Stop hating on sorc tele

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I like streak better than ball. Ball is nice for dueling, but streak is better for bomb groups with the stun and ulti build. Ball is defensive; streak is offensive.

BTW streak can be decent damage, bumped into a NB yesterday, streak crit for 760, crushing shock crit for 700, mage's wrath and game over. Not every bow noob you streak though is running too little impen and 2.2k heath but it's always fun to insta-gib one!

BTW most classes have a lot of useless skills that never see the light of PVP. Sorc is not the exception but most classes have a few jewels in each class discipline as well and sorc is also not the exception to that.

Agreed streak has a niche use for the stealthy sorc or for trolling zergs by streaking through them in a more offensive style of play.

I play more of a battle mage / fighting caster style so BOL fits my playstyle better. For my particular playstyle streak gives up too much survivability. I could see streak also being better in group oriented play as it will allow you to build negates a bit faster by hitting multiple opponents by streaking through them. As a stick and robe user, BOL works better for me.

xMovingTarget · January 2015

Lorkhan wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

First stahp hatin' on ma DK!

never

*sadface*

Cathexis · January 2015

@woodsro i feel the same way about BE/BOL/Streak. I can see streaks utility more now, but when I played with it before it was much harder to use effectively. I use it unmorphed stacked with charge cos BE doesnt give away your position for enough time to get a new charge lock.. thinking about going back to streak again though for the damage.

Nightreaver · January 2015

Itoq wrote: »

The best (and worst) part about slotting a charge is that it often has general utility (not just for countering ~1/2 of sorcs' class defining abilities.)

The thing I find sad is that our class defining ability is the ability to run away. And that what frustrates other classes is not the fear of what we can do but rather that they must chase us down to kill us.

ToRelax wrote: »

If not GDB I'd take Honor the Dead though...
Can I have another common AoE pls?
Like Blazing Shield, Sap Essence, Talons, Breath...

roechacca wrote: »

Sure just lose pulse

Did I miss the update where pulse became a Sorcerer class ability?
I personally would have no problem losing pulse... as long as they gave Sorcerers a class ability that was comparable to it.

Once upon a time a small boy came across a discarded lamp which he picked up and took home. When he attempted to clean it a genie named ZOS appeared who told the boy he would grant him ONE wish.
The boy quickly grabbed the lamp and took it to the circus where they watched a Magician keep the crowd in awe by creating Lightning bolts and Fireballs out of thin air. He then ended the show by pulling a rabbit out of his hat.
Unable to contain his excitement any longer the boy turned to the genie and said "THAT is my wish, that is what I want to be."
The genie replied "And so granted." And turned the boy into a rabbit.

I want to be a Sorcerer, not a rabbit.

Wreuntzylla · January 2015

Tiny statues. Damn those things.

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

@woodsro i feel the same way about BE/BOL/Streak. I can see streaks utility more now, but when I played with it before it was much harder to use effectively. I use it unmorphed stacked with charge cos BE doesnt give away your position for enough time to get a new charge lock.. thinking about going back to streak again though for the damage.

Yup, with streak you just have to remember your vulnerable from behind to its counters and because it doesn't stun in a huge circle around you before teleporting it gives up defensive utility for a little bit of offense, just gotta decide if that trade off is worth it for your build and playstyle.

RadioheadSh0t · January 2015

No one wants to trade bolt for GDB or Breath of Life? What a surprise...

Tell you what, I'll give you Bolt and the whole Daedric Summoning line for either.

DezIsDead · January 2015

woodsro wrote: »

Bolt Escape is the only ability sorcs really have, without it our class wouldn't be viable. Its a tough row now, as sorcs are much harder to be successful with because the margin of error is much smaller then with other classes.

Negate is our only real game changer, but is best utilized by groups and placed strategically.

Bolt escaping and running away don't give us any AP.

I notice most use Streak but IMO Ball Of Lighting is superior in every possible way.

BOL creates a shockwave around the caster that stuns targets, and then teleports you forward creating a Ball that absorbs all spell projectiles. Targets behind you are stunned, and most ranged attacks behind you get absorbed so its a more complete escape. BOL counters over half the skills used to counter it such as Shards, Binding Javelin, etc.

There are those that say BOL leaves trails to follow to track you down, but I don't use BOL to run away and hide stealth, I use BOL to reposition, stand behind my protection balls and deal damge at range. Outside of Velicious Curse other Sorcs have no spell attacks the balls wont absorb. Templar ranged spells are absirbed except spear shards you wont be in range for. Only bow attacks are really a threat behind your orbs.

