Buff Servers, Not Haderus?

ElfFromSpace

CALL TO ARMS!

This is a call out to everyone with an AD character to stand up and fight on Haderus. If you don't like two faced players who arrange handshake alliances for 2 sides to team up against one, PUSH BACK. If you are a DC or EP player, show your courage for a fair fight and hit each other instead of hiding behind a cowardly alliance. Bring the fight evenly to all of the servers, go out in arms to Azura's Star and to Chillrend!

So apparently a couple of AD players prodded EP and or DC to come to Haderus and now, for the last 3 weeks EP and DC have been working together to mess with AD's "Buff Server" There is now more action on Haderus than Thornblade.

The whole buff server mechanic has good and bad sides. The good side is that being able to get or protect buffs drives the mainly PVE players to join PVP. Having some significant reward to achieve makes PVP much more meaningful, especially for players who like to do both sides of the game.

The negative side is that the buff servers have often been turned into dead servers forcing the action onto Thornblade resulting in 1 laggy server and 3 inactive servers.

Now DC and EP are working together and taking the buffs on Haderus so often and so consistently that it's sapping the fun from the game for a lot of people.
Guilds that used to run Trails Trainings 2 times a week are finding that the training runs made up of half newer Trials players fail, particularly when the buffs are lost just before or during a training.
People who are less experienced at PVP are jumping in and trying to help only to be mocked and trolled by the PVP die-hards.
Players trying to defend their buffs are getting pretty sick of seeing some (not all) of the blues and reds flaunting when they're working together. Like the blue I saw pouring oil on yellow in a red keep tonight

I see PVP only players constantly preaching "You don't need buffs" But I never see those players help teaching runs through trials and vet dungeons. I hear people say "I just want to PVP, I don't care about your buffs" but that's clearly not true. If people were just trying to PVP they would spread it around more and hit some of the other buff servers. Tonight I saw blues and reds side by side defending the same keep multiple times, which is not normal fair play tactics of people just trying to have fun. People say "If you want buffs you should defend them" but it's not possible to defend buffs at the same time as doing PVE.

In the last few weeks I've had more fun in PVP than I had for months before and I thank the people on all factions for helping me have a good time. Unfortunately I also have been unable to assist with a single Trials Training, and have been unable to get a group and help my boyfriend complete some of the Vet dungeons he still needs. It's caused a great deal of stress for the people who traditionally try and help other members learn, and some hurt feelings. I don't care how good you are, V12 undaunted and trials are not easy to do when some of your group is still learning and most players will NEVER learn unless someone is able to teach them. Players may leave the game when they hit the wall and can't get the support to progress into the vet PVE content.

I don't care how much of a jerk 5% of the players in this game are, MOST players from each faction are here to have a good time. I hope that the bulk of the DC and EP players will consider that in the long run you will have more fun too in a game where players aren't leaving guilds and the game. Consider expanding your horizons, spread the love around and stir up other "buff servers" or maybe even take a night off to teach or learn some of the PVE content.


ADDITION:

Suggestion to the devs, and other players:
Buff servers clearly aren't working right. They cause drama, frustration. PVP players get mad that PVE players want their buffs left alone. PVE players get mad that the more effort they actually put into earning their buffs, the more likely they are to loose them since the PVE players like to go where there is activity.

What if buffs were linked to your campaign reward tier? Every campaign reset PVE players would have a reason to go, PVP, earn their buffs. Once earned they could keep them knowing that their efforts aren't a complete waste of time. There would need to be some sort of control allowing different players to reset their buffs at different times so not everyone would go and PVP for the same 3 days and then leave such as once you earned the tier 3 buff you keep it for a month regardless of when you earned it.

Thoughts? This could drive a lot more players into PVP from ALL factions. There could be additional buffs that you get only while in Cyrodil based on how your faction is doing. However I've always thought it strange that the buffs favor the side already winning. It would be a little more balanced if there were an underdog advantage.

Ackwalan

There is no buff server mechanic. No alliance has a right to call a server theirs, and expect the other alliance not to mess it up.

