Exploits that need addressed ZOS

Armitas

Got a question about the macroing to rehash. It was my understanding that macroing will not increase your ability speed. However I recently spoke to an anonymous person and he said he could macro a skill and empty his magicka in 1.5seconds. As it was described to me in one visible instance of a skill animation something like 5 instances of it occurred. As described to me by the player this is only done via macroing and nothing more, and since we know certain skills have a hard CD, is it possible that some skills failed to have a CD applied to them. I don't understand how it's possible through macroing alone as spamming a skill cancel will not allow this to occur, but I have no reason to doubt the players ability to verify his own experience that he was able to perform what he said.

yodased

Something I've noticed lately in my short time in Haderus:

There are certain groups that continually do shady things. I will go hours and hours and hours without any stun locks, and issues, no lag nothing.

Then these people come by me and all of those things happen.

Coincidence?

Orchish

You can shoot off multiple lethal arrows before the first arrow even hits the target. By the time the enemy is aware he is being sniped if he has no shields up or impen etc he is dead. Call it what you like, but it is not a speed hack. Stop reporting players for simply playing the game.

HeroOfNone

Armitas wrote: »

Got a question about the macroing to rehash. It was my understanding that macroing will not increase your ability speed. However I recently spoke to an anonymous person and he said he could macro a skill and empty his magicka in 1.5seconds. As it was described to me in one visible instance of a skill animation something like 5 instances of it occurred. As described to me by the player this is only done via macroing and nothing more, and since we know certain skills have a hard CD, is it possible that some skills failed to have a CD applied to them. I don't understand how it's possible through macroing alone as spamming a skill will not allow this to occur, but I have no reason to doubt the players ability to verify his own experience that what was said is occurring.

Animation canceling can lead to higher dps and damage weaving, however it is difficult to form reliable macros because of the action requests being handled on the server side, rather client side. With other factors like lag, player/npcs, and visual/audio queues; traditional macros aren't as reliable as a skilled animation canceler. That said, there are other methods I could see that could be quicker, but you'd risk a pretty swift ban I'd imagine if ZOS caught something so obvious

As for cooldowns, there are none inside ESO, which is one of the features it, but there are cast times for attacks and abilities that animation canceling will work with. Long charge abilities, like snipe and uppercut, can be animation canceled, but you risk the ability not going off at all and bashing if you do. If they are losing all their resources that quick the are probably using a quick cast ability, like poison injection + light attack or crushing shock/impulse + light attacks

Kartalin

heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »

Animation canceling can lead to higher dps and damage weaving, however it is difficult to form reliable macros because of the action requests being handled on the server side, rather client side.

I find that if I'm sniping, then lethal arrow tends to be the only attack I can use at near 45 meters from target. At that point I can't really weave so I just channel the lethal arrow attacks until the target either dies, gets smart enough to move out of range or line of sight, or I get low stamina.

By the way, @roechacca‌, lethal arrow attacks can be channeled, meaning you fire the arrows one after the other at 1.1 sec intervals. Just keep clicking

HeroOfNone

milthalas wrote: »

heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »

Animation canceling can lead to higher dps and damage weaving, however it is difficult to form reliable macros because of the action requests being handled on the server side, rather client side.

I find that if I'm sniping, then lethal arrow tends to be the only attack I can use at near 45 meters from target. At that point I can't really weave so I just channel the lethal arrow attacks until the target either dies, gets smart enough to move out of range or line of sight, or I get low stamina.

By the way, @roechacca‌, lethal arrow attacks can be channeled, meaning you fire the arrows one after the other at 1.1 sec intervals. Just keep clicking

Animation canceling abilities, rather than light and heavy attacks, are done by blocking at the last moments before the ability finishes. This works better on some than others. If you mess it up though you end up can Celine the ability entirely, or wasting stamina on a bash instead of a follow light attack.


