Exploits that need addressed ZOS

The_Death_Princess · January 2015

Since completing my PVE content I have been spending the last two month or so with my mates on PVP. ZOS, there are a couple of exploits that I die too regularly, and really that is the only time I die unless I am zerged. This is not a brag, but years of honing my skills allow me to survive as a Templar or an NB against the masses.

The exploits that kill me 100 percent of the time involve:

Speed hack on lethal arrow. Any time you see multiple lethal arrows on death recap by same person with no other hits and you die in just a couple seconds its a speed hack, report it. Pretty common, and it confuses the issue of the lethal arrow being OP (its a tad OP, but I never get killed by a non hack form of it).

Unbreakable talons. Same DK's over and over do this. Not sure how it works, since I am not a cheater or a DK. Guildies suggest it is a sequence of things, but all I know is I am in talons and my controls lock out completely. I kill other DK's all the time (non cheaters) and stand toe to toe with the better ones for 5 minutes some times.

Better Targeting. Too often spells go through terrain, and melee misses when I am right on top with reticule and/or tab target on. Pretty much every game I ever played is bad about spells, but you stamina based work really needs work, even in PVE. I put this here because teleports need a nerf, because to many sorc use terrain features as an advantage due to this.

Feel free to post more exploits that are to common, these are the ones that bug me.

JackDaniell · January 2015

Using a 3rd party program to do things not capable with the core game mechanics seems like it would be fairly easy to catch, I mean, bots get banned because they use said programs so I'm sure some one who decides to speed hack would be banned pretty dam fast (assuming said program even exists).

To be fair it takes 1 seccond to fire a leathal, why would people even bother with a hack if its that stronk already?

As for unbreakable talons, or any sort of cc that locks you out of using your bar, are you sure your not being feared while in talons (this would result in the circumstances you have explained and can be solved by cc breaking or running immovable)? If that is not the case, latencey for your client has shown to create unbreakable cc situations. I have experianced this only while running a higher ping, similar to a charge bug (your toon is stuck in charge animation but cannot use any skills).

As for tellepoting specs using terrian, that's just good gameplay on their part. An excellent counter to bolt escape is critical rush on a stam build, you can keep up with them if your fast enough and they won't make more than 3-4 bolts before you kill them (each rush will hit for over 800 normally).

I hope this helps a bit, the things you are complaining about are not exploits, and have been present for quite some time. Unfortunately some are just do to some bad mechanics and I hope they are fixed soon.

Domander · January 2015

speed hack? lol are you serious?

are you sure it's not multiple stealth snipes and your perception of time thinking it's instant?

I've not seen any talons issues since many updates ago when charge + talons was unbreakable.

Asgari · January 2015

Talons can be used over and over because it is a soft cc. You can still attack and block from within the cc. Not sure the issue here.

The speed hack thing is a joke. It's a 1 second cast time.

CaptainObvious · January 2015

I believe he is referring to the invasion talons combo as invasion has a smaller roll window than it should.

Asgari · January 2015

The invasion talon combo was addressed. You can get out of it fine and are granted cc immunity from being invasioned down again..

Domander · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Talons can be used over and over because it is a soft cc. You can still attack and block from within the cc. Not sure the issue here.

The speed hack thing is a joke. It's a 1 second cast time.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's intended that talons can be used that way, it's an immobilize. All immobilize attacks can be spammed like that. Dodge breaks it, break free will make you immune for a few seconds.

Asgari · January 2015

Domander wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Talons can be used over and over because it is a soft cc. You can still attack and block from within the cc. Not sure the issue here.

The speed hack thing is a joke. It's a 1 second cast time.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's intended that talons can be used that way, it's an immobilize. All immobilize attacks can be spammed like that. Dodge breaks it, break free will make you immune for a few seconds.

Encase/Talons can be dodged/purged/rolled out of etc. they are working as intended. People need to stop correlating them to a perma CC when you can still attack and defend from within the CC.

Roechacca · January 2015

My snipe takes forever to recast . Like 3 sec intervals ... Not sure how anyone does it faster . Interesting .

