Morshire wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

It's not "shut up and be happy with the game"... it's "you're not happy, we've got it, you've said it in hundreds of posts, threads and ways, you see it doesn't change a thing and if it did it would not be right now, so please give it a rest".

Some of you really sound like babies who'll cry loud believing it will obtain them what they want. Ears hurt after a while.

Well it shows you are listening which should count for something. But I need to ask, how many people have you actually "heard" talk about this? And if your "ears" hurt, then why would you enter a thread that clearly says, "Welcome to TESO, the only game that penalizes people who play the most." (I mean seriously, you were blindsided by what that possibly could mean?) Lastly, if your "ears" hurt, maybe, just maybe, this is getting through to everyone, including ZOS, and maybe they will..........?

Don't discount people's opinions because you don't agree or you are tired of reading it. Stop reading these threads, move on, and let us voice our complaints in peace. Just saying, you don't get brownie badges for defending ZOS. And maybe ZOS will ignore our complaints, doesn't mean they have to stop being made because someone else doesn't like it.

Indeed. You get an insightful from me. I'll stop reading the complaints, just like ZOS have

I don't get people asking for comment. ZOS has already commented. Like it or not plans changed and everyone is getting 30 cp. What will they comment on?

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't get people asking for comment. ZOS has already commented. Like it or not plans changed and everyone is getting 30 cp. What will they comment on?

compensation for experience gained from vr1-vr14, into the replacement champion system. i purposely said vr1 because even a VR1 with 5 exp should get credited to the replacement system for that 5 exp.

Thats the part of the plan that changed. They already stated this stuff a while back. Like it or not (I dont like it but it is what it is) thats the official word. No compensation for xp beyond vr1.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

one can argue that the statement i placed in bold, only touches the question of experienced gained after VR14, but not necessarily the experience between VR1-VR14[/quote]

One could argue that the sky isnt blue also. Doesnt mean the sky changes color.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

It's not "shut up and be happy with the game"... it's "you're not happy, we've got it, you've said it in hundreds of posts, threads and ways, you see it doesn't change a thing and if it did it would not be right now, so please give it a rest".

Some of you really sound like babies who'll cry loud believing it will obtain them what they want. Ears hurt after a while.

It's ZOS we have empirical proof that crying works. They have gave in to the cry babies since day one and that is why we are in this situation.This whole CS /no VR BS was brought on buy crybabies that couldn't handle leveling in an MMO and couldn't emotionally handle the fact that level scaling may bring a situation where you are killed by a Mudcrab at lvl 50 . It is therefore definitely worth a shot to try the cry as high as you can method for once in order to make them reconsider implementing such a crappy idea.

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO and @Grao thats why i canceled my account. i don't think they will change their mind regardless.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO and @Grao thats why i canceled my account. i don't think they will change their mind regardless.

Im not happy about it but I wont quit over it. I have two chars vr10 who finished the cadwells quests. Another is vr8 almost done with cadwells silver.

/golfclap

wrong is wrong, lies are lies. if they bull *** us now they will later on. its a long term decision; not a short term, gamer-rage quit. i have no inclination to pay them to back pedal things they say in this particular instance. i don't know if i would have quit post-implementation, though i probably would have. i have 14 years MMOing under my belt with major time in LOTRO (raiding included), WOW (raiding included), EQ (some raiding), have played a bit of SWTOR, star trek online, age of conan, anarchy online, SWG, matrix online. and i have never experienced anything this ridiculous. SWG had the CU where they easy-moded jedi or whatever and that hit the game hard. LOTRO went so easy-mode my tank was soloing 6-man instances-sometimes i didn't stop pulling mobs until i hit the boss and then id take out the mobs then focus on the adds; sometimes i didn't stop to kill the adds, i just killed the bosses and killed the mobs on the go. LOTRO just put out update15 for free to my account and i STILL won't play it and im a founder to boot.

really stupid moves are the ones that kill MMOs even if they don't know when the time to die is.

I will continue as well. ZOS is not stupid. They are a business that survives by making money, money that comes from us. I am going to wait this out. The game is one of the best if not the best out there. I choose to believe that they will compensate at a latter release.

Grao wrote: »

Heruthema wrote: »

I will continue as well. ZOS is not stupid. They are a business that survives by making money, money that comes from us. I am going to wait this out. The game is one of the best if not the best out there. I choose to believe that they will compensate at a latter release.

Would be nice having a statement confirming that though...

