy to pull of there is no question that the nerfs were a mistake.

Well to be honest, BE WAS ridiculous back on early release. A sorc could bolt in, fight, bolt out, heal instantly, bolt back in.... etc, and never run out of mana.

No it wasn't. Most players just hadn't developed the skill to counter it yet and ZOS responded to the whiners prematurely.

right..... right:/