Black_Wolf88 wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

No because I don't really care. I feel it would be better if everyone starts at an equal playing field and see where players branch out to.

thats the problem with the whole issue. everyone is not equal what so ever. this only benefits those who have done the least amount of things in game. mostly new players who just got to vr1 as they have everything available to be done.

on the other hand vr14 have a lot less to do in the way of getting champion points, which is why everyone want what was promised by zenimax - our progress that has been logged counts towards champion points.

only then will everyone be equal in terms of champion points

What you say is incorrect.

As a VR 14 you have access to daily quests, can do AVA, run VR dungeons and Trials.

A VR 1 has the option of being murdered in AVA, flamed if he tries to do anything daily quest related (your not VR 14, you don't have achievements - get lost) or be told by the trial entrance that he cant enter.

ZO isn't dumb, they gave that whole system a lot of thought and people need to chill and relax.

It was well known in advance that there is a cap, if people grinded xp like a Duracell Bunny then its their fault for not listening to the official announcements.

Gyudan wrote: »

15 players voted yes in the poll so far. 15*15$ = 225$/month.
I suggest that Paul Sage takes away the expresso machine for the Champion System team to cover the costs of this tragedy!

Don't look good for the whiners. Im sure more people will resub and join again then there will be leaving when the update hits. So no big loss.

Harleyquinceyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Why would I?

I don't need to be put on top of some ranking in order to feel special. I am already special - to me at least. So yeah, doesn't really affect me the least. I am actually glad for those who don't have an equal amount of time to sink into the game as me and my mates have to begin at roughly the same starting point for the CS.

What did those who voted "Yes" expect? Being maxed out on the new CS when it launches? Having 10 more points? 100? 1.000? If someone's as good as he claims and so hardcore at this, he'll falcon punch the CS anyways and just waltz through it at max speed. So.. either those folks seem to have an odd misconception of "What is the playerbase? A ) People with 300+ hrs per week for gaming or B ) People with 15+ hrs per week for gaming?" (and how this affects balancing), or they are vain or maybe suffer some odd ego issues in my book.

See.. this is a game. So it's supposed to be fun. Imagine you're Average Joe and get to VR 10 when the CS launches. Suddenly, there's players who are 5.000+ game hours away from you and it even shows in their skillpoints / passives?

Seriously - if this was pretty much every. single. other. mmo. I have played, you'd be a) paying for 1.6 and b) not get any frigging headstart whatsoever.

I'll simply enjoy the bit of bonus and go do what I always do: Having fun.

Pretty much this, changes in MMO rarely rewards you for earlier efforts.
Yes, then any MMO adds features you will not gain anything because you have have played a lot before the feature is added.
If you play a lot you will rapid pull ahead anyway.

Main problem is that ZOS goes out with promises about it.
No you don't get back credited for doing undaunted dungeons.
You however get 10+20 points for doing the daily pledges, if you like doing dungeons and do them every day you will have earned the extra points in days.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

Harleyquinceyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Why would I?

I don't need to be put on top of some ranking in order to feel special. I am already special - to me at least. So yeah, doesn't really affect me the least. I am actually glad for those who don't have an equal amount of time to sink into the game as me and my mates have to begin at roughly the same starting point for the CS.

What did those who voted "Yes" expect? Being maxed out on the new CS when it launches? Having 10 more points? 100? 1.000? If someone's as good as he claims and so hardcore at this, he'll falcon punch the CS anyways and just waltz through it at max speed. So.. either those folks seem to have an odd misconception of "What is the playerbase? A ) People with 300+ hrs per week for gaming or B ) People with 15+ hrs per week for gaming?" (and how this affects balancing), or they are vain or maybe suffer some odd ego issues in my book.

See.. this is a game. So it's supposed to be fun. Imagine you're Average Joe and get to VR 10 when the CS launches. Suddenly, there's players who are 5.000+ game hours away from you and it even shows in their skillpoints / passives?

Seriously - if this was pretty much every. single. other. mmo. I have played, you'd be a) paying for 1.6 and b) not get any frigging headstart whatsoever.