I very much agree and I think that is their failing right now. They are doing very little damage control at this point and that is the problem.

Grao wrote: »

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO and @Grao thats why i canceled my account. i don't think they will change their mind regardless.

I am still hoping they will answer our concerns and pretend we misunderstood their initial post. But... how are you still posting here if you canceled your subscription? o.0 ZoS usually blocks non users from posting on this forum.

because i was too slow. literally the day i went in to cancel was the day it resubscribed. what sucks is my wife's account cut off at the beginning of the month so now i just tool around til the end of the month when mine lapses. once the 22nd comes up it will boot me from being able to post on the forums.

Heruthema wrote: »

I will continue as well. ZOS is not stupid. They are a business that survives by making money, money that comes from us. I am going to wait this out. The game is one of the best if not the best out there. I choose to believe that they will compensate at a latter release.

at this point i consider them fairly stupid. ignorance is one thing, but the lack in VR compensation is not ignorance, especially when combined with the undaunted BS. so far they seem to go out of their way to do every stupid thing any other MMO i have played wouldn't do.

i agree though that this game is pretty damn good. it is very sloppy, in most regards, but it still has its big qualities. sloppy will more than likely be refined after the steal some of the ideas the add-on crews have out there. its just run by.... stupid.

@ahstin2001nub18_ESO you point out a serious flaw that many MMO's have suffered: greed. While yes, they are all a business model, and yes, they need to make money for their work....kind of like the VR levels earned...but when a company puts their profits over everything (Including their own integrity), then it is a gradual, or swift, decline into crappy game play. The biggest draw for me to ESO, besides the fact that I love the ES series, was that they told us they would be staying P2P so they could continue to develop and give us a great game with new content every 6 weeks (and while that alone wouldn't make me mad, it is ambitious and I could take the set backs) but they also said they would be open and listen to the players in development. (This is paraphrasing, so don't flame me for quotes)

While my gaming career may not be as in depth as many others, I can count LOTRO as a game that I started with and watched decline to the point of quitting. When it went F2P, it started a decline that led to tanks that could walk out of the room and never lose their agro (cause it was too hard to focus on launching skills all the time), with 30K health (cause food and potions that didn't last forever was too much work) or 30K DPS damage (cause people needed to see the massive numbers to feel impressive), or having to buy things to remain competitive (cause people were to lazy to even raid for gear). But you know what was the biggest fall of all, they stopped listening to their "hardcore" fans and began to do what the masses of unskilled, mindless hoards of players wanted, a simple mindless, skill less game. (My opinion)

ESO at conception appeared to be everything that other games were not, and they may still be (their is still plenty about this game that makes it better than most). The point is that when they stray from what made them stand out, they start to blend into the numerous other titles I no longer play. When your "hardcore" gamers leave, or you stop listening, a game losses (IMO) one of its' vital components - gamers that not only help iron out the flaws, but that drive the development teams to create more and better aspects. (No offense intended, I now have to categorize myself as "casual") "Casual" gamers don't drive end game, or harder levels, or test run content prior to release. (I am not saying only "hardcore gamers do this, I am saying that the bulk of it is done by them.) Without that challenge to the game designers, or the feedback, then that development team focuses on what makes the remaining people happy, housing, emotes, /dancemovesofTamriel, etc.

(Don't flame me here, I think there is value in all of it, I am just saying that empty VR levels attest to this, and the 5% who actually have run all end game only show this. The gamers streaming stuff on PTS are mainly not your "casual" gamers either.) IMO, you cannot draw in hardcore gamers with "words" (since promise still seems to elude some people) and then completely and utterly discount their contributions and hope to retain those same players who helped to bring this game live. The vast majority of the BETA testers are these same "hardcore" players that have, or will, leave. Ask yourself, do you enjoy this game? Devs didn't do it without the players. Now do you want to trade in your game for something else? If not, then people may want to look to these forums and to those that quit, because they helped get us here and if we lose them....

(These are all general terms and in no way meant to discount anyone or what they may have brought to the game. I am generalizing because while the statements account for most, they are not meant to mean all.)