Cody

Iv done every vet dungeon save CoA(cant find a group for it) and I did them all without a single PvP buff. You don't need PvP buffs for vet dungeons. heck ill help you and your boyfriend thru them if y'all are EP.

as for trials..... I really don't think buffs are needed for trials. I managed to get a good way thru one with a group where half of us were below VR6. with no PvP buffs. I can only imagine how well a good coordinated VR14 group could do. I highly doubt PvP and emp buffs are needed for trials.


as for those of us trolling the AD that get slaughtered at HAD on a daily basis... I myself don't blame themgetting camped at the gates for 3 months can really tick people off. dang right EP and DCare going to talk trash to and insult AD. Heck I just did it on the "a call to haderus" thread just 5 minutes ago. I think it gets out of hand when you start calling them stupid. the AD on had need to work together and not nightcap everything every time they get beat. nightcaping won't make you good at PvP, in fact it makes you terrible(as the case was today, where a one bar ep and dc beat back a pop locked ad) The Ad leaders don't need to yell and insult, they need to teach. Heck if I had an AD character I would happily try to teach the had AD the basics. I'm sure someone will eventually.

The thing is though... you don't need PvP buffs for the vet PvE content. You really don't. you need coordination, optimism, a bit of luck, and skill. the emp buffs will not save you when you do vet Fungal grotto, for example. If you want to do vet dungeons; you need teamwork. PvP buffs are not required. I know because iv done almost all of it.

Lava_Croft

If you want your precious buffs in PvE, you better work for it.

Better advice would be to just move your buff server to Chillrend.

Roechacca

Ackwalan wrote: »

There is no buff server mechanic. No alliance has a right to call a server theirs, and expect the other alliance not to mess it up.

This sums it up ^

If you trying to get pvp players to be nice and respectful I have a few other crazy endeavors you might want to solve first ...

World hungar

The cure to cancer

Elimination of reality television

Ackwalan

roechacca wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

There is no buff server mechanic. No alliance has a right to call a server theirs, and expect the other alliance not to mess it up.

This sums it up ^

If you trying to get pvp players to be nice and respectful I have a few other crazy endeavors you might want to solve first ...

World hungar

The cure to cancer

Elimination of reality television

Please move 'Elimination of reality television' to the number one priority, thanks.

PenguinInACan

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/141875/so-them-buff-servers/p1

This has been discussed and debated many times.

Psilent

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

So apparently a couple of AD players prodded EP and or DC to come to Haderus and now, for the last 3 weeks EP and DC have been working together to mess with AD's "Buff Server" There is now more action on Haderus than Thornblade.

The whole buff server mechanic has good and bad sides. The good side is that being able to get or protect buffs drives the mainly PVE players to join PVP. Having some significant reward to achieve makes PVP much more meaningful, especially for players who like to do both sides of the game.

The negative side is that the buff servers have often been turned into dead servers forcing the action onto Thornblade resulting in 1 laggy server and 3 inactive servers.

Now DC and EP are working together and taking the buffs on Haderus so often and so consistently that it's sapping the fun from the game for a lot of people.
Guilds that used to run Trails Trainings 2 times a week are finding that the training runs made up of half newer Trials players fail, particularly when the buffs are lost just before or during a training.
People who are less experienced at PVP are jumping in and trying to help only to be mocked and trolled by the PVP die-hards.
Players trying to defend their buffs are getting pretty sick of seeing some (not all) of the blues and reds flaunting when they're working together. Like the blue I saw pouring oil on yellow in a red keep tonight

I see PVP only players constantly preaching "You don't need buffs" But I never see those players help teaching runs through trials and vet dungeons. I hear people say "I just want to PVP, I don't care about your buffs" but that's clearly not true. If people were just trying to PVP they would spread it around more and hit some of the other buff servers. Tonight I saw blues and reds side by side defending the same keep multiple times, which is not normal fair play tactics of people just trying to have fun. People say "If you want buffs you should defend them" but it's not possible to defend buffs at the same time as doing PVE.