Columba · January 2015

there IS some combination of cc skills that prevent the victim from breaking cc.

Ifthir_ESO · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

they are working as intended

working for the dev team now eh

Cody · January 2015

Domander wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Talons can be used over and over because it is a soft cc. You can still attack and block from within the cc. Not sure the issue here.

The speed hack thing is a joke. It's a 1 second cast time.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's intended that talons can be used that way, it's an immobilize. All immobilize attacks can be spammed like that. Dodge breaks it, break free will make you immune for a few seconds.

I still have yet to receive any kind of immunity window from talons, but I wont complain about it anymore.

kijima · January 2015

Lethal arrow 3 or more hits in one second is not a speed hack, it happens from time to time to many people. It's usually lag associated. As a bow user, you've hit snipe and it hasn't responded, so you hit again, then again. Nothing happens, then all of the sudden you get 3 super fast snipes in 1 second and boom got the weasel!

That "speed hack" per say, happens to be ZOS and their inability to supply a stable game that doesn't do weird stuff like this.

Same thing happens with a lot of skills from time to time. I've been hit with 3 or 4 ambushes in less than one second from the same person before, which isn't possible with normal play. It is possible with ESO though as there are always anomalies.

Just because it's not normal, doesn't mean it's a speed hack. Last night I had NPC's attacking me near light speed while trying to grab a scroll, I didn't think ZOS were using hacks with their NPC's to kill me.

More along the lines of rationality is that their game needs maintenance and some more work.

Theoldguy · January 2015

Columba wrote: »

there IS some combination of cc skills that prevent the victim from breaking cc.

First time I ever agreed with Columba but there is an unbreakable cc dont think its talons though.

Domander · January 2015

Cody wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Talons can be used over and over because it is a soft cc. You can still attack and block from within the cc. Not sure the issue here.

The speed hack thing is a joke. It's a 1 second cast time.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's intended that talons can be used that way, it's an immobilize. All immobilize attacks can be spammed like that. Dodge breaks it, break free will make you immune for a few seconds.

I still have yet to receive any kind of immunity window from talons, but I wont complain about it anymore.

You have to be hard cc'd to use break free.. so if you're stunned and then break free you should be immune for a few seconds.

Turelus · January 2015

Dear community,

Please stop using the word exploit to describe every action that you either don't understand or feel is overpowered right now.

Regards,
Turelus

Nothing you had said sounds like exploits, from a guy who saw Emperor's throwing 2k damage tick caltrops, these are not exploits.

Cody · January 2015

Turelus wrote: »

Dear community,

Please stop using the word exploit to describe every action that you either don't understand or feel is overpowered right now.

Regards,
Turelus

Nothing you had said sounds like exploits, from a guy who saw Emperor's throwing 2k damage tick caltrops, these are not exploits.

exploits are OP

nerf exploits.

Domander · January 2015

Theoldguy wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

there IS some combination of cc skills that prevent the victim from breaking cc.

First time I ever agreed with Columba but there is an unbreakable cc dont think its talons though.

well, there is vampire feed..... hopefully they fix it so that you can break out of it.

Cody · January 2015

Domander wrote: »

Theoldguy wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

there IS some combination of cc skills that prevent the victim from breaking cc.

First time I ever agreed with Columba but there is an unbreakable cc dont think its talons though.

well, there is vampire feed..... hopefully they fix it so that you can break out of it.

that vampire feed crap is bull

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

The talons sheild charge bug has been reintroduced I think. I have been invasioned followed by talon while still on the ground and unable to m to use CC break to get up off the ground hence I lay there helpless. This is with a full stamina bar.

I think its a bug and lag combination of the two, it has happened to me more since 1.6, never had this issue with the previous patch. Now its a reg occurrence.

I don't get all worked up over it, its just a game, but its a bug they should probably look into.

The Daedric Protection sorc passive is broken again, worked just fine last patch. I believe its a patch regression.

Telel · January 2015

Re: The snipe speed hack.

