Welcome to TESO have a nice an beautifull day 8)

xMovingTarget · December 2014

Islyn wrote: »

If some players leaving didn't matter and v14 didn't matter I wouldn't be healing pledges sometimes 3-5 times a day because *there are literally not enough good templars* online across 2 and even sometimes 3 guilds to cover the rest of the guild getting pledges done.

To say that some players leaving doesn't matter is hogwash.

If they are casual players then - no - it doesn't matter because they are casual and folks doing v14 pledges neither want nor need them and no one expects a casual player to dps, tank or heal on the level it takes to complete these and/or trials.

So if casual people leave it matters little. Also there are many more casual players than 'hard core' players.

Most of us in top tier guilds definitely notice it when one of ours leaves.

All the best to all this Holiday Season

Have you seen my Guildmates? I cant raid!! AAAARRARRGGHHH

Lionxoft · December 2014

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

XP... XP... XP... always XP... is that all people play for ???

I reached lvl VT14 a very long time ago and stopped XPing since then.
But I did a lot of dungeoning, raiding since then and learned many, many things playing with lots of different people.

DPS (or any other stat for that matter) depends as much on your skills and gear as on your ability to dodge, get out of red zones and react to the game's environment in an appropriate, quick and clever manner.

That's what I call real XP, it's much more important than numbers, that what makes the fun of the game for me and no change from ZOS can take that away from me. Or from any of us.

They just want to update their signature with how many Champion Points they have

I'm just half heartedly joking there but we both know it's coming lol.

SFBryan18 · December 2014

You know who else was lied to? Console gamers. I bought this game back when they promised a PS4 transfer after 6 months. You all might be missing some progress, while consoles are missing the entire game. Consider yourselves lucky. It's not the first time they lied and it won't be the last. Whatever happened to that brown Riften wolfhound anyways?

Joy_Division · December 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

You know who else was lied to? Console gamers. I bought this game back when they promised a PS4 transfer after 6 months. You all might be missing some progress, while consoles are missing the entire game. Consider yourselves lucky. It's not the first time they lied and it won't be the last. Whatever happened to that brown Riften wolfhound anyways?

Way to address the points made on this page!

Xjcon · December 2014

Where does it say "I Promise" to anything? I keep seeing people say they were promised these points for playing the game.

Averya_Teira · December 2014

Despair9 wrote: »

There are people that grinded 8 characters to VR 14.
If ZOS would award a point for each VR, that would equal to 112 points.

For a headstart that is just madness what a gap it would create. Nobody, and I really mean nobody should get a boost at launch of champion system.

However if ZOS plans to reward VR players when champion system phase 4 launches, at least cut the reward by half, 1 point for every 2 VRs.

112 points out of 3600 ... woouuuuhhhh what a huge gap... And the more points you have the less increase you get, so your point doesn't even apply... someone with 112 points vs someone with 30 points will not have a huge power difference, maybe 5 % or so...

Morshire · December 2014

Xjcon wrote: »

Where does it say "I Promise" to anything? I keep seeing people say they were promised these points for playing the game.

ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap.

I cannot believe I am even defending this. "Promise" notice the quotes. It is statement. Synonyms for promise:
agreement / assurance / commitment / guarantee / obligation / pact / pledge / vow / word / affiance / affirmation / asseveration / avowal / betrothal / bond / compact / consent / contract / covenant / earnest / engagement / espousal /
insurance / marriage / oath / parole / pawn / plight / profession / security / stipulation / swear / swearing / token / troth / undertaking / warrant / warranty
promissory note / sacred word / word of honor

Pick one if it helps you understand better. ZOS said one thing and did another. Any court of law would agree. False advertisement. If the TV said you would get a free burger at X fast food spot if you showed up by noon. You get there at 11:30AM and they tell you, "Sorry, we are not doing that right now." You'd be up in arms and threatening lawsuit for false advertising. A court would agree. You'd get paid. (If you think that is not true, some guy just settled with Red Bull for millions because he drank it and didn't get wings

)

Get over it and see this for what it is. Players are mad because they were "mislead". They paid their dues and they want what was "insert synonym for promise here".

And for the record, I have ONE V2. Don't even know what difference the CP make to me as I haven't gotten any time off work to even log in. This point is made because I am tired of the ignorance people continue to display.

"Mom - his toy is better than mine!" is not what is being discussed. Did ZOS mislead the players. YES. Should they make it right? YES. Will they make it right?---Chime in anytime ZOS.

