#DunmerMasterRace

Sypher wrote: »

Dark Elf.

Dark Elf Master DK Race.

Dunmer, imperial, Altmer/Breton. In that order.

woodsro wrote: »

I say Breton, heck Breton for anything in this game.

Racial passive for spell resist- surviability

Racial passive for spell cost decrease- cast GDB and Scales cheaper.

- Racial Passive for more max magicka

The light armor racial passive is just a bonus

Right now bretons are good at everything. There isn't a role they can't do, DK use class abilities a lot, you give up a little hp for far more use of those abilities with more magic and less cost. The spell resist means you don't need jewelry for that so it frees up other spots.

Don't get me wrong other races do well in their roles too, it just seems Bretons fit about anywhere as their racials are useful in pretty much every scenario, kinda like a jack of all trades race. When in doubt you can't go wrong with a Breton

Dark Elf is the one and only choice for a DK who is going to pvp. The passives are too good to pass up for anything else!

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

I say Breton, heck Breton for anything in this game.

Racial passive for spell resist- surviability

Racial passive for spell cost decrease- cast GDB and Scales cheaper.

- Racial Passive for more max magicka

The light armor racial passive is just a bonus

Right now bretons are good at everything. There isn't a role they can't do, DK use class abilities a lot, you give up a little hp for far more use of those abilities with more magic and less cost. The spell resist means you don't need jewelry for that so it frees up other spots.

Don't get me wrong other races do well in their roles too, it just seems Bretons fit about anywhere as their racials are useful in pretty much every scenario, kinda like a jack of all trades race. When in doubt you can't go wrong with a Breton

Dark Elf is the one and only choice for a DK who is going to pvp. The passives are too good to pass up for anything else!

Dark elf AND Imperial, imperials with arena and valkyn can hit 3.5k health. 2.3k stamina, 2.5k magika. Dark elf #1 though.

Maybe I'll let dark elf slide for imperial in 1.6 because of the nice stats you get. But with how fire resist is so needed in pvp especially if your a vamp the dark elf racials are too good.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I think you guys overvalue fire resist cause light armor is going to negate most of it. If I could remake my dk Itd be either a Redguard or imperial. Right now I'm stuck with a useless nord

For 1v1 against other DKs who use whip it makes a difference because whip isn't affected from spell resistance.

0 fire resist = get hit for ~500 from whip.
1500 fire resist = get hit for ~400
3000 fire resist = get hit for ~300 from whip.

Before they started raising the caps my nord wasn't to bad cause I capped most things at the start. Now though.. Imperial stat increase is so good. For magicka build dumner is great though for that fire damage and such. I really wish I was redguard though right now for my dk.

My next character is going to be an imperial Templar though. So I'll be correcting that mistake heh

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I think you guys overvalue fire resist cause light armor is going to negate most of it. If I could remake my dk Itd be either a Redguard or imperial. Right now I'm stuck with a useless nord

For 1v1 against other DKs who use whip it makes a difference because whip isn't affected from spell resistance.

0 fire resist = get hit for ~500 from whip.
1500 fire resist = get hit for ~400
3000 fire resist = get hit for ~300 from whip.

Hmm what you mean it's not effected by spell resist?

It's mitigated by armor or fire resist only. Capping at 50% mitigation of course.

More spell resist wont make it hit less harder.

Dunmer Master Race reporting in

Also non-vamp, because vamps are silly on a DK, tbqh. It gives you a weakness others can exploit.

inb4 muh bats. Yeah if you rely on bats to carry you in PvP, then I suggest learning a new way to play, because ult gen is going to be zero next month. All those lovely stacking AOE/Bats builds are going to be completely neutered. Building around chaining your ultimate for near constant uptime has always been stupid IMO anyway.

Also, a Dunmer with a fire ballista is... slightly more hilarious than anything else with a fire ballista. 412 damage ticks base cause the fire damage passive applies to siege as well.

Remember that Fire Resistance is additive and unaffected by the soft cap. Hard cap of 50% is at 3300, scaling linearly. This means 66 armor or resist = 1%.

1575 fire resistance = 23.86% fire resistance
2100 spell resistance (my breton's spell resistance - 300) = 31.82% spell resistance

23.86% + 31.82% = 55.68% > 50% = 50% fire resistance.