OP are you perhaps a bow user, and are you familiar with the way Reflective scale works on Dragon Knights? Because the most common explanation for folks claiming to be killed by super fast lethal, or focused, arrow hits is their own tendency to spam snipe after snipe into a DK that's just bouncing their hits back onto them. Thanks to the travel time it's very easy to get three or even four arrows off before the first one has bounced back and begun to take down the would be Legolas.

Telel has killed themselves more times than they can count by this very method even though they are fully aware of the matter. Between lag, adrenaline, and wonky targeting it is very easy to seemingly nuke yourself in a way that makes it look incredibly quick.

RE: The perma stun.

This one has run into it off and on lately, usually when they're getting chased attacked by multiple opponents at once in a big brawl. They're assuming it's an issue of lag, and the system not reporting damage quickly enough making it look as if they're still on their feet, even though the game knows they're already dead.

Just in case though they've begun wearing a way of the arena set which has actually increased their survival chances in such situtations, though only slightly.

Poxheart · January 2015

I died a few times yesterday while stuck in unbreakable CC (Invasion & Talons usually). If you're mounted & get hit with the Sorc root then you can't do anything til it wears off.

stevej556 · January 2015

lethal arrow is not a speed hack, there is a lag issue at times, also if you spam it there is animation canceling which makes it go off a little bit quicker than the 1 sec cast time, also take into consideration time of flight for the arrow to reach you and the distance you are from the shooter as well as if the shooter is advancing to you or away from you ext......

RedTalon · January 2015

Doesn't sound like exploits or bugs to me, more surprised features Since they have been awhile awhile

Iggybot · January 2015

Sounds like you have a latency problem. Reset your router.

Galalin · January 2015

Apparently i was accused of exploiting last night while fighting 20ish AD solo at a resource on haderus for their skills locking out. I was invasion talon amd using turn undead all cc breakable maybe next time try using cc break and if you can't chances are your out of stam.

I wouldn't have killed half of you if you would have stopped the pew pew snipe spam in my wings... it was comical at the time but i understand most of you were new to PvP... my tip #1dont spam snipe at a DK with flappy flaps up.

This lack of knowledge really sucks for vet PvPers as we are not exploiting anythiother than lack of other knowledge.

Please stop this exploit crying crap just because you died and maybe ask around what happened and why.

I fought grunt yesterday and he can (If he would verify the skills i use and how)

Btw Grunt awsome fight and love seeing you guys on Haderus

DK Scrub out

Rylana · January 2015

Ive fought Galalin, both as an opponent, and with as an ally.

I know he doesnt cheat.

All I can do is agree - stop being BAD and blaming game mechanics for your failures. I flat out told you this in AD Zone chat, OP. Youre WRONG.

Grim13 · January 2015

Certain Templar abilities are still causing stunlock.

Columba · January 2015

Grim13 wrote: »

Certain Templar abilities are still causing stunlock.

yeah, not sure which those skill are, but i get perma stuck sometimes.

HeroOfNone · January 2015

You may be experiencing multiple hits with snipe in rapid succession because of the way it takes time to get to a target. Normally after the first snipe flies to the time that it comes down atop of your head there are another 2-3 arrows coming if your 45 meters away. You break free of a stun (assuming they were stealthed) and start to run away after the first shot, but those next few arrows, including the one they got on you while stunned, are still homing missiles that will find and kill you. Roll dodging or relecting are your only options, or preparing a tell begging for a rez. If you want to see it in practice you can come into stream sometime when I'm in pvp.

As for the stun locking it still happens, mainly in large group battles. However I notice it tends to go with one group but not others. The DK invasion/talon lock down can still occur as well, but very rarely. Most lock downs occur with something like invasion + crystal fragments, ambush, encase, and a few more. I doubt even realize they do it since most don't seem to be able to repeat it all the time. To be fair as well, a lot of those abilities are good openers to ganker on.

There is one way perma-lock outside of these combos, but I've already put a helpdesk ticket on it. Really don't want it becoming wide spread.

Armitas · January 2015

Columba wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Certain Templar abilities are still causing stunlock.

yeah, not sure which those skill are, but i get perma stuck sometimes.

Biting jabs and blazing spear.