I'll simply enjoy the bit of bonus and go do what I always do: Having fun.

actually i am not a "hardcore player" atm, and thats why i have more incentive to defend them. since i am NOT a hardcore player my time means more to me, because i have LESS of it. so if they applied this change to my small amount of available game time i know i would be livid. so i understand the inverse of having a substantial time invested. to me, my time has quality and their time has quantity. both require equal acknowledgment and a "equal" smattering of points isn't RIGHT for the party that has more time invested. fair is a myth that people use to divide a society.

You get a Time-Bonus for not playing a Character, so you can catch up faster to Players which plays more often then you. Maybe that helps you to see, that Zenimax try to offer more Fairnes to ALL Players.

This and the Point that every CP-Point gives a lower Bonus to a Skill, will help all the "lower " Lvls/Players to catch up to the Players, with more Time Ingame.

How good this works, we will see but they offer it. A fair Move, i mean.

P.S: Damn i see how often i explained the Time Bonus, am i the only One that see the whole Eso Live Show? I feel lonely, so lonely .

what are you slow? this is about having options- if a quester has no quests, then they can't quest. in order to get the "bonus" you have to NOT play. so i am supposed to sit a weekend out of game, to earn the bonus to grind out CPs on the next weekend i should already have via the quests i was assured would generate CPs when it was released?

the bonus should be there for the VR1s NOT the VR14s that have 100% completion in content for actually playing the game.

Hm, am i slow, no i dont think so. Maybe i was to fast for you, i explain it slow now.

Some People fear that they cant catch up to the other Players, which can play more often then they can do. That means, some People maybe with a "fulltime" Job or Familiy for an Example.

For this People, Zenimax offers the Time Bonus, with this Bonus they get more "EXP/CP" in the same Playtime, that other Players normaly get. So the People who cant be often Online have a better Chance to catch up the Players, who can be often Online.

You can gain the "EXP/CPs" through Grinding/Questing and doing Dungeons. If you are VR14 and dont have any Quest to do, you can do the Dailys or Dungeons etc.

What YOU want to do, sit around or grind is fully uninteresting, its your Choice. I talk over the fair Move that Zenimax offers this Time-Bonus to Players that CANT be often Online. It helps them.

If you are often Online you get "EXP/CPs" through all that what normaly gives EXP (Quest/Grind/Dailys/Dungeons) and if you cant be often Online you get a Bonus to all this Options you can do.

You say the Bonus should be for VR1 Players and not for VR14 Players, because they have so much Points. So you want an Advantage and get all the Time and "Work" a VR14 Player have invested, easier and faster? Why are you thinking that is ok? Because you mean it is ok?

For Sure, if a Player do more than another Player he gets more. And for the Players that cant be so often Online, the Time-Bonus is a Help.

What the Hell you dont understand, it is a good Thing and no one says you have to sit around Offline. If you can be often Online, you dont need and get this Bonus and if you cant be often Online you get the Bonus. What is wrong with you and you Anger-Management?

But np, if you want again that i explain it for you, maybe it is better you go Offline to get a "Think-Bonus", so you can catch up the Answer.

Jitterbug wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

This poll should be closed as the poll itself is based on incorecrt information. To clarify.

When your first toon hits VR1 they will be awarded a flat amount of champion points (30) and then afterwards ant exp you gain, OR HAVE GAINED will reward you with more points. This means that a player with two V14 toons will have champion points equal to the exp to get two V14 toons.

Now the next question you may ask, how is this fair to players who have not leveled many toons or have not played a long tine on one v14? Champion points give diminishing returns when invested, so if you spend one point in a given "passive?" your point gives you 1% of that value, the next gives you 0.9%, then 0.8% ect. So a player with 1000 champion points will not be super superior to a player with 100.

I hope this helps clear up the confusion a thread like this has caused.

Its not based on incorrect information in any way. It ask s a question, that is all. Why do people always try to add context that is not there. How the hell can it be clearer, if 30 is the cap will people quit. How is that ambiguous or based on false information?

I'm sure if you did a poll saying do you like polls with a yes or no answer, someone on here would say its biased or un representative.