Edited to add the original quote about "I Promise". WAIT, I promise to leave this alone if you just agree with me.

ZOS_CatK · December 2014

Greetings everyone!

We had to remove several posts in this thread because they were in violation of our Code Of Conduct. . While we understand why this topic is hotly debated and discussed, we cannot permit trolling, personal insults and baiting on our forums.

Thank you and happy holidays!

Draxys · December 2014

Morshire wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Where does it say "I Promise" to anything? I keep seeing people say they were promised these points for playing the game.

ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap.

I cannot believe I am even defending this. "Promise" notice the quotes. It is statement. Synonyms for promise:
agreement / assurance / commitment / guarantee / obligation / pact / pledge / vow / word / affiance / affirmation / asseveration / avowal / betrothal / bond / compact / consent / contract / covenant / earnest / engagement / espousal /
insurance / marriage / oath / parole / pawn / plight / profession / security / stipulation / swear / swearing / token / troth / undertaking / warrant / warranty
promissory note / sacred word / word of honor

Pick one if it helps you understand better. ZOS said one thing and did another. Any court of law would agree. False advertisement. If the TV said you would get a free burger at X fast food spot if you showed up by noon. You get there at 11:30AM and they tell you, "Sorry, we are not doing that right now." You'd be up in arms and threatening lawsuit for false advertising. A court would agree. You'd get paid. (If you think that is not true, some guy just settled with Red Bull for millions because he drank it and didn't get wings )

Get over it and see this for what it is. Players are mad because they were "mislead". They paid their dues and they want what was "insert synonym for promise here".

And for the record, I have ONE V2. Don't even know what difference the CP make to me as I haven't gotten any time off work to even log in. This point is made because I am tired of the ignorance people continue to display.

"Mom - his toy is better than mine!" is not what is being discussed. Did ZOS mislead the players. YES. Should they make it right? YES. Will they make it right?---Chime in anytime ZOS.

Edited to add the original quote about "I Promise". WAIT, I promise to leave this alone if you just agree with me.

^

Xjcon · December 2014

So the words up to a cap are irrelevant? There was no PROMISE to give said number higher then the current number they are giving. Play on those words all you like.

TehMagnus · December 2014

Xjcon wrote: »

So the words up to a cap are irrelevant? There was no PROMISE to give said number higher then the current number they are giving. Play on those words all you like.

What about the part: In general most people won't reach rhat cap?

Stop playing with words and trying to continue arguing @Morshire‌ explained it to you pretty clearly. Zos made a promise, told us to keep playing because our evolution would: count & be tracked and it ended up being a lie.

End of story.

TehMagnus · December 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

You know who else was lied to? Console gamers. I bought this game back when they promised a PS4 transfer after 6 months. You all might be missing some progress, while consoles are missing the entire game. Consider yourselves lucky. It's not the first time they lied and it won't be the last. Whatever happened to that brown Riften wolfhound anyways?

Console dev is one of the reasons the game has been so slow to get fixed since most devs ans UI designers are working on it. You won't see us crying u a river for it, console was the worst thing that happenned to this game.

manny254 · December 2014

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

XP... XP... XP... always XP... is that all people play for ???

I reached lvl VT14 a very long time ago and stopped XPing since then.
But I did a lot of dungeoning, raiding since then and learned many, many things playing with lots of different people.

DPS (or any other stat for that matter) depends as much on your skills and gear as on your ability to dodge, get out of red zones and react to the game's environment in an appropriate, quick and clever manner.

That's what I call real XP, it's much more important than numbers, that what makes the fun of the game for me and no change from ZOS can take that away from me. Or from any of us.

A part of gameplay is character progression. Personally this is one of my favorite part of any game. There was a period in this game where I felt like I could no longer progress so I stopped playing. The same thing is happening to me again until the champion system is released. This a major part of any game to me and others.

Heck since we are talking about this type of thing I will take mommment to *** off some fanboys. Skyrim's progression and gameplay systems where garbage.

Lava_Croft · December 2014

I have one VR14 character. Playing it since pre-release. Did the main quest and moved to PvP. Did Caldwell's Silver and Gold while Cyrodiil was recovering from a really bad framerate issue, back when Veteran content actually presented some kind of a challenge. Played PvP exclusively after that. I probably accumulated a ton of experience beyond VR14.

Still, I get the same amount of Champion Points as someone who will hit VR1 the day before Update 6 is deployed to the Live server.

How can anyone defend this ridiculous approach ZOS is taking?