If I remember the right youtube link (on a mobile with limited dat) this should demonstrate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb0O9zjMDN4

Personally I can only get this working part of the time, so I really only attempt it in trials, or when I'm trying to throw a block spammer off on when a wreaking blow will land

s7732425ub17_ESO

I wish this were Reddit so that we could downvote this into oblivion instead of just pumping out the LOLs.

Cody

yodased wrote: »

Something I've noticed lately in my short time in Haderus:

There are certain groups that continually do shady things. I will go hours and hours and hours without any stun locks, and issues, no lag nothing.

Then these people come by me and all of those things happen.

Coincidence?

no, it's not a coincidence. Players take advantage of faulty and ridiculous game mechanics and they know it. I've seen it not only since Hopesfire, but in MANY other games as well.

The_Death_Princess

Been away, sorry, Some of you are seeing what I am saying, and understand. The others, well not sure if you are but, every since the dawn of games exploiters always try to explain away, hide the fact how its done.

Fact is the things I brought up exist, and in the way I described. IT IS NOT my lack of knowledge, lag, lack of internet, lack of pc - READ MY SIG!

I have even posted in other parts of the forum when someone has put up SS and its a perfect example of GOOD game play explaining how it was. It is a fact that some of these things are a touch close to OP as in game, but that is what draws the attention of an exploiter. They want the guaranteed I win.

SO back on topic. If you have a true exploit to explain and share, please do. Stop trying to help me, explain away etc. I know what I am doing, and have always double checked my game play with my guildies to see if I am missing something. I want the devs to be aware of exploits, and work on them, and hopefully even ban these same players names I see day in and day out doing it.

Lionxoft

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

The invasion talon combo was addressed. You can get out of it fine and are granted cc immunity from being invasioned down again..

No, it wasn't.

Andferne

Rylana wrote: »

Ive fought Galalin, both as an opponent, and with as an ally.

I know he doesnt cheat.

This.
He is one tough DK to try and take down.

Galalin

Rylana wrote: »

Ive fought Galalin, both as an opponent, and with as an ally.

I know he doesnt cheat.

All I can do is agree - stop being BAD and blaming game mechanics for your failures. I flat out told you this in AD Zone chat, OP. Youre WRONG.

Andferne wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ive fought Galalin, both as an opponent, and with as an ally.

I know he doesnt cheat.

This.
He is one tough DK to try and take down.

Just wanted to say thanks to both of you for your statements. It really sucks when you work so hard to try and accomplish a reputation as a decent and honest PvP'er and then have ppl up and call you a cheater because they don't understand basic game mechanics.

I have decided to just take it as a compliment and try not let it bother me.

DK Scrub out

kevlarto_ESO

With no server reset, I have noticed more and more buttons just stop working, even in pve, but there still is some hacks going on, I see them every once in awhile, and I know what classes can and can not do.

Galalin

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Since completing my PVE content I have been spending the last two month or so with my mates on PVP. ZOS, there are a couple of exploits that I die too regularly, and really that is the only time I die unless I am zerged. This is not a brag, but years of honing my skills allow me to survive as a Templar or an NB against the masses.

The exploits that kill me 100 percent of the time involve:

Speed hack on lethal arrow. Any time you see multiple lethal arrows on death recap by same person with no other hits and you die in just a couple seconds its a speed hack, report it. Pretty common, and it confuses the issue of the lethal arrow being OP (its a tad OP, but I never get killed by a non hack form of it).

Unbreakable talons. Same DK's over and over do this. Not sure how it works, since I am not a cheater or a DK. Guildies suggest it is a sequence of things, but all I know is I am in talons and my controls lock out completely. I kill other DK's all the time (non cheaters) and stand toe to toe with the better ones for 5 minutes some times.

Better Targeting. Too often spells go through terrain, and melee misses when I am right on top with reticule and/or tab target on. Pretty much every game I ever played is bad about spells, but you stamina based work really needs work, even in PVE. I put this here because teleports need a nerf, because to many sorc use terrain features as an advantage due to this.

Feel free to post more exploits that are to common, these are the ones that bug me.

