"IF" ESO goes F2P will you stay?

Elloa · January 2015

abigfishy wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

they also kept the regular subscrition. With that running everything was like before it went F2P. You had access to everything and even got points per month to use in the shop + additional discount for everything in the store. With a system like that i wouldnt mind.

That is the best solution. If they go F2P leave subscription as an option and GUARANTEE that all subscribers get 100% access to all content.

That would not change the most important issue to a F2P model:

- Toxic community
- Content develloped to make you use your money aka mount, xp boost potion, treasure maps or keys for chest and all that crap instead of good content!

WraithAzraiel · January 2015

I'm sticking around. If they can pull it off right, great. If not. What other fantasy MMO's of this caliber are out there?

None. I love the universe and I enjoy the game. I'm in.

CDNGP · January 2015

I prefer a Subscription but I also don't mind models like todays SWTOR & Everquest etc. that allow to still Subscribe just like ESO does right now & get Full Access to all the games features etc. & maybe little extras for doing so wile supporting the game you love.

I've experienced the transition from Sub to F2P first hand & its not pretty, you get an influx of players who could care less about the game because they are not invested in it, what do they got to loose? nothing at all. but a game like Everquest has survived for 15+ years with & without a required Sub & still pushing out new expansions? SWTOR as well.

So yes I prefer a Sub but all this sky is falling BS is uncalled for. I believe & I hope if & when they do it will be along the same lines as EQ & SWTOR where its not 100% F2P but more of just giving you a Big Taste of the game but the ones who are invested in the game get the ESO they want & deserve.

itsZiz has some great thoughts on this & LOL! my "sky is falling" was unintentional or subliminal from watching this a week ago! LOL!. -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5seRthYuKO4

CDNGP · January 2015

Vis wrote: »

Lotro after f2p. End of argument.

LOTRO is still an Excellent Persistent Online game, TONS of content & highly recommend.

Pmarsico9 · January 2015

F2P is more money than a sub. So no way.

Lord Xanhorn · January 2015

Elloa wrote: »

- Toxic community
- Content develloped to make you use your money aka mount, xp boost potion, treasure maps or keys for chest and all that crap instead of good content!

Both of these is why F2P sucks. The quality of player goes way down and so does the content quality. Devs start using resources to make things to sell in the cash shop instead of making content that is fun.

I've used this example in the past when discussing with friend...F2P is like a hotel and P2P is like a home. Both cater to different kinds of people. F2P caters to short term no investment players and P2P caters to long term fully invested players.

Kraven · January 2015

notagamergirl.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/mmos-and-payment-models-2/http://

True nearly 2 years ago when they announced sub model as it is today. In fact was seen on ESO's facebook page on nearly a daily basis back then, surprised I still have it bookmarked.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Thank god the options in this poll are totally free of any bias.

LonePirate · January 2015

I hope ZOS looks at these poll numbers and rethinks any plans they may have had regarding F2P. Of course, ZOS has exhibited a complete indifference to what players think and express so I doubt these results will change that.

MrGhosty · January 2015

I'm not sure what I would do if ESO went free to play, buy to play with dlc costing I'm used to but some of the things I enjoy most would be likely targets for paywalling and that would make me angry, potentially angry enough to not play anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised if the dropping of that subscription amount was just down to business or legal related and doesn't have any bearing on the direction the game is going.

Xjcon · January 2015

I'm curious since these threads keep going. What makes people believe that it will ever become a f2p game. I've not seen ZOS claim they are going that direction only other people trying to poll forums every week.

Exarch · January 2015

It depends on the specific implementation; Rift remained fully playable and enjoyable in its F2P incarnation, whereas SWTOR was so blatantly punitive in what you had to pay for, and spent so much in-game effort chastising you for not being a subscriber, that I found it unplayable.

Elsonso · January 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

I'm curious since these threads keep going. What makes people believe that it will ever become a f2p game. I've not seen ZOS claim they are going that direction only other people trying to poll forums every week.

They could make a statement (they won't) and repeat it every day. Matt Firor could make an entire The Road Ahead with nothing else but "We will remain a subscription game" over and over. They could increase the subscription cost and announce that every adult on the North American continent is now a subscriber. It could be the last surviving MMO.

It would not matter. Years will go by and someone will look back and say, "golly, it never went F2P." The first response will be someone saying "not yet, but it will later this year."

NukaCola · January 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

I'm curious since these threads keep going. What makes people believe that it will ever become a f2p game. I've not seen ZOS claim they are going that direction only other people trying to poll forums every week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCJ4OoONfz8

I might be sooner than you think. Yes i know its nothing close to official but anyway. Many have this same feeling including myself.

Elsonso · January 2015

Let me guess. Someone made a video about the speculation that they read on the forum.

Yippeee!

ers101284b14_ESO · January 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

Let me guess. Someone made a video about the speculation that they read on the forum.

Yippeee!

We are famous!!! wave to the camera!!!!

Melian · January 2015

F2P = P2W - or just not worth playing.

DDuke · January 2015

These news are spreading pretty much all around the internet, I don't think it'd harm ZOS to make a statement why they've removed the 6-month subscription (no, I don't buy that "it wasn't as popular as other options" bs for a minute).

If they've got nothing to hide, why not explain things?

I remember reading a post by @ZOS_GinaBruno I think it was, how the company would remain "open & honest" about their future plans & policies.

This removal of 6-month subscription, it's everything but "open & honest" currently, if you ask me.

Elsonso · January 2015

I'd still prefer that the 180-day subscription return instead of them explaining why they removed it.