30 is not the cap. That was not said or inferred to, the number 30 was used to describe the above scenario I mentioned. It's OK if you did not know, I just want to clear things up as you have quickly turned the wrong information into a quitting poll.

Your not very bright, at all. I never claimed that in the OP, read what was written before you get on your high horse.

Your not clearing up anything other than your not capable of reading.

Haha what a friendly community, good day. Hopefully I have saved a few some heartache.

yeah this 30gate brings out the best in people :-p
(and yes, I should stop trying to coin the phrase "30gate")

Jitterbug, stop trying to make "30gate" happen. It's not going to--

kallistiGAD wrote: »

Since 90% of the people who voted said no, beginning to think this 30gate (@Jitterbug ) "I AM UNSUBBING!" rage is coming from a vocal minority.

Well, bugger.

No, why would I unsub over a few passives. I just like running around whacking stuff and crafting. If I can still whack stuff and craft I will be happy.

i don't mind if there is a cap as long as there is enough content to gain points. content does NOT include:

1) forced grouping (craglorn)
2) repeating the same dungeons again and agian (undaunted)
3) repeating the same quests again and again (dailies)

yes, i do at times some grouping and also dailies but this as only content to gain those points is simply boring and will not keep me in the game.

and seriously, even with a full time jobb you should have managed to gain vr 14 by now a poor excuse for geting stuff without any efford.

edit: typos

Murmeltier wrote: »

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

Harleyquinceyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Why would I?

I don't need to be put on top of some ranking in order to feel special. I am already special - to me at least. So yeah, doesn't really affect me the least. I am actually glad for those who don't have an equal amount of time to sink into the game as me and my mates have to begin at roughly the same starting point for the CS.

What did those who voted "Yes" expect? Being maxed out on the new CS when it launches? Having 10 more points? 100? 1.000? If someone's as good as he claims and so hardcore at this, he'll falcon punch the CS anyways and just waltz through it at max speed. So.. either those folks seem to have an odd misconception of "What is the playerbase? A ) People with 300+ hrs per week for gaming or B ) People with 15+ hrs per week for gaming?" (and how this affects balancing), or they are vain or maybe suffer some odd ego issues in my book.

See.. this is a game. So it's supposed to be fun. Imagine you're Average Joe and get to VR 10 when the CS launches. Suddenly, there's players who are 5.000+ game hours away from you and it even shows in their skillpoints / passives?

Seriously - if this was pretty much every. single. other. mmo. I have played, you'd be a) paying for 1.6 and b) not get any frigging headstart whatsoever.

I'll simply enjoy the bit of bonus and go do what I always do: Having fun.

actually i am not a "hardcore player" atm, and thats why i have more incentive to defend them. since i am NOT a hardcore player my time means more to me, because i have LESS of it. so if they applied this change to my small amount of available game time i know i would be livid. so i understand the inverse of having a substantial time invested. to me, my time has quality and their time has quantity. both require equal acknowledgment and a "equal" smattering of points isn't RIGHT for the party that has more time invested. fair is a myth that people use to divide a society.

You get a Time-Bonus for not playing a Character, so you can catch up faster to Players which plays more often then you. Maybe that helps you to see, that Zenimax try to offer more Fairnes to ALL Players.

This and the Point that every CP-Point gives a lower Bonus to a Skill, will help all the "lower " Lvls/Players to catch up to the Players, with more Time Ingame.

How good this works, we will see but they offer it. A fair Move, i mean.

P.S: Damn i see how often i explained the Time Bonus, am i the only One that see the whole Eso Live Show? I feel lonely, so lonely .

what are you slow? this is about having options- if a quester has no quests, then they can't quest. in order to get the "bonus" you have to NOT play. so i am supposed to sit a weekend out of game, to earn the bonus to grind out CPs on the next weekend i should already have via the quests i was assured would generate CPs when it was released?

the bonus should be there for the VR1s NOT the VR14s that have 100% completion in content for actually playing the game.

Hm, am i slow, no i dont think so. Maybe i was to fast for you, i explain it slow now.