Dark Elf hard caps fire resistance effortlessly, and provides a little bit extra on top to help mitigate penetration. You can do the same calculations with armor:

~1000 armor = 15.15% physical resistance
1575 fire resistance = 23.86% fire resistance

23.86% + 15.15% = 39.01% molten whip resistance.

Add an armor ring to that for 630 armor = ~9.55% physical resistance.

39.01% + 9.55% = 48.56% molten whip resistance.

Oh that's odd, figured it was mitigated by spell resist. Wonder if unstable flame works the same.

Sypher wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Oh that's odd, figured it was mitigated by spell resist. Wonder if unstable flame works the same.

The initial hit of unstable is mitigated by armor and fire resistance. The initial hit is based off weapon crit and spell damage.

The dot of unstable is mitigated by spell resistance and fire resistance. The dot is based off spell crit and spell damage.

That's weird... Like I knew it was based off weapon crit on some, but having the dot and everything else based off other stats is silly. Can't wait for 1.6 is released.

I'm just hoping they offer a race respec eventually, or they rebalance all the bloody racial passives now that they changed the game so much.

Rylana wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Dunmer Master Race reporting in

Also non-vamp, because vamps are silly on a DK, tbqh. It gives you a weakness others can exploit.

inb4 muh bats. Yeah if you rely on bats to carry you in PvP, then I suggest learning a new way to play, because ult gen is going to be zero next month. All those lovely stacking AOE/Bats builds are going to be completely neutered. Building around chaining your ultimate for near constant uptime has always been stupid IMO anyway.

Also, a Dunmer with a fire ballista is... slightly more hilarious than anything else with a fire ballista. 412 damage ticks base cause the fire damage passive applies to siege as well.

Most of the people using Bats aren't building for constant uptime, they are building for a large, mobile AoE ultimate which is not affected by Negate.

But is completely worthless vs an opponent that knows to back away. AOE bat spammers rely on people being bad to have any real effect (or in tight closed areas)

Inside of a keep, or other enclosed area with little wiggle room, Ill give that much, ek vamps are pure evil.

Otherwise vs competent groups, especially open field, vamps just make for easy kills usually, if a little longwinded to take down. But you know this I am sure. An AOE bomb group running evil hunter makes short work of a vampire DK bomb group, and gains stamina back, to boot. I personally believe that morph is the most underrated fighters guild skill in the game.

Better off just dropping a standard or even a magma shell, at least those have a group benefit/synergy and arent just selfish self-preservation skills. Hell i even prefer dragon leap over standard a good deal of the time. High immediate damage, low cost, knockdown, ranged/gap closer, etc.

Besides, negate can only do so much, is static, can be countered with immovable, can be bashed out of, and all it takes is another negate to negate that negate. (which pretty much comes down to who ult dumps first, and will be a metagame that is ending with 1.6 anyway)

If you think that using a ground-based AOE is a good idea, I don't think you understand the current metagame as well as you claim to. The way negates currently interact with each other, the side with access to more total negates is nearly always going to win, and anything that feeds Absorption Fields is actively bad.

Further, there's a huge resource management gap between using Ferocious Leap and using Devouring/Clouding Swarm, since Battle Roar restoration scales based on base ultimate cost. Even though those abilities have basically the same ultimate cost (150 vs 158 in stage 4 vamp), Swarm restores substantially more resources, and the further sustainability of Devouring Swarm makes chaining it a lot more realistic.

Its true that this metagame is in some parts going away in the future, but its probably a month or more, and in the current status quo, when one of the most important groups you fight is about 40% people layering absorption fields on top of each other, using a ground based AOE is at best rarely effective, and at worse actively harmful to your group.

I think nearly everyone using Devouring Swarm would give up vampirism if there was just a relevant, AOE damaging ultimate they could use that wasn't worthless during a fight against strong, coodinated groups.

Since you claim you spend most of your time on Thornblade fighting DC these days, I appreciate how you might not understand this necessity, but trust me when I say that if you spend any substantial amount of time fighting against EP's best guilds, with the current mechanics of negate, you will find that activating Dragonknight Standard and having it be a profitable choice is actually quite difficult.

As a non-vampire DK, I love when I get to fight AD because there's actually a chance that my ultimate is useful. When Havoc and IR are involved, the only hope I have of it being helpful is to try to drop it right on top of a hostile DK standard, and hope they fail to notice mine is there.