DDuke · January 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

I'd still prefer that the 180-day subscription return instead of them explaining why they removed it.

Yes, either one of the two options would be good.

I think this warrants a new thread on the forums, since I can't really find the older ones anymore.

AoEnwyr · January 2015

It depends how it is done. Neverwinter is F2P but believe me, you pay if you want to be competitive in any way come end game content (probably my worst experience with an MMO). Defiance went F2P (it always had a cash shop for vanity items anyway) but you in no way need to spend additional money in a cash store to be effective in game. It's mostly cosmetic and the useful things you can buy can be acquired in game without having to grind at it for 80 hours a week.

General_Kefka · January 2015

With the lack of content recently i can barely see staying subbed let alone them ever having a B2P model...The whole last years content was far from enough for an expansion. I hope they dont try to add Imperial City as an Expac...that should have been in at launch. I'm pretty sure any attempt at F2P and I would be leaving also.

Elsonso · January 2015

General_Kefka wrote: »

With the lack of content recently i can barely see staying subbed let alone them ever having a B2P model...The whole last years content was far from enough for an expansion. I hope they dont try to add Imperial City as an Expac...that should have been in at launch. I'm pretty sure any attempt at F2P and I would be leaving also.

LOL. I almost took you seriously for a second before I realized you were being sarcastic!

Harleyquincey · January 2015

I would absolutely not mind it - IF - it is done as it was done in SW:TOR which to this date has the single best item mall in existence imho, it absolutely forces players to sub if they want to experience joy outside of regular questing and that's absolutely how it ought to be. Everyone who's subbed simply remains getting everything for free plus a monthly allowance of the currency for some vanity items (which are the only ones purchasable other from the ease-of-use features only non-subbers need).

THEburnb16_ESO · January 2015

I´d leave. I don´t like systems where you can get ingame currency for real money like in Guild Wars or Wildstar.
This true p2p system TESO has at the moment is great and makes this game and its community so unique.

General_Kefka · January 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

General_Kefka wrote: »

With the lack of content recently i can barely see staying subbed let alone them ever having a B2P model...The whole last years content was far from enough for an expansion. I hope they dont try to add Imperial City as an Expac...that should have been in at launch. I'm pretty sure any attempt at F2P and I would be leaving also.

LOL. I almost took you seriously for a second before I realized you were being sarcastic!

What makes u think i was being sarcastic?
I was being 100% serious...Some of us have been at endgame for awhile...have 13k achieve points and have done every quest in the game.... Our last "Content" update was what? VCoA? lol....not really so .... Serpent/DSA.....thats old content imo....been clearing that for 3 months.... I PERSONALLY am about sick of them adding patches with things that should have been implemented at launch and calling it Content.....changing game systems/skills/mechanics does not equal content to keep us from being bored. Its getting to the point where I log in and stand around a town with nothing to do...

DDuke · January 2015

General_Kefka wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

General_Kefka wrote: »

With the lack of content recently i can barely see staying subbed let alone them ever having a B2P model...The whole last years content was far from enough for an expansion. I hope they dont try to add Imperial City as an Expac...that should have been in at launch. I'm pretty sure any attempt at F2P and I would be leaving also.

LOL. I almost took you seriously for a second before I realized you were being sarcastic!

What makes u think i was being sarcastic?
I was being 100% serious...Some of us have been at endgame for awhile...have almost 13k achieve points and have done every quest in the game.... Our last "Content" update was what? VCoA? lol....not really so .... Serpent/DSA.....thats old content imo....been clearing that for 3 months.... I PERSONALLY am about sick of them adding patches with things that should have been implemented at launch and calling it Content.....changing game systems/skills/mechanics does not equal content to keep us from being bored. Its getting to the point where I log in and stand around a town with nothing to do...

13180 achievement points

"Good" thing I still get to pray the RNG god for SO Ophidian pieces, else there'd be nothing left to do in game.

General_Kefka · January 2015

DDuke wrote: »

General_Kefka wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

General_Kefka wrote: »

With the lack of content recently i can barely see staying subbed let alone them ever having a B2P model...The whole last years content was far from enough for an expansion. I hope they dont try to add Imperial City as an Expac...that should have been in at launch. I'm pretty sure any attempt at F2P and I would be leaving also.

LOL. I almost took you seriously for a second before I realized you were being sarcastic!

What makes u think i was being sarcastic?
I was being 100% serious...Some of us have been at endgame for awhile...have almost 13k achieve points and have done every quest in the game.... Our last "Content" update was what? VCoA? lol....not really so .... Serpent/DSA.....thats old content imo....been clearing that for 3 months.... I PERSONALLY am about sick of them adding patches with things that should have been implemented at launch and calling it Content.....changing game systems/skills/mechanics does not equal content to keep us from being bored. Its getting to the point where I log in and stand around a town with nothing to do...

13180 achievement points

"Good" thing I still get to pray the RNG god for SO Ophidian pieces, else there'd be nothing left to do in game.

Well i only need sash of Infallible Aether...and since that is only from coffers...I guess i could continue to pay 15 bucks for 1 raid a week... seriously... if i didnt enjoy my guildies i wouldnt be still playing.... SRSLY NEED MOAR CONTENT!

Soulborn_Solitude · January 2015

Would this be around the time they add a dozen different currency options to use at your local rip me off market? What you don't have to worry...it's free! Right....

Soulborn_Solitude · January 2015

samueltannerb14_ESO wrote: »

It all depends on the model. I still play Lord of the Rings Online, SWTOR, and Rift. There are others I have tried that I can not stand.

I like rift too...it's all about rocking a cape!