If you kill all other DK's (as you stated the none cheaters) all of the time... you are basically saying that any DK who can beat you is a cheater....

I will take you up on this challenge win or lose i always love a good honest fight.... bring your friends, guildies or anyone else that you want.... this way they will all see if your staements have merit or not.

DK Scrub out

Added: im not sure what your in game name is but mine is Galalin my @name is @o0DGROo if you want to set this up

Beerbill

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Talons can be used over and over because it is a soft cc. You can still attack and block from within the cc. Not sure the issue here.

The speed hack thing is a joke. It's a 1 second cast time.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's intended that talons can be used that way, it's an immobilize. All immobilize attacks can be spammed like that. Dodge breaks it, break free will make you immune for a few seconds.

Encase/Talons can be dodged/purged/rolled out of etc. they are working as intended. People need to stop correlating them to a perma CC when you can still attack and defend from within the CC.

While i cannot say for sure the reason I have experienced many times the talon lock and even after breaking it, the talon was reapplied. Of course it could be a lag reason as stated above since this occurred in Cyrodil.

Anyway this is a really frustrating experience.

diskiukas

Galalin wrote: »

Apparently i was accused of exploiting last night while fighting 20ish AD solo at a resource on haderus for their skills locking out. I was invasion talon amd using turn undead all cc breakable maybe next time try using cc break and if you can't chances are your out of stam.

I wouldn't have killed half of you if you would have stopped the pew pew snipe spam in my wings... it was comical at the time but i understand most of you were new to PvP... my tip #1dont spam snipe at a DK with flappy flaps up.

This lack of knowledge really sucks for vet PvPers as we are not exploiting anythiother than lack of other knowledge.

Please stop this exploit crying crap just because you died and maybe ask around what happened and why.

I fought grunt yesterday and he can (If he would verify the skills i use and how)

Btw Grunt awsome fight and love seeing you guys on Haderus

DK Scrub out

I remember that, I was saying in chat that I fought you many times, did not see anything illegal, but as usual I was ridiculed by many. Usually my ideas or suggestions does not go well with AD lol.

Galalin

@diskuikas Yes i always remeber when i fight you... one slippery character you were my main target as i know the rest were PvP green... i kept losing you in the numbers though lol.... i was trying to keep you targeted and get a tab on you but the whole time i was being sniped and crystal frag with my refect up... some died without me even touching them and other took a single invasion because they sniped themselves half to death. I figured if i got you i could have a chance to finish the greenies off

DK Scrub out

Forestd16b14_ESO

I wish they do something about the tower camping. You know when you take a resource and there is like 7 or 10 players in the tower camping and murdering any one who comes through the door. Also my opinion and this is coming from a DK they need to nerf burning talons. Also need to nerf lethal arrow cause that has honestly became the " I win " button.

Rylana

diskiukas wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Apparently i was accused of exploiting last night while fighting 20ish AD solo at a resource on haderus for their skills locking out. I was invasion talon amd using turn undead all cc breakable maybe next time try using cc break and if you can't chances are your out of stam.

I wouldn't have killed half of you if you would have stopped the pew pew snipe spam in my wings... it was comical at the time but i understand most of you were new to PvP... my tip #1dont spam snipe at a DK with flappy flaps up.

This lack of knowledge really sucks for vet PvPers as we are not exploiting anythiother than lack of other knowledge.

Please stop this exploit crying crap just because you died and maybe ask around what happened and why.

I fought grunt yesterday and he can (If he would verify the skills i use and how)

Btw Grunt awsome fight and love seeing you guys on Haderus

DK Scrub out

I remember that, I was saying in chat that I fought you many times, did not see anything illegal, but as usual I was ridiculed by many. Usually my ideas or suggestions does not go well with AD lol.

"I died to X, X must be hax/sploits/cheats/OP/etc. It cant possibly be the fact I suck at the game or made a mistake, or just had paper when I needed rock (X being Scissors), no way, I am pro elite and awesome."