Streak IMO is only better for the stealth sorc who does use it to run away and go stealth with vamp passives or gear for increased stealth movement speed to get away, but they are still easier to catch due to being vulnerable to Shards or Binding Javelin from behind, or being hit with Mages Wrath while trying to get that second streak off where with BOL they would have survived. The damage from Streak is negligible, and it loses the AOE stun for a disorient, any damage will break a disoreint, a stun must either wear off or be CC broken with a stamina cost.

If BOL wasn't an option, I probably wouldn't even morph the skill, if I really just couldn't handle the glowing balls, I'd just leave Bolt Escape unmorohed. The unmorphed version of Bolt Escape is better then streak due to the AOE stun behind you instead of a straight line in front of you offers better survivability. Just my 2 cents.

Yes folks need to stop crying about BE it takes thought and a lot of resources to use correctly. It is powerful to those who know how to use it for tacticful repositioning, running away is the least useful use of it IMO.

I disagree, BoL only stuns at the landing point if I recall correctly, where as streak stuns everyone (up to 6) in its path. That's why I prefer it, streaking through group to stun them, because then they are either stunned or burn stam to break free. Less stam=less blocking=dead much faster. But maybe I'm wrong about BoL

jopeymonster · January 2015

Streak is only good for open ground PvP. Sorcs in the keeps are fodder since streak goes NO WHERE.

/thread

WraithAzraiel · January 2015

No

Cody · January 2015

I only get annoyed when I break it's stun, only to be stunned again 3 seconds later, so much for CC immunity. However, like you have likely guessed, that is more of an immunity mechanic problem, not a BE problem.

Oh, and to the guy who said NBs have cloak... nice:D I would have raged at you had I not seen the lol in parenthesis next to it

NordJitsu · January 2015

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

I'll trade Bolt for Green Dragon's Blood or Breath of Life?

Anyone? Anyone?

Didn't think so.

Seconded.

If BE is so powerful, take it. Give us a self heal instead and I'll be happy.

k2blader · January 2015

NordJitsu wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

I'll trade Bolt for Green Dragon's Blood or Breath of Life?

Anyone? Anyone?

Didn't think so.

Seconded.

If BE is so powerful, take it. Give us a self heal instead and I'll be happy.

I wouldn't want just a self heal. I wouldn't find the sorc class as interesting to play without the maneuverability of a "blink" of some sort.

It's really weird to me that folks still complain about sorcs "running away" when the ability to stay out of physical range is integral to a sorc's success. It would make no sense to just stand there and let another player beat on your very lightly armored body. But I feel like some still believe that's exactly what a sorc should do.

That said I also don't think it makes any sense to brag about hitting a char with 2k health sort of hard with Streak. Grats on beating a VR1? So please if you're going to talk about sorc BE awesomeness, make sure it's actually, you know, awesome. -_-

KBKB · January 2015

ThyIronFist wrote: »

I dont know most sorcs when they're on their own or in any 1v1 situation they just blink away like cowards, I dont want to see it nerfed because its always fun seeing them desperately blink away, resulting in either escape, or death by blinking off a cliff or blinking into a tree.

Blinking away... or making you drain stam to chase us.. you decide.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Streak? We got Immovable and Ambush for that. Good luck wasting your mana.

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

DezIsDead wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

Bolt Escape is the only ability sorcs really have, without it our class wouldn't be viable. Its a tough row now, as sorcs are much harder to be successful with because the margin of error is much smaller then with other classes.

Negate is our only real game changer, but is best utilized by groups and placed strategically.

Bolt escaping and running away don't give us any AP.

I notice most use Streak but IMO Ball Of Lighting is superior in every possible way.

BOL creates a shockwave around the caster that stuns targets, and then teleports you forward creating a Ball that absorbs all spell projectiles. Targets behind you are stunned, and most ranged attacks behind you get absorbed so its a more complete escape. BOL counters over half the skills used to counter it such as Shards, Binding Javelin, etc.

There are those that say BOL leaves trails to follow to track you down, but I don't use BOL to run away and hide stealth, I use BOL to reposition, stand behind my protection balls and deal damge at range. Outside of Velicious Curse other Sorcs have no spell attacks the balls wont absorb. Templar ranged spells are absirbed except spear shards you wont be in range for. Only bow attacks are really a threat behind your orbs.

Streak IMO is only better for the stealth sorc who does use it to run away and go stealth with vamp passives or gear for increased stealth movement speed to get away, but they are still easier to catch due to being vulnerable to Shards or Binding Javelin from behind, or being hit with Mages Wrath while trying to get that second streak off where with BOL they would have survived. The damage from Streak is negligible, and it loses the AOE stun for a disorient, any damage will break a disoreint, a stun must either wear off or be CC broken with a stamina cost.