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While my gaming career may not be as in depth as many others, I can count LOTRO as a game that I started with and watched decline to the point of quitting. When it went F2P, it started a decline that led to tanks that could walk out of the room and never lose their agro (cause it was too hard to focus on launching skills all the time), with 30K health (cause food and potions that didn't last forever was too much work) or 30K DPS damage (cause people needed to see the massive numbers to feel impressive), or having to buy things to remain competitive (cause people were to lazy to even raid for gear). But you know what was the biggest fall of all, they stopped listening to their "hardcore" fans and began to do what the masses of unskilled, mindless hoards of players wanted, a simple mindless, skill less game. (My opinion)

i feel your response is pretty accurate. i do think that LOTRO was less about greed and more about appeasement. when they released the "easy mode" changes i could read exactly how their mechanics changes were going to ruin the game. when it released, it was the only expansion for an MMO i have ever played that KILLED the population. guilds usually have to deal with a mass influx of new players that always end up leaving again, but this one did it in the opposite in every respect.

Inklings wrote: »

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

at this point i consider them fairly stupid. ignorance is one thing, but the lack in VR compensation is not ignorance, especially when combined with the undaunted BS. so far they seem to go out of their way to do every stupid thing any other MMO i have played wouldn't do.

Lets not forget about the Scourge PvP campaign that was shut down prematurely after players fought for two months with zero compensation for anyone.

Its very important that people remember this stuff. How many times are we going to let them keep doing stuff like this before we as a player base say enough is enough.

i agree, and honestly, i only forgot that because i think i was out in no-mans-land during that occurrence, so i canceled my sub since i was literally in the middle of no where without lan lines let alone a cell phone lol.

@ahstin2001nub18_ESO - rather than quote you, I will just agree. And rather than bash LOTRO, again I'll agree. Either way you wash it, games have a tendency to travel down a non reversible road that has lead to me uninstalling and onto whatever else I can find.
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Currently I am grinding away at Cadwell's Silver / Gold. I figure I will either see a change from ZOS and all that effort will bear fruit, or I got to experience end game before I decided to unsub. (And I know, I personally won't see the change as my efforts came after the announcement, but I am okay with that and I want to experience the whole game, even if I am wasting it) I am still holding out, despite the writing on the wall so to speak, that this gets changed in a way that does not "stiff" players yet again.

Morshire wrote: »

@ahstin2001nub18_ESO - rather than quote you, I will just agree. And rather than bash LOTRO, again I'll agree. Either way you wash it, games have a tendency to travel down a non reversible road that has lead to me uninstalling and onto whatever else I can find.
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Currently I am grinding away at Cadwell's Silver / Gold. I figure I will either see a change from ZOS and all that effort will bear fruit, or I got to experience end game before I decided to unsub. (And I know, I personally won't see the change as my efforts came after the announcement, but I am okay with that and I want to experience the whole game, even if I am wasting it) I am still holding out, despite the writing on the wall so to speak, that this gets changed in a way that does not "stiff" players yet again.

i still do crafting writs but thats about it, ill just play to make me feel like i got my 15 bucks worth.

Lovelyn wrote: »

Legitimate complaints, I understand... like if the collision detection didn't work. That would suck. I'm a casual player.. 6 months and I've only got to 45 with my main. Maybe you need a break from games. *takes computer away*

this is probably the best advice i should take. i think my time in the MMO branch of gaming is just over.

Guppet wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Ohioastro wrote: »

Inklings wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Why are so many people missing this very simple concept?

Cause they don't think it effects them in a negative way at all. Most of them aren't or wont get to end game to be effected by decisions like this.

If 30 CP makes my characters have the same power as they did at VR14 I lose nothing. If I've done all quests and don't like gaining exp in other ways it doesn't matter whether I have 30 CP or 3,000 CP; I'm done with the things that I like to do in the game. People can understand the points involved perfectly well and disagree with them.

No, because you would understand that the CP is the point. If we don't have those quests to do because we already did them with the understanding it would count, it's going to be a lot more difficult for a V14 than a V1 who has 2 factions worth of content ahead of them. Is this seriously that difficult to grasp? I really can't explain it any more plainly.

Those 2 other factions will account for approximately 90 CP and that's with full enlightenment bonus. So unless everyone is going to max out at 120, people were always going to need to find other content anyway.

People need to stop clinging to the cadwells silver and gold argument. Assuming the casual completes them, they too will be out of content.

The real issue is a lack of new content. Which we all know is due to how long it has taken to implement the champion system.

If you have run out of any new content, then im sorry, but you options are to do repeatable content, or come back when new content is added, not sit here moaning that some other players have not run out of content yet. That's just utterly selfish.

Where are you getting this information? That doesn't even make any sense.