/thread

Lava_Croft

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

I wish they do something about the tower camping. You know when you take a resource and there is like 7 or 10 players in the tower camping and murdering any one who comes through the door. Also my opinion and this is coming from a DK they need to nerf burning talons. Also need to nerf lethal arrow cause that has honestly became the " I win " button.

The only 'they' that can do something about tower farming are the players themselves. Don't let yourself be farmed.

Gorthax

Rylana wrote: »

diskiukas wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Apparently i was accused of exploiting last night while fighting 20ish AD solo at a resource on haderus for their skills locking out. I was invasion talon amd using turn undead all cc breakable maybe next time try using cc break and if you can't chances are your out of stam.

I wouldn't have killed half of you if you would have stopped the pew pew snipe spam in my wings... it was comical at the time but i understand most of you were new to PvP... my tip #1dont spam snipe at a DK with flappy flaps up.

This lack of knowledge really sucks for vet PvPers as we are not exploiting anythiother than lack of other knowledge.

Please stop this exploit crying crap just because you died and maybe ask around what happened and why.

I fought grunt yesterday and he can (If he would verify the skills i use and how)

Btw Grunt awsome fight and love seeing you guys on Haderus

DK Scrub out

I remember that, I was saying in chat that I fought you many times, did not see anything illegal, but as usual I was ridiculed by many. Usually my ideas or suggestions does not go well with AD lol.

"I died to X, X must be hax/sploits/cheats/OP/etc. It cant possibly be the fact I suck at the game or made a mistake, or just had paper when I needed rock (X being Scissors), no way, I am pro elite and awesome."

/thread

if only everyone would switch to sword and shield then they would not die so quickly huh? I love when people using sword and shield with permablock casting think they are good :P reduced damage, amazing offense, yeup. takes skill ^_~

Galalin

Gorthax wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

diskiukas wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Apparently i was accused of exploiting last night while fighting 20ish AD solo at a resource on haderus for their skills locking out. I was invasion talon amd using turn undead all cc breakable maybe next time try using cc break and if you can't chances are your out of stam.

I wouldn't have killed half of you if you would have stopped the pew pew snipe spam in my wings... it was comical at the time but i understand most of you were new to PvP... my tip #1dont spam snipe at a DK with flappy flaps up.

This lack of knowledge really sucks for vet PvPers as we are not exploiting anythiother than lack of other knowledge.

Please stop this exploit crying crap just because you died and maybe ask around what happened and why.

I fought grunt yesterday and he can (If he would verify the skills i use and how)

Btw Grunt awsome fight and love seeing you guys on Haderus

DK Scrub out

I remember that, I was saying in chat that I fought you many times, did not see anything illegal, but as usual I was ridiculed by many. Usually my ideas or suggestions does not go well with AD lol.

"I died to X, X must be hax/sploits/cheats/OP/etc. It cant possibly be the fact I suck at the game or made a mistake, or just had paper when I needed rock (X being Scissors), no way, I am pro elite and awesome."

/thread

if only everyone would switch to sword and shield then they would not die so quickly huh? I love when people using sword and shield with permablock casting think they are good :P reduced damage, amazing offense, yeup. takes skill ^_~

Think your posting in the wrong thread there bud.

Maybe everyone should just wave flaming sticks.. yeah that would be much better

DK Scrub out

The_Death_Princess

Galalin wrote: »

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

I will take you up on this challenge win or lose i always love a good honest fight.... bring your friends, guildies or anyone else that you want.... this way they will all see if your staements have merit or not.

DK Scrub out

Not going to do this. Its not necessary, have already done it, and have proven the case. Remember, I have the experience, just like the devs and game masters here to detect exploit users. Look through the thread, the only defenders are the dk's that use this, and honestly, the mere fact of 'I took on 20 AD solo' shows the case against you completely. NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BY DESIGN SOLO 20 others!