If BOL wasn't an option, I probably wouldn't even morph the skill, if I really just couldn't handle the glowing balls, I'd just leave Bolt Escape unmorohed. The unmorphed version of Bolt Escape is better then streak due to the AOE stun behind you instead of a straight line in front of you offers better survivability. Just my 2 cents.

Yes folks need to stop crying about BE it takes thought and a lot of resources to use correctly. It is powerful to those who know how to use it for tacticful repositioning, running away is the least useful use of it IMO.

I disagree, BoL only stuns at the landing point if I recall correctly, where as streak stuns everyone (up to 6) in its path. That's why I prefer it, streaking through group to stun them, because then they are either stunned or burn stam to break free. Less stam=less blocking=dead much faster. But maybe I'm wrong about BoL

Streak dusoreints in a straight line from starting point till the end, you have streak though a target to disorient.

Unmorphed BE/BOL creates a 360 shock wave around the caster at the starting point that stuns anyone in it and then ports forward. The ball just adds further defensive utility to spells behind you. The orbs absorb mages wrath, shards, crushing shock, etc.

Streak will build utly faster doing damage and is more of an offensive skill BE/BOL is more defensive. I just prefer BOL, that's what ezareth used and he was the one who actually changed my mind about it on here there is a thread somewhere he he posted in awhile back.

In some of his videos you can see BOL gave him a significant advantage against other caster classes due to the defensive nature of the skill.

Streak still has uses though and is a better offensive skill I that's your play style, if you prefer to stay at range and attack BOL may be better. Just gotta experiment and see what suits your style the best.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Whenever I fight Sorcerers, I always cry when they manage to use BOL to get out of my Ambush range, while the actual ball he poops out absorbs my Cripple spam.

Nightreaver · January 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Whenever I fight Sorcerers, I always cry when they manage to use BOL to get out of my Ambush range, while the actual ball he poops out absorbs my Cripple spam.

See, that's what I mean.

When people complain about DKs they complain about
DKs soloing entire groups of PvP players

When people complain about NBs they complain about
NBs ambushing and killing people before they even have a chance to react.

When people complain about Templars they complain about
Templars being impossible to kill, they just keep healing themselves.

When people complain about Sorcerers they complain about
Sorcerers always running away and being too hard to catch.

When someone sees a lone Sorcerer they aren't shivering out of fear
they're shivering with antici....pation.

Asgari · January 2015

As a sorc there is no reason a sorc can streak 6+ times in a row. If they allow it just reduce the distance traveled.

Mojomonkeyman · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

As a sorc there is no reason a sorc can streak 6+ times in a row. If they allow it just reduce the distance traveled.

Isn`t there like x pathetic self promotion posts from you stating that you cant play anything else anymore since you touched a dk cuz you feel so mighty? You are no sorc anymore, sorry.

Reduce range for a spell that has half the range of any charge and costs double after first activation + magicka regen 0 for 4 secs....hahaha.

Your are a funny, little fellow.

bosmern_ESO · January 2015

Its called blink, not teleport.

Mojomonkeyman · January 2015

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Its called blink, not teleport.

It`s called "escape" actually, not blink... wrong game, dude.

DezIsDead · January 2015

woodsro wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

Bolt Escape is the only ability sorcs really have, without it our class wouldn't be viable. Its a tough row now, as sorcs are much harder to be successful with because the margin of error is much smaller then with other classes.

Negate is our only real game changer, but is best utilized by groups and placed strategically.

Bolt escaping and running away don't give us any AP.

I notice most use Streak but IMO Ball Of Lighting is superior in every possible way.

BOL creates a shockwave around the caster that stuns targets, and then teleports you forward creating a Ball that absorbs all spell projectiles. Targets behind you are stunned, and most ranged attacks behind you get absorbed so its a more complete escape. BOL counters over half the skills used to counter it such as Shards, Binding Javelin, etc.

There are those that say BOL leaves trails to follow to track you down, but I don't use BOL to run away and hide stealth, I use BOL to reposition, stand behind my protection balls and deal damge at range. Outside of Velicious Curse other Sorcs have no spell attacks the balls wont absorb. Templar ranged spells are absirbed except spear shards you wont be in range for. Only bow attacks are really a threat behind your orbs.

Streak IMO is only better for the stealth sorc who does use it to run away and go stealth with vamp passives or gear for increased stealth movement speed to get away, but they are still easier to catch due to being vulnerable to Shards or Binding Javelin from behind, or being hit with Mages Wrath while trying to get that second streak off where with BOL they would have survived. The damage from Streak is negligible, and it loses the AOE stun for a disorient, any damage will break a disoreint, a stun must either wear off or be CC broken with a stamina cost.