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2014

manny254 wrote: »

A part of gameplay is character progression. Personally this is one of my favorite part of any game. There was a period in this game where I felt like I could no longer progress so I stopped playing. The same thing is happening to me again until the champion system is released. This a major part of any game to me and others.

I understand that and it matters to me too... but doest it necessarily have to be reflected in XP and levels ? I mean, you loot good stuff (in dungeons and trials) your gear gets better, your char gets better and this is something you can actually *feel*, regardless of level and/or XP numbers... can't you ?

I even prefer this than the levelling 1-50, during which i did not feel any progress... my char was gaining levels, sure, but the difference between me and the mobs was constant, so i did not feel any progress... whereas i do now, with all the gear i worked for, analyzed, tried, changed, combined... and the progress in my own playing skills.

manny254 · December 2014

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

A part of gameplay is character progression. Personally this is one of my favorite part of any game. There was a period in this game where I felt like I could no longer progress so I stopped playing. The same thing is happening to me again until the champion system is released. This a major part of any game to me and others.

I understand that and it matters to me too... but doest it necessarily have to be reflected in XP and levels ? I mean, you loot good stuff (in dungeons and trials) your gear gets better, your char gets better and this is something you can actually *feel*, regardless of level and/or XP numbers... can't you ?

I even prefer this than the levelling 1-50, during which i did not feel any progress... my char was gaining levels, sure, but the difference between me and the mobs was constant, so i did not feel any progress... whereas i do now, with all the gear i worked for, analyzed, tried, changed, combined... and the progress in my own playing skills.

Gear progression really doesn't happen in this game IMO. You can do more than well enough with crafted gear that is easy to acquire, and bop gear is transferable between characters.

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2014

Again you don't understand what I mean... it's not the gear that progresses... because how godd a set is is directly related to your playstyle and your character... what I mean is that the work you do while testing sets and analyzing their properties and trying different combinations has a real impact on the efficiency of your character and THAT is TRUE XP. Not numbers.

@Lava Croft : of course the decision of ZOS is defendable. At some stage you will have to accept that others reach the same "level" as you even if they started later than you in the game or progressed more slowly. What's the point of being always ahead ... ??? If they never catch up with you, who are you going to play with ??? Some people just stop playing for IRL related or whatever reason, and then you'll complain that the game is a desert and a fail, while in reality your will to always keep your so-called "benefits" just for yourself will just leave you alone in the field.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm glad players are getting a little bit even, because I will at last be able to play in groups with my VR5 ou VR6 friends without having to play downscaled content or wait for them to grind half an eternity to VR14. And if I feel short of CP, I'll farm them like anything else. So be it.

SFBryan18 · December 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

You know who else was lied to? Console gamers. I bought this game back when they promised a PS4 transfer after 6 months. You all might be missing some progress, while consoles are missing the entire game. Consider yourselves lucky. It's not the first time they lied and it won't be the last. Whatever happened to that brown Riften wolfhound anyways?

Console dev is one of the reasons the game has been so slow to get fixed since most devs ans UI designers are working on it. You won't see us crying u a river for it, console was the worst thing that happenned to this game.

And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress. BTW, if it wasn't for consoles, ESO might not even exist. TES was born on PC, but the console are what made it big enough to make an MMO. I don't think many people understand that. You say consoles are the worst thing that happened to this game, but this game owes its existence to them.

xMovingTarget · December 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress.

Since Bethesda thought its a good idea to put TES on Consoles the game got worse and dumbed down. Morrowind was great, you had to use your brain. A true RPG.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Dazin93 · December 2014

Despair9 wrote: »

There are people that grinded 8 characters to VR 14.
If ZOS would award a point for each VR, that would equal to 112 points.

For a headstart that is just madness what a gap it would create. Nobody, and I really mean nobody should get a boost at launch of champion system.

However if ZOS plans to reward VR players when champion system phase 4 launches, at least cut the reward by half, 1 point for every 2 VRs.

SFBryan18 · December 2014

xMovingTarget wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress.

Since Bethesda thought its a good idea to put TES on Consoles the game got worse and dumbed down. Morrowind was great, you had to use your brain. A true RPG.

Sounds like a scapegoat argument without any real evidence to back it up. There are many factors that change video games over the years, but I like Oblivion and Skyrim, and if they hadn't sold so well on consoles, ESO might not even exist.

PC actually sold 14%:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
Do you believe that 14% was enough to create ESO?

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

DDuke · December 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress.

Since Bethesda thought its a good idea to put TES on Consoles the game got worse and dumbed down. Morrowind was great, you had to use your brain. A true RPG.