In the last few weeks I've had more fun in PVP than I had for months before and I thank the people on all factions for helping me have a good time. Unfortunately I also have been unable to assist with a single Trials Training, and have been unable to get a group and help my boyfriend complete some of the Vet dungeons he still needs. It's caused a great deal of stress for the people who traditionally try and help other members learn, and some hurt feelings. I don't care how good you are, V12 undaunted and trials are not easy to do when some of your group is still learning and most players will NEVER learn unless someone is able to teach them. Players may leave the game when they hit the wall and can't get the support to progress into the vet PVE content.

I don't care how much of a jerk 5% of the players in this game are, MOST players from each faction are here to have a good time. I hope that the bulk of the DC and EP players will consider that in the long run you will have more fun too in a game where players aren't leaving guilds and the game. Consider expanding your horizons, spread the love around and stir up other "buff servers" or maybe even take a night off to teach or learn some of the PVE content.

Thought I recognized the name. You're the one who was upset in trade guild chat and asked me to stop doing PvP on Haderus. Sorry, not going to happen.

Train your new members in Trials without the buffs. Then if you do have buffs, the content will be steamroll.

Also, when you suggested to me to go to other buff servers, I said I do. EP character fights on Haderus and when things are being gate camped goes to Chillrend. AD character fights on Chillrend and Azura's star.

Oughash

Lava_Croft wrote: »

If you want your precious buffs in PvE, you better work for it.

This is all that needs to be said.

kpittsniperb14_ESO

Apparently whining on the forums about your "buff" server is effective. Mysteriously Azura's Star is bugged after several EP cried about losing their buffs and now EP does not lose their buffs when the map is flipped and scrolls are taken and still retain their hp buffs even when they lose emperor. This has been verified and has been going on for over a week now.

Several bug reports and tickets have been submitted on this without response. We did however have a GM appear and warn us that we would be banned for player harassment if we continued to pick up and drop scrolls. Another guild mate received an email from a GM threatening to ban them for extorting other players by joking about paying us a ransom to leave their buff server alone.

PVP in this game is a joke and the fact that there are threads like this are proof positive. Buff servers aren't a thing that you are entitled to. You don't need them to clear pve content. My *** where is Brian Wheeler?

KaneK899ub17_ESO

We like Haderus because the AP zerg that comes in is really fun to fight. The first 2 hours is nothing but PvDoor and scroll running but next thing you know they're at 3 bars and you have 50+ AD players zerging around whenever the most minor resource is taken.

As for the EP/DC buff servers, some of us DC had to flip Chillrend back yesterday and some guildies had jumped on Azura for kicks a bit later, then that night we hit Haderus and played around with AD. It's not just Haderus, you just don't know when it's not your buff server being flipped.

That said, no such thing as a buff server and buffs are not necessary for PvE. Teach your trainees to build properly and use solid rotations and PvE becomes a bit trivial. Isn't that half of training? Teaching them how to be effective in the first place, with or without buffs?

And if the post above me is even half true, that's hilariously sad.

Gogog Bloodthroat

They just need to get rid of buff servers completely. Than no more people complaining about their buffs. Because 100 pve'ers coming to zerg a 8 man group for taking a resource isn't pvp.

LonePirate

I find it amusing that the OP believes there is more action on Haderus than on Thornblade. Someone may have celebrated a bit too much on New Year's Eve if they are making ridiculous statements like that one.

diskiukas

LonePirate wrote: »

I find it amusing that the OP believes there is more action on Haderus than on Thornblade. Someone may have celebrated a bit too much on New Year's Eve if they are making ridiculous statements like that one.

Why it is amusing? Whenever I go to Thorn , all I see is fighting back and forth at Chalman gate or Alessia bridge. Haderus has to offer more than that. Not necessarily any day, but days like yesterday it is far more fun than Thorn.

Eglath

So pvers are actually complaining about pvp in buff servers . Since you were serious and posted some reasons behind it I will answer in same cultural manner.
So buff servers are abomination to pvp, I will be safe to assume that 90% of pvpers want buffs gone from pve. Therefore there will be raids on Had, Azuras and Chill, by ppl who want to farm (it's bad but I'm guilty of it myself), or folks who want some fun and bring action to otherwise dead campaigns. And as many ppl above me said, both red and blue 'buff server' are also being flipped, not as much, and as often as Had, but still.
I can imagine EP pve guilds being mad when Azura was all yellow for 2 days with no scrolls or emp.

