People with a VR1 character don't deserve as many CP as people with a VR14 character
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭well now we are into semantics, because tracking something and doing something with that tracked something are completely different things.
It feels like it doesn't matter that they tracked it since the resulting action is not to your liking, that I get.
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭well now we are into semantics, because tracking something and doing something with that tracked something are completely different things.
It feels like it doesn't matter that they tracked it since the resulting action is not to your liking, that I get.
^^ I might have said in hurried post from smartphone they weren't tracking it but it was just my mind making that link you just described
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ZOS_TristanK✭✭✭✭✭
✭We're happy for you folks to continue your discussion about Champion Points, but as we already have several other active threads about this topic open, we are going to sink this thread. We'd also like to let you know that we will be going through and removing several posts which violate our Code of Conduct to try and encourage the conversation to continue in a constructive way. Thank you for your understanding.4 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_TristanK wrote: »We're happy for you folks to continue your discussion about Champion Points, but as we already have several other active threads about this topic open, we are going to sink this thread. We'd also like to let you know that we will be going through and removing several posts which violate our Code of Conduct to try and encourage the conversation to continue in a constructive way. Thank you for your understanding.
But its so full of love in here
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Veteran Ranks were only ever designed as content gates after max level. Everyone hated that, and they are going to get removed so everyone starts endgame after max level. This includes being able to equip any current veteran gear at level 50.
You are not compensated for your exp because exp doesn't matter, it's the access to content that experience provided that does. Whether this is achieved by experience points, veteran points or gummy points is irrelevant. And all the content you got to access through the veteran system is still there, nothing is being taken away from you. That "VR1" players get the same access was the whole point of the removal of the veteran system.
When they increased the amount of veteran points per mob in veteran zones, you did not demand compensation for all the kills that didn't reward you fully.
When they adjusted the alliance points earned in Cyrodiil, you did not demand compensation for all the objectives and kills that didn't reward you fully.
When they lowered the gold cost of skill and attribute resets, you did not demand a refund for all the gold you put into the shrines.
You always get what you earn then and there. None of us have earned only a single point in the new champion system yet. And that's exactly the amount you deserve.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.8 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_TristanK wrote: »We're happy for you folks to continue your discussion about Champion Points, but as we already have several other active threads about this topic open, we are going to sink this thread. We'd also like to let you know that we will be going through and removing several posts which violate our Code of Conduct to try and encourage the conversation to continue in a constructive way. Thank you for your understanding.
REALLY? I am astonished to see, once again, this type of Dev response instead of a constructive reply explaining why this whole business of CP is being handled this way. I don't have a VR 14 character. Nevertheless, it DOES seem pretty much a no-brainer that those who DO SHOULD be getting more CP than those with lower VR characters. So WHY is this being done the way it is????PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Veteran Ranks were only ever designed as content gates after max level. Everyone hated that, and they are going to get removed so everyone starts endgame after max level. This includes being able to equip any current veteran gear at level 50.
You are not compensated for your exp because exp doesn't matter, it's the access to content that experience provided that does. Whether this is achieved by experience points, veteran points or gummy points is irrelevant. And all the content you got to access through the veteran system is still there, nothing is being taken away from you. That "VR1" players get the same access was the whole point of the removal of the veteran system.
When they increased the amount of veteran points per mob in veteran zones, you did not demand compensation for all the kills that didn't reward you fully.
When they adjusted the alliance points earned in Cyrodiil, you did not demand compensation for all the objectives and kills that didn't reward you fully.
When they lowered the gold cost of skill and attribute resets, you did not demand a refund for all the gold you put into the shrines.
You always get what you earn then and there. None of us have earned only a single point in the new champion system yet. And that's exactly the amount you deserve.ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »Greetings! I am Maria Aliprando, Gameplay Designer on the Champion System.
Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes.
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap. In general, most people won’t reach the cap and we do not know what that cap is yet. We're still working out that value and making sure to take a look at the XP you all are earning.
We deserved the truth, we deserved not to be lied into keep playing a game that was going to restart. At least Final Fantasy had the decensy to close the game and relaunch instead of lying to it's custommers in order to vampirise months of subs.
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »ZOS_TristanK wrote: »We're happy for you folks to continue your discussion about Champion Points, but as we already have several other active threads about this topic open, we are going to sink this thread. We'd also like to let you know that we will be going through and removing several posts which violate our Code of Conduct to try and encourage the conversation to continue in a constructive way. Thank you for your understanding.