Sounds like a scapegoat argument without any real evidence to back it up. There are many factors that change video games over the years, but I like Oblivion and Skyrim, and if they hadn't sold so well on consoles, ESO might not even exist.

PC actually sold 14%:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
Do you believe that 14% was enough to create ESO?

And I got news for you: Oblivion & Skyrim would not exist, not on PC & certainly not on consoles either, if Morrowind hadn't been such a big that captured the hearts of RPG fans.

Bethesda was going through hard times when they were making it, and they had nothing to lose so they went all in on the project, which shows in the game's quality. Around 95% of people who played that game & whom I've talked to still consider it the best Elder Scrolls title.

Later, they became succesfull & began dumbing down to appease the disrespectful console players, who wanted everything made easy for them, just like they're used to (at the expense of PC players).

I'm probably going to get LOL'ed for this, I just know it, but since average human IQ has been on a downfall since the Victorian era, as everything has been dumbed down for people (easier life in cities than in the countryside, machines & electronics doing the work that human mind used to do etc), could consoles just be a direct continuation of this trend?

SFBryan18 · December 2014

DDuke wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress.

O.O Such a wonderful human being you are. Just leave, nobody will miss you..

Since Bethesda thought its a good idea to put TES on Consoles the game got worse and dumbed down. Morrowind was great, you had to use your brain. A true RPG.

Sounds like a scapegoat argument without any real evidence to back it up. There are many factors that change video games over the years, but I like Oblivion and Skyrim, and if they hadn't sold so well on consoles, ESO might not even exist.

PC actually sold 14%:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
Do you believe that 14% was enough to create ESO? And FYI, no one would miss you either.

And I got news for you: Oblivion & Skyrim would not exist, not on PC & certainly not on consoles either, if Morrowind hadn't been such a big that captured the hearts of RPG fans.

Bethesda was going through hard times when they were making it, and they had nothing to lose so they went all in on the project, which shows in the game's quality. Around 95% of people who played that game & whom I've talked to still consider it the best Elder Scrolls title.

Later, they became succesfull & began dumbing down to appease the disrespectful console players, who wanted everything made easy for them, just like they're used to (at the expense of PC players).

I'm probably going to get LOL'ed for this, I just know it, but since average human IQ has been on a downfall since the Victorian era, as everything has been dumbed down for people (easier life in cities than in the country, machines & electronics doing the work that human mind used to do etc), could consoles just be a direct continuation of this trend?

But you see, while you are correct that TES was created on PC, I'm not blaming PC for all my problems the way many blame consoles. So I really didn't need you to defend PC because I enjoy playing games on both. I would like some proof of your theories on how the game was dumbed down though because it sounds like hearsay BS. Did they write a book about this, or did you just gather this information from 'internet' sources?

DDuke · December 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress.

O.O Such a wonderful human being you are. Just leave, nobody will miss you..

Since Bethesda thought its a good idea to put TES on Consoles the game got worse and dumbed down. Morrowind was great, you had to use your brain. A true RPG.

Sounds like a scapegoat argument without any real evidence to back it up. There are many factors that change video games over the years, but I like Oblivion and Skyrim, and if they hadn't sold so well on consoles, ESO might not even exist.

PC actually sold 14%:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
Do you believe that 14% was enough to create ESO? And FYI, no one would miss you either.

I would miss him

And I got news for you: Oblivion & Skyrim would not exist, not on PC & certainly not on consoles either, if Morrowind hadn't been such a big that captured the hearts of RPG fans.

Bethesda was going through hard times when they were making it, and they had nothing to lose so they went all in on the project, which shows in the game's quality. Around 95% of people who played that game & whom I've talked to still consider it the best Elder Scrolls title.

Later, they became succesfull & began dumbing down to appease the disrespectful console players, who wanted everything made easy for them, just like they're used to (at the expense of PC players).

I'm probably going to get LOL'ed for this, I just know it, but since average human IQ has been on a downfall since the Victorian era, as everything has been dumbed down for people (easier life in cities than in the country, machines & electronics doing the work that human mind used to do etc), could consoles just be a direct continuation of this trend?

But you see, while you are correct that TES was created on PC, I'm not blaming PC for all my problems the way many blame consoles. So I really didn't need you to defend PC because I enjoy playing games on both. I would like some proof of your theories on how the game was dumbed down though because it sounds like hearsay BS. Did they write a book about this, or did you just gather this information from 'internet' sources?

