Komma wrote: »

Either make the buffs always on in pve or do away with them all together. 2 alliances having buffs servers and the other alliance getting beat up on is demoralizing to the whole player base. Was a bad idea to begin with imo. Buffs from the campaign should stay in the campaign.

Or, <gasp>, play the servers the way they were intended. The reward for the players who go and fight in AvA is buffs in exchange for their time and efforts. If an alliance does not want to put any effort into a campaign, they get no buffs.

Darlgon wrote: »

Komma wrote: »

Either make the buffs always on in pve or do away with them all together. 2 alliances having buffs servers and the other alliance getting beat up on is demoralizing to the whole player base. Was a bad idea to begin with imo. Buffs from the campaign should stay in the campaign.

Or, <gasp>, play the servers the way they were intended. The reward for the players who go and fight in AvA is buffs in exchange for their time and efforts. If an alliance does not want to put any effort into a campaign, they get no buffs.

In theory or on paper this sounds great. It isn't the reality and any body who isn't lying to themselves can see that. Forcing pve people to pvp is like forcing pvp players to pve. It can kill your player base.

Cody wrote: »

Komma wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

Komma wrote: »

Either make the buffs always on in pve or do away with them all together. 2 alliances having buffs servers and the other alliance getting beat up on is demoralizing to the whole player base. Was a bad idea to begin with imo. Buffs from the campaign should stay in the campaign.

Or, <gasp>, play the servers the way they were intended. The reward for the players who go and fight in AvA is buffs in exchange for their time and efforts. If an alliance does not want to put any effort into a campaign, they get no buffs.

In theory or on paper this sounds great. It isn't the reality and any body who isn't lying to themselves can see that. Forcing pve people to pvp is like forcing pvp players to pve. It can kill your player base.

Well One does not need PvP buffs to do PvE to begin with.

You get 500 health from just porting in to pvp. What if you had to earn that 500 health through pve. I don't disagree with you Cody. Why I suggested to just get rid of pvp buffs for pve.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

bring it back.

There are a lot of people in here who have never done Serpent and have no idea how difficult it is. Nobody has completed Hard Mode yet, and not for lack of trying.

PVErs come fight for your buffs in game instead of on the forums. Your AD friends asked for some EP opposition, so a few of us homed there. Then the server capps changed, so a few more homed there... Posts like this are just stupid. Don't poke the lions if you don't wanna get bitten..

Darlgon wrote: »

Komma wrote: »

Either make the buffs always on in pve or do away with them all together. 2 alliances having buffs servers and the other alliance getting beat up on is demoralizing to the whole player base. Was a bad idea to begin with imo. Buffs from the campaign should stay in the campaign.

Or, <gasp>, play the servers the way they were intended. The reward for the players who go and fight in AvA is buffs in exchange for their time and efforts. If an alliance does not want to put any effort into a campaign, they get no buffs.

This would be a fair assessment if the buffs were working as intended. As it stands, Azura's is still locked out and EP retains all buffs regardless of scroll/emp/keep possession. We have absolutely zero motivation to play on our home server other than to farm AP.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

bring it back.

How can you be so callous to that sweet pouting face? Where is your heart? Where is your AMERICAN soul?

I don't think I have such a soul. Glad to play on EU then if they can't be bad guys on NA .

Subtomik wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

There are a lot of people in here who have never done Serpent and have no idea how difficult it is. Nobody has completed Hard Mode yet, and not for lack of trying.

It took months and months if not sometimes years to clear end game
Content In other games, I dont see the issues.

The longest a boss has ever gone unkilled in WoW is 86 days for Ouro, Hard Mode Serpent has surpassed that record. Hard content is good, but all the people in here saying that the PvE content in this game is easy are not smart.

ZOS' first attempt at content was too easy because it was their first attempt, their second attempt (DSA and Serpent) were excellently scaled.

Subtomik wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

The longest a boss has ever gone unkilled in WoW is 86 days for Ouro, Hard Mode Serpent has surpassed that record. Hard content is good, but all the people in here saying that the PvE content in this game is easy are not smart.

ZOS' first attempt at content was too easy because it was their first attempt, their second attempt (DSA and Serpent) were excellently scaled.

I think you are confusing the longest to kill from time of the instance opening, with longest to kill from the boss before.

ouro was killed 86 days after twin emps, not 86 days after AQ opened.

we werent getting world firsts, but did open the gates on our server and were in the hunt for top couple dozen us guilds.

i believe medivh was the first server to open it, and it was many months before the first ouru. and the first cthun came right after

IIRC C'thun was killed before Ouro due to Ouro being an optional boss.

Darlgon wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Subtomik wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

There are a lot of people in here who have never done Serpent and have no idea how difficult it is. Nobody has completed Hard Mode yet, and not for lack of trying.

It took months and months if not sometimes years to clear end game
Content In other games, I dont see the issues.

The longest a boss has ever gone unkilled in WoW is 86 days for Ouro, Hard Mode Serpent has surpassed that record. Hard content is good, but all the people in here saying that the PvE content in this game is easy are not smart.

ZOS' first attempt at content was too easy because it was their first attempt, their second attempt (DSA and Serpent) were excellently scaled.

I beg to differ if you think Ouro was the longest before being killed. Everquest was released in March 15, 1999. The "unkillable" game boss Kerafyrm, "the Sleeper" was killed on November 15, 2003. So, the longest would be four years and 8 months. <Sigh, even reading about that in the forums was exciting.>

However, I am pretty sure the poster you were responding to was talking about "normal" players, not the elitist type who have to be server first in everything.

Hence "in WoW".

This is why Cyrodiil buffs shouldn't work in trials. Raid of PvP'ers shouldn't be able to crash the PvE leaderbord, mess up trial night for multiple guilds and so on.

Don't get me wrong, I love crashing filthy buff campaigns to. Killing angry and self-entitled Crushing Shock spammers with 0% impen, is the best. Knowing I ruined the enemy's timed trial attempt makes me feel smug and fulfilled. :grimacing:

But wouldn't it be better if they gave all characters a few passive trial buffs while removing the Cyrodiil buffs? I don't think PvE leader-boards and results should be affected by PvP to this high degree. Saying this as someone (biased ofc) playing for a faction that's been lacking a stable buff-camp since old Wabbajack. Undoubtedly leading to lack of interest in endgame PvE and progression. This is not a good system.

I think a lot of people are missing my point. I do not want a dead buff server. I ENJOY going to defend it... But I work 40 hours a week. I need to sleep now and then. And.. I actually really enjoyed breaking up my PVP and spending some time helping out DC in non-vet PVP. Having 2 sides make underhanded deals to team up on a single buff server because they're too cowardly to stand up individually, and they would rather fight only where they have an advantage rather than hitting all 3 buff servers... That's where I call shennanigans. Coming to Haderus and feeling self important because your organized PVP specialists can take out some AD players who just got to Cyrodil trying to defend their home turf while you work in teams with 4-5 guilds from 2 different factions... are you really proud of that?

Please ZOS fix the lag on Thornblade! A server where most of the players are experienced with PVP is the only place where we'll ever see truly challenging fights.

Like it or not Buffs impact the game outside of PVP. You should LIKE this because a lot of players won't bother with PVP otherwise. If you preach that buff servers should not be dead servers let's see you putting your actions where your words are and doing raids on Azura and on Chillrend!

So this is the call to arms! Whose who have AD characters, try playing it from the other side and defend Haderus! This is meant to be a game, and a game is at it's best when most of the players are enjoying it. Good fights all around. Let's stand up for fair fights, and for spreading the love. If AD gets boring again I'll be right back on my DC character helping out where I'm needed.