REALLY? I am astonished to see, once again, this type of Dev response instead of a constructive reply explaining why this whole business of CP is being handled this way. I don't have a VR 14 character. Nevertheless, it DOES seem pretty much a no-brainer that those who DO SHOULD be getting more CP than those with lower VR characters. So WHY is this being done the way it is????
That dev response was: this thread anoys us because it's the truth so instead of closing it (since we would be called facists for censoring people like this) we'll just let it sink which is just like closing it.
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thelordoffelines✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand why they don't give level 3's 30 champion points too. I mean it takes more experience going from v1-v14 than it does going 1-50. Soo why not just five them points too?2
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Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭These posts are making the community look stupid.
Vet Ranks persist in 1.6. When vet ranks go away, they MAY convert Vet Rank XP accrued into Champion Points XP. What is so hard to understand here?
1.6.5 or 1.7 aren't even being speculated upon yet..........BECAUSE THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY RELAUNCHING THE GAME IN 1.6.................
Rhey said they wouldnt in german forum.
Link and translated please?
Because every single thing I've read has it that they aren't even broaching that decision yet. Because that's a massive undertaking in and of itself. Get the thing implemented then introduce enormous imbalances simultaneously sounds epically and unequivocally DUMB.
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Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭These posts are making the community look stupid.
Vet Ranks persist in 1.6. When vet ranks go away, they MAY convert Vet Rank XP accrued into Champion Points XP. What is so hard to understand here?
1.6.5 or 1.7 aren't even being speculated upon yet..........BECAUSE THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY RELAUNCHING THE GAME IN 1.6.................
They have stated they arnt converting xp to cp in 1.7. THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS TO DO THIS! Stop saying there is.
People have to say their peace now before things go live and its to late. Get used to it. Its what forums like this are for.
Your Sig says something contradictory. Which means it probably hasn't even been discussed. Chill out and wait for 1.7..........0 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭Veteran Ranks were only ever designed as content gates after max level. Everyone hated that, and they are going to get removed so everyone starts endgame after max level. This includes being able to equip any current veteran gear at level 50.
You are not compensated for your exp because exp doesn't matter, it's the access to content that experience provided that does. Whether this is achieved by experience points, veteran points or gummy points is irrelevant. And all the content you got to access through the veteran system is still there, nothing is being taken away from you. That "VR1" players get the same access was the whole point of the removal of the veteran system.
When they increased the amount of veteran points per mob in veteran zones, you did not demand compensation for all the kills that didn't reward you fully.
When they adjusted the alliance points earned in Cyrodiil, you did not demand compensation for all the objectives and kills that didn't reward you fully.
When they lowered the gold cost of skill and attribute resets, you did not demand a refund for all the gold you put into the shrines.
You always get what you earn then and there. None of us have earned only a single point in the new champion system yet. And that's exactly the amount you deserve.ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »Greetings! I am Maria Aliprando, Gameplay Designer on the Champion System.
Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes.
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap. In general, most people won’t reach the cap and we do not know what that cap is yet. We're still working out that value and making sure to take a look at the XP you all are earning.
We deserved the truth, we deserved not to be lied into keep playing a game that was going to restart. At least Final Fantasy had the decensy to close the game and relaunch instead of lying to it's custommers in order to vampirise months of subs.
LOL i would be mad if i had to wait for a relaunch now haha. I like the game as it is and many do. Just stupid to say....0 -
GreyBrow✭✭✭✭ZOS_TristanK wrote: »We're happy for you folks to continue your discussion about Champion Points, but as we already have several other active threads about this topic open, we are going to sink this thread. We'd also like to let you know that we will be going through and removing several posts which violate our Code of Conduct to try and encourage the conversation to continue in a constructive way. Thank you for your understanding.
THE PEOPLE WILL BE HEARD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_dissent
At this point, you are the ones bullying/harassing/strong arming us into accepting whatever balderdash you feel like dishing out.
It's getting ridiculous.
Suppression of dissent occurs when an individual or group which is more powerful than another tries to directly or indirectly censor, persecute or otherwise oppress the other party, rather than engage with and constructively respond to or accommodate the other party's arguments or viewpoint. When dissent is perceived as a threat, action may be taken to prevent continuing dissent or penalize dissidents.1