Some People fear that they cant catch up to the other Players, which can play more often then they can do. That means, some People maybe with a "fulltime" Job or Familiy for an Example.

For this People, Zenimax offers the Time Bonus, with this Bonus they get more "EXP/CP" in the same Playtime, that other Players normaly get. So the People who cant be often Online have a better Chance to catch up the Players, who can be often Online.

You can gain the "EXP/CPs" through Grinding/Questing and doing Dungeons. If you are VR14 and dont have any Quest to do, you can do the Dailys or Dungeons etc.

What YOU want to do, sit around or grind is fully uninteresting, its your Choice. I talk over the fair Move that Zenimax offers this Time-Bonus to Players that CANT be often Online. It helps them.

If you are often Online you get "EXP/CPs" through all that what normaly gives EXP (Quest/Grind/Dailys/Dungeons) and if you cant be often Online you get a Bonus to all this Options you can do.

You say the Bonus should be for VR1 Players and not for VR14 Players, because they have so much Points. So you want an Advantage and get all the Time and "Work" a VR14 Player have invested, easier and faster? Why are you thinking that is ok? Because you mean it is ok?

For Sure, if a Player do more than another Player he gets more. And for the Players that cant be so often Online, the Time-Bonus is a Help.

What the Hell you dont understand, it is a good Thing and no one says you have to sit around Offline. If you can be often Online, you dont need and get this Bonus and if you cant be often Online you get the Bonus. What is wrong with you and you Anger-Management?

But np, if you want again that i explain it for you, maybe it is better you go Offline to get a "Think-Bonus", so you can catch up the Answer.

first, you arent fast... read the post and COMPREHEND it before posting

my original:

"actually i am not a "hardcore player" atm, and thats why i have more incentive to defend them. since i am NOT a hardcore player my time means more to me, because i have LESS of it. so if they applied this change to my small amount of available game time i know i would be livid. so i understand the inverse of having a substantial time invested. to me, my time has quality and their time has quantity. both require equal acknowledgment and a "equal" smattering of points isn't RIGHT for the party that has more time invested. fair is a myth that people use to divide a society"

i AM the guy that would use the bonus. what i am saying about the bonus is its for those that don't play. not specifically to get people an even playing field so literally that a VR14 with no quests to do has the same advantage as a VR1 with silver and gold to run through. the VR14 may actually not be an exploiter that so many have claimed them to be, and did it legitimately and that was pointless because they have now a vr14 that can't back-quest to get that experience back. besides, a player doesn't play much, why would they even entertain the notion that they should be comparable to the end gamer.

VR1 should not have the same points as VR2, Vr3, vr4- nothing about anything of those ranks... are equal. thats the exact reason they are there, ones better than the previous and gives an advantage to the player. keep in mind, that this is a new system that overlays the old system they didn't like. this isnt a new feature to an expansion that includes 5+ new zones to quest through, explore, or delve in. people played with the knowledge that the quests were unnecessary after cap, because they werent getting experience. they did it because they enjoyed it, and then they add a system to replace their old system for post level cap character "refinement" with less opportunity and diversity and are pitted on PVP, mob grinds, dungeon delving.

anger management? no, people that think they should be "equal," despite inevitable inequality are getting incredibly annoying. even though the guy thats been questing and grinding at top level (vr14), he/she should have that experience they earned removed and replaced with 30 CP. this is DESPITE the fact that they said they were tracking and for players keep playing. i don't have a lot of time to play, and i do care about 15 bucks, when they announced the champion system was coming i debated spending more time around the house, more time at work, and canceling the account. but they said "keep playing" because they were "tracking" experience. thats the problem... the fact people don't hold them to that is what is angering.

I truly don't understand the concept behind this though.

Conjecture -> Assumption -> Anger -> Reaction.

This is a pretty bad way to make decisions.

yodased wrote: »

I truly don't understand the concept behind this though.

Conjecture -> Assumption -> Anger -> Reaction.

This is a pretty bad way to make decisions.

It's called Human Nature, react before you have the facts.....

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

Harleyquinceyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Why would I?