Every pvper will be activly fighting with that conception, since ZOS doesn't care about pvp, we will try to destroy buff servers by bringning action to them, although this action is mostly zerging each other, but I hope it wil turm into constant competition.

timidobserver

Vet DSA and Sactum Ophidia are the only content in the game where you should even notice the lack of buffs.

yodased

Honestly even at that point you can make gear and food that will replace those buffs.

They are not 'needed' to do the content, they just make it accessible to more than the top 1-2% of the game.

PvP buffs make the hardest content in the game available to more people, that's it.

They also make the entirety of PvE easier to those who have never stepped in PvP, which has always been strange to me.

Tripwyr

Ackwalan wrote: »

There is no buff server mechanic. No alliance has a right to call a server theirs, and expect the other alliance not to mess it up.

Without commenting on the rest of your post, this wouldn't be happening if there were no buff server mechanic, to say there isn't is patently false.

Armitas

My first AA was 100% pug in zone. All it took was 1 person knowing what to do, and the rest following the leader. Thats all it takes for PvP too. Shoot you can even PvE bomb Cyrodiil just like a trial. Not joking, a lot of the big PvP raids looks like this in TS.

Ok every one stack on the crown
Going out in 3
2
1
Negate 1
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Negate 2
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Negate 3
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Negate 4
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Negate 5
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Is negate 1 back up?
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Yep
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Negate 1
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Negate 2
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Darlgon

Umm.. Funny and sad boss.

As others have said, ZoS does not have a "buff" server mechanic. Your buffs are your food/drink and your gear.

Some of us EP actually have Haderus as a Home server now, since Thornblade is population locked all the time, so its MY EP PVE buff server too. I deserve those buffs as much as you AD do.

Frankly, up until two weeks ago, the entire map was yellow constantly. This is not how you "train" your newer players, sniping from the top of a tower at the three online players of the other factions who are taking on the NPCs on a resource.

As a final point.. YES, AD needs to train, not trials, but AVA, if you want your bufs. Because last night, while AD was pop locked and EP/AD had one bar, EP was able to dominate a lot of the play, except in the ONE area the bee lag-swarm was attacking. It was funny when AD lost one keep to DC and one to EP while FOUR of us stole a DC scroll from a yellow keep, attracting the entire bee swarm.

[edit] One last thing.. EP and DC are NOT working together, any more than DC and AD are working together vs EP. Amazingly,some guilds have people of all three factions, <Gasp> and actually work with their guild friends instead of their nameless, nonperson faction head. Or, that Blue poring oil on your yellow heads may have been trying to keep the bees out of the red keep until DC came in behind you. Because that oil he was pouring? Yeah, it hurt both Reds and Yellows.

Joy_Division

I think the main problem here is that top-line players are really convinced that little bit of extra crit and health are essential to have successful PvE raids. Someone in my guild asked for 1 more for a Vet DSA run. I offered and mentioned that I finished the content many times. They responded by asking me what my spell critical and health was. I said I did not have it memorized but was #13 on the leaderboards. He then told me to log onto my character and tell him what my spell crit was. I'm sorry but that's just a ridiculous mindset and having it cost him someone who knows all the fights and would have gotten him the good time (literally and I am assuming figuratively) that he sought.

True story. I play my healer on EP and was homed on Thornblade when that faction was in last place and I had zero buffs. One late-night I just logged in to check my hireling stuff and I get a whisper from a friend saying their Hel-Ra healer bailed and if I could replace them. I said yes. I NEVER healed Hel-Ra before, I had NO buffs, and I actually was wearing NO rings/necklace (I forget that I equipped them on an alt). Nobody died. Moral of the story: if you regularly run trials on X night and have a good time doing so, run your trial regardless if the "purple alliance" is taking away your buffs on Haderus.

I really don't think people should be leaving guilds or the game because "their" buff server is being invaded by opposing factions. The very notion of propriety that has infected the ESO community is absurd and unhealthy. I get it, I am about as competitive a person as there is, but losing a few percentage points in various stats is really not worth getting stressed out over because it is still possible to finish end-game content without dying.