It was created on PC, and ruined on consoles

How it was dumbed down? Have some examples:

Level Scaling

Morrowind: No scaling, you could actually die if you went to the wrong place at the wrong time. You could die if you pissed off the wrong person.
Oblivion: Level scaling introduced, dying becomes an impossibility.
Skyrim: Level scaling continues, dying continues to be an impossiblity.

Armour

Morrowind:

You can wear clothing beneath your armour
Three armour types (light, medium, heavy)
Armour can break, 9 armor slots

Oblivion:

Clothing beneath armour deemed too confusing for some people & gets removed
Armour types down to 2 (light and heavy)
Armour can still break
Down to 6 armour slots because 9 pieces was too hard to count for people

Skyrim:

People still don't need clothes in the frozen wastes of Skyrim
People are still trying to understand what is between light & heavy
Armour is suddenly made of mysterious metal that never breaks
Chest+Greaves = Pyjama, and we are down to 5 armour slots, because who wants to collect a lot of items in RPG right? That's difficult & time-consuming when you have to equip more things.

Skills

Morrowind:

27 Skills

Oblivion:

21 Skills, because some people couldn't count to 27

Skyrim:

Still too many numbers, lots of heads hurt by thinking. Skills down to 18

Attributes

Morrowind:

Strength, Speed, Intelligence, Willpower, Agility, Charisma, Luck.

Oblivion:

Your character is still a normal being.

Skyrim:

You need no strength, no speed, no intelligence, no willpower, agility, charisma or luck. Who needs those things? You've got health! And you can run with stamina and cast spells with magicka! Who needs strength or intelligence huh? Certainly not people in a real world. You are DRAGONBORN!!

And there are so, so many more examples that I could fill this thread with 100 more pages of evidence, and if you try to argue "oh, that wasn't dumbing down, it was *insert excuse here*" you're only proving my point.

Vlakna · December 2014

You ppl keep comparing this with real life jobs, bank accounts. This is a game its meant to entertain. If you are no longer entertain just cancel your subscription and be done with it. No but you got to come here and whine, whine and keep whining.
Go ahead keep the rest amused. keep going.

Frenkthevile · December 2014

tplink3r1 wrote: »

"The Elder Commies Online"
good to know im not the only one who thought that.

Commies that uses staves&robes, of course.
Really disappointed for having ''completed'' Craglorn before Champ system, i'll lose tons of easy xp during champ system i guess.
If they won't reward our REAL amount of xp, they should RESET evry Veteran Quest in the game to allow us to do them again at least. I'm already annoyed by the Undaunted silly sistem...this is too much.

Nirnroot · December 2014

@magnusnet - You're absolutely right

SFBryan18 · December 2014

DDuke wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

And I won't shed a tear for players who are going to lose progress.

O.O Such a wonderful human being you are. Just leave, nobody will miss you..

Since Bethesda thought its a good idea to put TES on Consoles the game got worse and dumbed down. Morrowind was great, you had to use your brain. A true RPG.

Sounds like a scapegoat argument without any real evidence to back it up. There are many factors that change video games over the years, but I like Oblivion and Skyrim, and if they hadn't sold so well on consoles, ESO might not even exist.

PC actually sold 14%:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
Do you believe that 14% was enough to create ESO? And FYI, no one would miss you either.

I would miss him

And I got news for you: Oblivion & Skyrim would not exist, not on PC & certainly not on consoles either, if Morrowind hadn't been such a big that captured the hearts of RPG fans.

Bethesda was going through hard times when they were making it, and they had nothing to lose so they went all in on the project, which shows in the game's quality. Around 95% of people who played that game & whom I've talked to still consider it the best Elder Scrolls title.

Later, they became succesfull & began dumbing down to appease the disrespectful console players, who wanted everything made easy for them, just like they're used to (at the expense of PC players).

I'm probably going to get LOL'ed for this, I just know it, but since average human IQ has been on a downfall since the Victorian era, as everything has been dumbed down for people (easier life in cities than in the country, machines & electronics doing the work that human mind used to do etc), could consoles just be a direct continuation of this trend?

But you see, while you are correct that TES was created on PC, I'm not blaming PC for all my problems the way many blame consoles. So I really didn't need you to defend PC because I enjoy playing games on both. I would like some proof of your theories on how the game was dumbed down though because it sounds like hearsay BS. Did they write a book about this, or did you just gather this information from 'internet' sources?