I don't need to be put on top of some ranking in order to feel special. I am already special - to me at least. So yeah, doesn't really affect me the least. I am actually glad for those who don't have an equal amount of time to sink into the game as me and my mates have to begin at roughly the same starting point for the CS.

What did those who voted "Yes" expect? Being maxed out on the new CS when it launches? Having 10 more points? 100? 1.000? If someone's as good as he claims and so hardcore at this, he'll falcon punch the CS anyways and just waltz through it at max speed. So.. either those folks seem to have an odd misconception of "What is the playerbase? A ) People with 300+ hrs per week for gaming or B ) People with 15+ hrs per week for gaming?" (and how this affects balancing), or they are vain or maybe suffer some odd ego issues in my book.

See.. this is a game. So it's supposed to be fun. Imagine you're Average Joe and get to VR 10 when the CS launches. Suddenly, there's players who are 5.000+ game hours away from you and it even shows in their skillpoints / passives?

Seriously - if this was pretty much every. single. other. mmo. I have played, you'd be a) paying for 1.6 and b) not get any frigging headstart whatsoever.

I'll simply enjoy the bit of bonus and go do what I always do: Having fun.

actually i am not a "hardcore player" atm, and thats why i have more incentive to defend them. since i am NOT a hardcore player my time means more to me, because i have LESS of it. so if they applied this change to my small amount of available game time i know i would be livid. so i understand the inverse of having a substantial time invested. to me, my time has quality and their time has quantity. both require equal acknowledgment and a "equal" smattering of points isn't RIGHT for the party that has more time invested. fair is a myth that people use to divide a society.

You get a Time-Bonus for not playing a Character, so you can catch up faster to Players which plays more often then you. Maybe that helps you to see, that Zenimax try to offer more Fairnes to ALL Players.

This and the Point that every CP-Point gives a lower Bonus to a Skill, will help all the "lower " Lvls/Players to catch up to the Players, with more Time Ingame.

How good this works, we will see but they offer it. A fair Move, i mean.

P.S: Damn i see how often i explained the Time Bonus, am i the only One that see the whole Eso Live Show? I feel lonely, so lonely .

what are you slow? this is about having options- if a quester has no quests, then they can't quest. in order to get the "bonus" you have to NOT play. so i am supposed to sit a weekend out of game, to earn the bonus to grind out CPs on the next weekend i should already have via the quests i was assured would generate CPs when it was released?

the bonus should be there for the VR1s NOT the VR14s that have 100% completion in content for actually playing the game.

And here we go again, for the last Time.

You started your Writings with *are you slow*, thats a personal Attack. Dont wonder you get a Slap back. Thats the Reason i asked you whats wrong with your Anger-Management. We dont have to dicuss this, we dont need to be Friends, it is ok.

Second, i explained you that the System is a Bonus for People who cant Play often. That is the Reason why the Devs implemented this. Thats a Fact, we dont need to discuss this too.

Third, both lower and higher Levels can use it. You dont Need Quests for this. You can use *(1) Grinding/Dungeons/Raids and Quests. Thats a Fact. So every Player can use this System. It is a good and fair Move from Zenimax.

If you mean it is unfair because you mean that a VR14 that reach his Level through Questing without that Bonus and the VR1 can use the Bonus to reach Level VR14 faster, than it is your Line of Sight.

It is easier for the lower Chars now to reach his VR14. But a VR14 can use this System at the same Time to get more and more *(1) EXP/CP. So both have a Bonus and start at the same Time. It is not unfair, both can use it and start at the same Time.

So i offered some Facts and yes maybe we dont understand 100% what we both want from each other. But a Fact is a Fact. And remember, dont start with Things like *are you slow*, this is a bad Start for a rational Discussion.

Ever since EverQuest created Alternate Advancement for level capped characters, I've felt that all MMORPGs should have almost limitless progression, even if you're only talking about fractions at a time.

I profoundly respect the views of those who are concerned over any question of uncertainty and therefore wish to hold back from playing, and paying for, the game until that uncertainty is removed.

However, that is very different from the lack of respect I hold for those who apply a half-baked misinterpretation to every comment from ZOS that they insist on dissecting, and then run a QQ poll as a result.