The one part of your post I do agree is the condescending attitude some zealous PvPers who troll the less experienced. This is crap and has no part in the game. Good natured ribbing is fine (the same when dedicated PvEers mock PvPers for having the "wrong" morphs), but I don't like to see it go beyond this.

Roechacca

You need a thick skin in pvp zones . Not everyone is subtle with the elbow ribbing like this one . If this gets your feathers ruffled here , never and I repeat NEVER play a console pvp game ever .

Bouvin

Instead of relying on a "buff" server, I just home Thornblade and have fun PvPing.

KaneK899ub17_ESO

Tripwyr wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

There is no buff server mechanic. No alliance has a right to call a server theirs, and expect the other alliance not to mess it up.

Without commenting on the rest of your post, this wouldn't be happening if there were no buff server mechanic, to say there isn't is patently false.

Law of unintended consequences. Just because people want it that way doesn't mean it was an intended mechanic. I haven't seen a ZOS post stating otherwise, but I doubt they were interested in having a bunch of dead campaigns monopolized by PvErs strictly for buffs.

Cody

Psilent wrote: »

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

So apparently a couple of AD players prodded EP and or DC to come to Haderus and now, for the last 3 weeks EP and DC have been working together to mess with AD's "Buff Server" There is now more action on Haderus than Thornblade.

The whole buff server mechanic has good and bad sides. The good side is that being able to get or protect buffs drives the mainly PVE players to join PVP. Having some significant reward to achieve makes PVP much more meaningful, especially for players who like to do both sides of the game.

The negative side is that the buff servers have often been turned into dead servers forcing the action onto Thornblade resulting in 1 laggy server and 3 inactive servers.

Now DC and EP are working together and taking the buffs on Haderus so often and so consistently that it's sapping the fun from the game for a lot of people.
Guilds that used to run Trails Trainings 2 times a week are finding that the training runs made up of half newer Trials players fail, particularly when the buffs are lost just before or during a training.
People who are less experienced at PVP are jumping in and trying to help only to be mocked and trolled by the PVP die-hards.
Players trying to defend their buffs are getting pretty sick of seeing some (not all) of the blues and reds flaunting when they're working together. Like the blue I saw pouring oil on yellow in a red keep tonight

I see PVP only players constantly preaching "You don't need buffs" But I never see those players help teaching runs through trials and vet dungeons. I hear people say "I just want to PVP, I don't care about your buffs" but that's clearly not true. If people were just trying to PVP they would spread it around more and hit some of the other buff servers. Tonight I saw blues and reds side by side defending the same keep multiple times, which is not normal fair play tactics of people just trying to have fun. People say "If you want buffs you should defend them" but it's not possible to defend buffs at the same time as doing PVE.

In the last few weeks I've had more fun in PVP than I had for months before and I thank the people on all factions for helping me have a good time. Unfortunately I also have been unable to assist with a single Trials Training, and have been unable to get a group and help my boyfriend complete some of the Vet dungeons he still needs. It's caused a great deal of stress for the people who traditionally try and help other members learn, and some hurt feelings. I don't care how good you are, V12 undaunted and trials are not easy to do when some of your group is still learning and most players will NEVER learn unless someone is able to teach them. Players may leave the game when they hit the wall and can't get the support to progress into the vet PVE content.

I don't care how much of a jerk 5% of the players in this game are, MOST players from each faction are here to have a good time. I hope that the bulk of the DC and EP players will consider that in the long run you will have more fun too in a game where players aren't leaving guilds and the game. Consider expanding your horizons, spread the love around and stir up other "buff servers" or maybe even take a night off to teach or learn some of the PVE content.

Thought I recognized the name. You're the one who was upset in trade guild chat and asked me to stop doing PvP on Haderus. Sorry, not going to happen.

Train your new members in Trials without the buffs. Then if you do have buffs, the content will be steamroll.

Also, when you suggested to me to go to other buff servers, I said I do. EP character fights on Haderus and when things are being gate camped goes to Chillrend. AD character fights on Chillrend and Azura's star.

THIS is the guy that asked us via trade to stop PvP on haderus??