It was created on PC, and ruined on consoles

How it was dumbed down? Have some examples:

Level Scaling
Morrowind: No scaling, you could actually die if you went to the wrong place at the wrong time. You could die if you pissed off the wrong person.
Oblivion: Level scaling introduced, dying becomes an impossibility.
Skyrim: Level scaling continues, dying continues to be an impossiblity.

Armour
Morrowind:
You can wear clothing beneath your armour

Three armour types (light, medium, heavy)

Armour can break, 9 armor slots

Oblivion:
Clothing beneath armour deemed too confusing for some people & gets removed

Armour types down to 2 (light and heavy)

Armour can still break

Down to 6 armour slots because 9 pieces was too hard to count for people

Skyrim:
People still don't need clothes in the frozen wastes of Skyrim

People are still trying to understand what is between light & heavy

Armour is suddenly made of mysterious metal that never breaks

Chest+Greaves = Pyjama, and we are down to 5 armour slots, because who wants to collect a lot of items in RPG right? That's difficult & time-consuming when you have to equip more things.

Skills
Morrowind:
27 Skills

Oblivion:
21 Skills, because some people couldn't count to 27

Skyrim:
Still too many numbers, lots of heads hurt by thinking. Skills down to 18

Attributes
Morrowind:
Strength, Speed, Intelligence, Willpower, Agility, Charisma, Luck.

Oblivion:
Your character is still a normal being.

Skyrim:
You need no strength, no speed, no intelligence, no willpower, agility, charisma or luck. Who needs those things? You've got health! And you can run with stamina and cast spells with magicka! Who needs strength or intelligence huh? Certainly not people in a real world. You are DRAGONBORN!!

And there are so, so many more examples that I could fill this thread with 100 more pages of evidence, and if you try to argue "oh, that wasn't dumbing down, it was *insert excuse here*" you're only proving my point.

All speculation. I would like you to prove their intent. You're pointing out game changes and then saying that it was because of the console, but you fail to prove that these changes are because of console. Besides that, your opinion of how good or bad these changes are, is an opinion. So even if these were all because of console, and you think it ruined the original design, who really cares about what you think? You're just some guy QQ'ing on the internet. What if I said that you are ruining my forum experience? Do you think anyone cares? Games change. Deal with it.

Guppet · December 2014

Frenkthevile wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

"The Elder Commies Online"
good to know im not the only one who thought that.

Commies that uses staves&robes, of course.
Really disappointed for having ''completed'' Craglorn before Champ system, i'll lose tons of easy xp during champ system i guess.
If they won't reward our REAL amount of xp, they should RESET evry Veteran Quest in the game to allow us to do them again at least. I'm already annoyed by the Undaunted silly sistem...this is too much.

Resetting the quests is nice for those that have completed them all, less so for those currently part way through. Maybe, rather than that crappy necklace, Cadwell offers to reset the quests, at the end of gold.

Morshire · December 2014

Vlakna wrote: »

You ppl keep comparing this with real life jobs, bank accounts. This is a game its meant to entertain. If you are no longer entertain just cancel your subscription and be done with it. No but you got to come here and whine, whine and keep whining.
Go ahead keep the rest amused. keep going.

I cannot believe the level of "maturity" some of you come to this debate with. Here are the facts from this post:
ESO - a service that we, as players, pay for, has mislead people. A service that was promised (and before you jump on promise, go back to page 11 and read my post) and now they are not going to honor that. Players (paying customers) are angry and want this made right. PERIOD.

Now I for one am not sure whether I am offended or disgusted by all the comments about my implied intelligence, whether I am more valuable than X player, or whether the game I enjoy playing was only made possible by the jackal in his mother's basement playing 24/7 or by the better than that idiot who ignores their family for 2 hours a night to play once a week. (Like how I offended all of you at once?

)

Here is what I see, this time the argument is valid. We are a customer base that is being falsely mislead through advertising. If you are for this point, then you are feeling discriminated against for your playing style. If you are against this, then you are doing the alienating of those players. Historical fact, divide and conquer is a solid military strategy that will leave your opponents disorganized and easily culled. So whenever you scream over a wrong on these forums and no one jumps to your aid, remember this discussion while you are gently getting rammed in the arse.

I am the most casual player here (IMO) and I can see where this is wrong. No one player or even group has or will break this game. But if we do not stand for something, then this game will go the way others have and we will find ourselves in their forum discussing what could have been if we all just stood up for what is right.

But what do I know, I am just a casual player with a lower than average IQ who has played since Morrowind but only follows this game because they continue to dumb it down for my ever decreasing IQ.