If BOL wasn't an option, I probably wouldn't even morph the skill, if I really just couldn't handle the glowing balls, I'd just leave Bolt Escape unmorohed. The unmorphed version of Bolt Escape is better then streak due to the AOE stun behind you instead of a straight line in front of you offers better survivability. Just my 2 cents.

Yes folks need to stop crying about BE it takes thought and a lot of resources to use correctly. It is powerful to those who know how to use it for tacticful repositioning, running away is the least useful use of it IMO.

I disagree, BoL only stuns at the landing point if I recall correctly, where as streak stuns everyone (up to 6) in its path. That's why I prefer it, streaking through group to stun them, because then they are either stunned or burn stam to break free. Less stam=less blocking=dead much faster. But maybe I'm wrong about BoL

Streak dusoreints in a straight line from starting point till the end, you have streak though a target to disorient.

Unmorphed BE/BOL creates a 360 shock wave around the caster at the starting point that stuns anyone in it and then ports forward. The ball just adds further defensive utility to spells behind you. The orbs absorb mages wrath, shards, crushing shock, etc.

Streak will build utly faster doing damage and is more of an offensive skill BE/BOL is more defensive. I just prefer BOL, that's what ezareth used and he was the one who actually changed my mind about it on here there is a thread somewhere he he posted in awhile back.

In some of his videos you can see BOL gave him a significant advantage against other caster classes due to the defensive nature of the skill.

Streak still has uses though and is a better offensive skill I that's your play style, if you prefer to stay at range and attack BOL may be better. Just gotta experiment and see what suits your style the best.

Completely see your point. Also I would agree streak is more of an offensive skill. Before I ran in better groups I ran BOL, now I run streak. To each his own though. I wasn't sure about the BOL stun so Ty for that, I thought it was on your landing point. Yay for clarification!

bosmern_ESO · January 2015

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Its called blink, not teleport.

It`s called "escape" actually, not blink... wrong game, dude.

Its known in RPG's that when there is a Sorcerer that can shift from one area to another, usually a small distance or few meters (and not at a massive distance) It's called a Blink. The ability is a blink, that is called Bolt Escape.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

As a sorc there is no reason a sorc can streak 6+ times in a row. If they allow it just reduce the distance traveled.

Isn`t there like x pathetic self promotion posts from you stating that you cant play anything else anymore since you touched a dk cuz you feel so mighty? You are no sorc anymore, sorry.

Reduce range for a spell that has half the range of any charge and costs double after first activation + magicka regen 0 for 4 secs....hahaha.

Your are a funny, little fellow.

You sound like an awfully bitter batswarmer.

Lighten up!

kewl · January 2015

Mojomonkeyman · January 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

As a sorc there is no reason a sorc can streak 6+ times in a row. If they allow it just reduce the distance traveled.

Isn`t there like x pathetic self promotion posts from you stating that you cant play anything else anymore since you touched a dk cuz you feel so mighty? You are no sorc anymore, sorry.

Reduce range for a spell that has half the range of any charge and costs double after first activation + magicka regen 0 for 4 secs....hahaha.

Your are a funny, little fellow.

You sound like an awfully bitter batswarmer.

Lighten up!

Kris, you, as always, sound like a very sad & desperate no lifer with too much time at hand, who should really try to keep his whine and passive-aggressive comments for himself.

You will be a much happier person and not the itchy cryblade you are.

KBKB · January 2015

Moko actually has some points

/throws petrol

Armitas · January 2015

xMovingTarget wrote: »

First stahp hatin' on ma DK!

Agreed.

The hating will continue until the hating stops and the hating has only just begun to continue and not stop with the hating that has begun.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

As a sorc there is no reason a sorc can streak 6+ times in a row. If they allow it just reduce the distance traveled.

Isn`t there like x pathetic self promotion posts from you stating that you cant play anything else anymore since you touched a dk cuz you feel so mighty? You are no sorc anymore, sorry.

Reduce range for a spell that has half the range of any charge and costs double after first activation + magicka regen 0 for 4 secs....hahaha.

Your are a funny, little fellow.

You sound like an awfully bitter batswarmer.

Lighten up!

Kris, you, as always, sound like a very sad & desperate no lifer with too much time at hand, who should really try to keep his whine and passive-aggressive comments for himself.

You will be a much happier person and not the itchy cryblade you are.

All of that from the suggestion to lighten up... I'm feeling kind of sorry for you.

Lighten up!