C'mon OP, for f***s sake man, you don't need PvP buffs to do trials and vet content. You need teamwork, coordination, and skill. Maybe instead of nightcaping everything and invoking the rage of EP and DC(which y'all obviously can't handle as of now) you should start training people for trials WITHOUT buffs? I assure you, it can be done. I highly doubt ZOS spent 2 months making these trials to where you had to have PvP buffs to do them.

OR y'all can train your AD soldiers to do well in AvA, so y'all have the teamwork needed to get your buffs honestly. Waiting until your opponents go to sleep to cap everything will not(like I already may have stated with my first post) make y'all good at PvP. If y'all don't want a one bar EP and a one bar DC beating the pop-locked AD ever again, you people will stop crying on the forums and do what the EP and DC on had have done for 3 months: stick it out, learn, and get better. I promise you, it can be done.

Aoe_Barbecue

ITT

OP is mad that pvp happened in the game's pvp area. How dare those filthy blues and reds pvp ... that's just rude.

pvpaddict42

diskiukas wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

I find it amusing that the OP believes there is more action on Haderus than on Thornblade. Someone may have celebrated a bit too much on New Year's Eve if they are making ridiculous statements like that one.

Why it is amusing? Whenever I go to Thorn , all I see is fighting back and forth at Chalman gate or Alessia bridge. Haderus has to offer more than that. Not necessarily any day, but days like yesterday it is far more fun than Thorn.

This is because that's how players on Thornblade were trained. Stay with the zerg and fight. People that actually want to get away from the lag and experience more tactical fighting and game play go elsewhere, like Haderus. I am one of the DC that has been trying to create an alternate active viable pvp campaign from Thornblade. It's finally coming to fruition and it's a good thing. Haderus is a good location because its on a 7 day timer so the rewards and chances of potentially challenging for emperorship (for those that have real lives outside of the game) are more frequent .

With that said, I would be happy for Chillrend to turn into something similar to Haderus. I don't home campaign on Chillrend, I home on Haderus. I don't use the "buff campaign" for the PVE advantages, it's a crutch and actually promotes worse game play rather than learning how to play your role/work as a team.

Xexpo

@ElfFromSpace you'll get no sympathy in these forums about this topic
the 2% of the pvpers who read or comment on these forums are mostly against the whole idea, right or wrong

they don't pve , they don't care about buffs, and they see this post as 'crying" about it, and they love that (nom nom tears nom nom)

they want to get that "tactical" warfare in against all your carebears
makes them feel tough/relevant

pvpaddict42

kaer426 wrote: »

@ElfFromSpace you'll get no sympathy in these forums about this topic
the 2% of the pvpers who read or comment on these forums are mostly against the whole idea, right or wrong

they don't pve , they don't care about buffs, and they see this post as 'crying" about it, and they love that (nom nom tears nom nom)

they want to get that "tactical" warfare in against all your carebears
makes them feel tough/relevant

Actually some of us do pve, and we do it without relying on pvp buffs. I'm happy for there to be fighting, and a lot of it, on all of the so called buff servers. I would love to see all campaigns be viable choices for active game play and struggle. With that said, coming on here and asking people to move campaigns because you aren't getting your pve buff fix...yeah, that's not going to go over well.

If you want to promote fighting on the other campaigns, I am all for it but you need to keep your audience in mind. If you want to use pve reasons, your better bet is to take it to an area where the focus is pve.

Roechacca

kaer426 wrote: »

@ElfFromSpace you'll get no sympathy in these forums about this topic
the 2% of the pvpers who read or comment on these forums are mostly against the whole idea, right or wrong

they don't pve , they don't care about buffs, and they see this post as 'crying" about it, and they love that (nom nom tears nom nom)

they want to get that "tactical" warfare in against all your carebears
makes them feel tough/relevant

Where is this 2% coming from ? That number sounds made up . Did you make that up ? I pve sometimes .

driosketch

Tripwyr wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

There is no buff server mechanic. No alliance has a right to call a server theirs, and expect the other alliance not to mess it up.

Without commenting on the rest of your post, this wouldn't be happening if there were no buff server mechanic, to say there isn't is patently false.

There is a "buff" mechanic, something that has already been removed cross campaign from PvP. "Buff servers" are a player invention. And frankly they are something I'd like to see go away.