That said, in your defense:
an exploit is defined in the TOS as any (thing, paraphrase) that gives one player an advantage. This does NOT use the word KNOWINGLY. As shown throughout this thread, and by your OWN words you use these. What we can never tell is whether you do it with intent, or not. THIS DOES NOT change the fact that you exploit (some say 'utilize' bad game mechanics). Again, this is about ZOS realizing they must work harder on exploits (people do not confuse exploits with hack - two dif things)

Now that you know you ARE exploiting, the challenge is on you to STOP using them and still be 'your awesome self'. Dont forget, from your view you may believe they are out of stamina, trust me we are NOT!

Bouvin

kijima wrote: »

Lethal arrow 3 or more hits in one second is not a speed hack, it happens from time to time to many people. It's usually lag associated. As a bow user, you've hit snipe and it hasn't responded, so you hit again, then again. Nothing happens, then all of the sudden you get 3 super fast snipes in 1 second and boom got the weasel!

That "speed hack" per say, happens to be ZOS and their inability to supply a stable game that doesn't do weird stuff like this.

Same thing happens with a lot of skills from time to time. I've been hit with 3 or 4 ambushes in less than one second from the same person before, which isn't possible with normal play. It is possible with ESO though as there are always anomalies.

Just because it's not normal, doesn't mean it's a speed hack. Last night I had NPC's attacking me near light speed while trying to grab a scroll, I didn't think ZOS were using hacks with their NPC's to kill me.

More along the lines of rationality is that their game needs maintenance and some more work.

This happens to me with ambush all the time.

Hit ambush. Nothing happens. Hit it again. Nothing happens. Hit it once more, then bam 3 ambushes and a big magicka drain.

Bouvin

Columba wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Certain Templar abilities are still causing stunlock.

yeah, not sure which those skill are, but i get perma stuck sometimes.

I'm getting stunlocked in PvP all the time with full stamina and no fear (it's obvious when your feared).

Dodge rolling and break free won't get you out of it either.

There's obviously a combo that's still stun locking.

The_Death_Princess

Gorthax wrote: »

if only everyone would switch to sword and shield then they would not die so quickly huh? I love when people using sword and shield with permablock casting think they are good :P reduced damage, amazing offense, yeup. takes skill ^_~

Ah, thanks. And here is the example of what I do not label as an exploit. CERTAINLY (ZOS) it is poor game mechanics, with its 360 degree block, and must be changed, BUT it is working as intended for now. Utilizing game mechanics that are not is exploiting.

Fixing this issue would also solve alot of thing ZOS. Really, come on, you design some skills to go through block and some not? Make it so that its all chains so you can show true skill amongst players. I. E. Light attack > attack spell > block > heavy attack > block > attack spell etc etc as a sequence. THATS realistic.

Mukuro

Please leave sorc bolt escape off your exploit QQ... It can't be nerfed more then it already is. .. Thank you

Asgari

Beerbill wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Talons can be used over and over because it is a soft cc. You can still attack and block from within the cc. Not sure the issue here.

The speed hack thing is a joke. It's a 1 second cast time.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's intended that talons can be used that way, it's an immobilize. All immobilize attacks can be spammed like that. Dodge breaks it, break free will make you immune for a few seconds.

Encase/Talons can be dodged/purged/rolled out of etc. they are working as intended. People need to stop correlating them to a perma CC when you can still attack and defend from within the CC.

While i cannot say for sure the reason I have experienced many times the talon lock and even after breaking it, the talon was reapplied. Of course it could be a lag reason as stated above since this occurred in Cyrodil.

Anyway this is a really frustrating experience.

Talons and encase can both be reapplied over and over again because it is not a hard cc. You can still block and attack from within the cc. Also you can purge the effect off of you and not waste any stamina.

Grim13

There's an EP player on Thorn NA right now who is magically capable of going invisible regardless of multiple people using detect pots while standing on top of him... he also ceases taking any damage at around 4% health.

Columba

Grim13 wrote: »

There's an EP player on Thorn NA right now who is magically capable of going invisible regardless of multiple people using detect pots while standing on top of him... he also ceases taking any damage at around 4% health.

Mist form exploit?