F2P model you always end up pay more money then for P2P model and the are no argument about it would leave or stay if ESO went F2P i would mostlike leave for thing is with F2P the will be bring more people aswell troll on forum and know it all player to game which may look fine in number department but it will slowly kill the game of most people.

I've had hours of debates lately about how F2P and B2P are fully viable, and find myself at a loss about how people can really believe the quality will be maintained.

Sure GW2 and other games function with these systems but do people here actually play them? The content release rate, lack of in game system expansion and overall content is laughable.

In honesty I too was a little oblivious to the differences until I went and sat in London and listened to Naoki Yoshida and others from Square, talking about how FFXIV uses the P2P system for only one reason - Its whats required to maintain quality.

Now again, maybe alot of people havent played FFXIV. Its a traditional MMO design, with a pretty good production quality. Its entirely p2p and has a solid player base.

Of that crowd there isnt anyone I've met on their game/forums who doesnt appreciate the p2p model.

Now thats irrelevent here. This is ESO. However; comparitvely FFXIV doesnt have a good many of the features present here. Area scale (design cost?), Full voiceover, and progression systems (spell crafting, dark brotherhood etc) and its still taking a paid expansion next year before it has the kind of money they need to expand its systems properly - and thats after a huge subscriber base has been paying since FFXIV went live.

To that end a cut in budget in ESO would likely level this game. Don't misread - the game probably wouldnt close.

But in order to get the content quality, progression systems and otherwise ESO needs to continue developing it would have to borderline encourage pay 2 win cash shop items, or I seriously doubt the budget would come anywhere close.

Long term that will cripple this games quality. I honestly believe that, having seen the same thing 20 times or so over the last decade.

Naoki Yoshida - Game Director of FFXIV

It comes down to what players want, what players want from an MMORPG is that they want updates, they want content, they want something to do and to provide this type of content at a regular pace, high quality content at a regular pace, we need a stable development team system – and to have a stable development team system, you need stable income. Subscription based models give us that stable income.

Probably not, though GW2 was quite enjoyable despite being F2P (well, you had to buy the box.. but still!).

Doesn't matter to me as such. F2P is just a business model. A business model I despise for various reasons. But I don't play games for their business model.

Still, if the game gets worse, I'll leave.

Tread carefully.

Edit: On a side note, it's funny to see that when the subbing model was first introduced, everyone was shocked that you'd have to pay a monthly fee to be able to play the game you already paid (the game box itself). No one was willing to pay (or so they said).

At the time, I was one of the dudes saying it was a logical model, especially if it comes with constant and regular updates (and maintaining servers costs money).

Now everyone misses the subbing model. And for good reasons I'm afraid.

Man I hate it when I'm right

I state "I won't stay" because in all likelihood I wouldn't. It doesn't mean the game would be a failure, as I have already had countless hours of fun and feel the purchase and subscription has already paid for itself in pure game value. This is already a complete game. As for why I'd leave, it has more to do with the type of community that frequents F2P model games.

No Foreseeable Leverage or Interest
The majority of individuals who F2P hop have no vested interest in maintaining the community, gameplay, or development of the game state. They'll get their 2 or three months of play, perhaps with a guild, till they are bored and instead of demanding for better game mechaincs (or demanding without predictable leverage), they will simply find the next big F2P and do the same thing there.

No Initial Investment Required
This is a huge thing... If you don't have to pay to setup an account, then you don't have to feel obligated to direct the game as a trial consumer. People will hop in to farm with bots and snipe customers with low deals with no real interest in actually playing the game. They'll target other trial costumers who are actively interested in the game and cheat them or spam them. It's a horrible experience and I don't want ESO back to the way it was in the first few weeks after launch, before ZOS was able to close those accounts of botters.

The Quality of the Community
Aside from having no leverage and no investment, the next would be the gateweay that initial investments provide to those who have no intention of ever investing, sub or cashshop, who simply want to grief. It's a little different if the person you are reporting is subbing... because they paid for something that they could possibly loose for breaking the game's Agreements. If there's no sub, there's nothing (really) to loose. The whales will have everything, the trolls will greif everyone, and the subbers will still be silent and in their own bubble ignoring all zone chat and only RPing with their guildmates until the community dies as a whole.

This isn't to say that sub models don't have these problems, but they seem multiplied exponentially in my experience with F2P models.

This also isn't to say that all F2P players are whales, trolls, botters or griefers, but you can't blame a subber for automatically assuming this in zone chat in a F2P environment.

Someone mentioned LoTRO and f2p, same thing here. It destroys the culture and authenticity of game. I refuse to support that. Buy to play and subscription are the only acceptable models for me. If a producer doesn't charge me for a product up front, that tells me the game isn't valued as it should be. As such, I refuse to support that lack of self respect. LoTRO is what turned my indifference to hatred, supported by Rift and SWTOR transitions. I hope this, Wildstar, and FF14 all keep their subs. Let the fail games become f2p. Let the real games maintain their dignity.

Depends how well it's handled.

If it's SWTOR style where everything ever worth having comes from the cash shop instead of gameplay than no.

This is my stance on F2P explained in this video

I have played this game is because it 'wasn't' F2P.

if it goes f2p i will most likely convert to console and look for another sub pc mmo. I think with f2p it would be to easy for hacks and bots to take over again. I remember the early days when there was standing room only in the bot filled dungeons and the wall hacks in PvP. Sorry, but no thank you.

I can't support a F2P game as the focus transforms into trying to obtain money and funding. Development, design, and even bug fixes take a back-seat to the cash-shop, costumes, and time/action barriers.

The requirement for a person to become invested into the MMORPG disappears. Why do you care about something that didn't cost you anything?

It simply isn't worthwhile for me to invest my time and energy into a F2P game.

wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »

People that leave games BECAUSE theyre free to play must not be playing any MMOs anymore, at least not ones made in the past decade.

You are not incorrect... I've pretty much stopped playing anything that didn't require some kind of investment from me.

I just have no interest in games that are F2P... or they communities they tend to create.

Brandalf wrote: »

Inklings wrote: »

doesn't mater, already unsubed.

Can I have your stuff?

What stuff? There isn't any crap in this game that is so difficult to get that you need to beg people that are leaving. Seriously. Even if you just want rare mats all you have to do is put a few passive points in and log in and collect it. There isn't much in this game that requires more than minimal effort.

I will leave the game. and stop supporting it. lore storyies. or even the return of the dwemer could not get me back.. Zenimax will be reduced to the same status as EA for me.. complete boycott.

i supported the game. somehow got banned on facebook. most likely my own fault. but I still love the game and will want to support it unless it goes F2P

ESO going F2P will be the biggest bitchslap one can possible receive and no goodybag is gonna make up for that.

ZOS, don't even think about F2P!!!
Best choice is leave payment as is. I don't want even B2P.
P2P is the best model.