Do you think that ZOS should give higher-level VR characters more Champion Points?

Neizir · December 2014

TehMagnus · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

Real question should have been: Do you think ZOS should keep their promise & award Champion Points according to the XP they said they where tracking?

Rodario · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

Or give us seven days of "enlightened" per million XP gathered in VR. Which you have been diligently tracking, as promised, right?

Syldayan · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

This is a game , you play for fun . it's not a job in a factory ... ( grinding it's always like a boring job for me).
I think if zos give 30 cp per account it's mostly for testing purpose ( xp per cp player earn , balancing stuff ...)

the only mistake they made is to tell " we track the xp for the cp system" and i'm sure some grind like mad only for the purpose of beating the others player like " lolol111 !!! i'm rocks you with my 600 cp build ! nooobzz" ...

TehMagnus · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

Syldayan wrote: »

This is a game , you play for fun . it's not a job in a factory ... ( grinding it's always like a boring job for me).
I think if zos give 30 cp per account it's mostly for testing purpose ( xp per cp player earn , balancing stuff ...)

the only mistake they made is to tell " we track the xp for the cp system" and i'm sure some grind like mad only for the purpose of beating the others player like " lolol111 !!! i'm rocks you with my 600 cp build ! nooobzz" ...

" grinding it's always like a boring job for me" <= And what do you think WE, the people playing since day one, the people who have been subbed non stop to this game, the most dedicated players of the game, are going to have to do in order to get more Champion points?

Most of our characters are VR14 with most if not all quests done. The only thing left for us is grind to get Champion points, when people (prolly like you) who aren't VR14, only have to quest & explore to get Champion points. So people are raging because new players will have an advantage over old players regarding Champion points earnings. How the f* is that logical?

SIN-X · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

Syldayan if you play for fun then it should be fun for you either way....You made no sense.

Syldayan · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

magnusnet wrote: »

Syldayan wrote: »

This is a game , you play for fun . it's not a job in a factory ... ( grinding it's always like a boring job for me).
I think if zos give 30 cp per account it's mostly for testing purpose ( xp per cp player earn , balancing stuff ...)

the only mistake they made is to tell " we track the xp for the cp system" and i'm sure some grind like mad only for the purpose of beating the others player like " lolol111 !!! i'm rocks you with my 600 cp build ! nooobzz" ...

" grinding it's always like a boring job for me" <= And what do you think WE, the people playing since day one, the people who have been subbed non stop to this game, the most dedicated players of the game, are going to have to do in order to get more Champion points?

Most of our characters are VR14 with most if not all quests done. The only thing left for us is grind to get Champion points, when people (prolly like you) who aren't VR14, only have to quest & explore to get Champion points. So people are raging because new players will have an advantage over old players regarding Champion points earnings. How the f* is that logical?

you play like a complesionist grinder( i see your sign with timer on AA stuff) and you acuse me of not playing like you . You can be "dedicated" to a game with different style of play ( RP, PVP, high end dungeon grinder, complesionist , crafting...) and be a part of this game .

What you want is just an edge against others players because "i play like this and this way normally give me superiority on others" , in fact i dont care if you have 0 to 600 CP at the launch of the 1.6 but i think it's better for the game to have a low CP at the launch.

maybe they can give 1 CP per VR on the account , this put the max to 102 pts.

Guppet · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

I think they do deserve more, not quite to the degree that some are saying. Maybe +1 per VR level up to a max of 30 additional, so double the base rate for having 30 VR levels in all.

Syldayan · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

8*14= 112 CP max per account* my mistake

Misa · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

I don't see why some players should have an advantage over players that came later, unless new players will be able to get the same amount of points in the end?

Leon119 · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

Misa wrote: »

I don't see why some players should have an advantage over players that came later, unless new players will be able to get the same amount of points in the end?

every1 will get the same in the end.

so yeah people who played the game and enjoyed it, because if for some just doing crafting and RP can be fun but other people play the game and enjoy it because they know that i play more than person X i have more experience ( skill in game ) and more time invested so i am better. some people do enjoy this, not a sense of superiority but knowing that the extra hard work you put in the game actually matters compared to more casual players who enjoy ( and good for them, nothing against it ) the game by doing something else in it

Govalon · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

I would rather start from 0 than have any CP. Champion system was supposed to give us endless progression. We are not supposed to be worried about how many CP we have and we are not supposed to max the CP trees. CP system was supposed to let us progress our characters when we were max level, when we had completed the game, when we had done the quests. I don't care that I don't have any quests left to complete. Quests are not goin to give a big benefit to anyone anyway. It is not like you get all the CP from just quests.

I believe that VR1 that has not done any quest will end up with something like 100 cp when he has done them all. There are still more than 95% from all CP to achieve so not a big deal. I say this again, you are not supposed to max your CP. EVER. Nobody is going to get significant number of CP from quests. Doing all the quests gives you really really really small amount of CP of the max amount you can get. Few months from now you all will realize that those few CP that people got from quests made no difference whatsoever

AllPlayAndNoWork · December 2014

Isn't it just temporary ??.... Everyone gets the same in the 1st instance. Then as they say your rank and XP gained when the system is fully implemented (initially we will still hold our V14 rank come 1.6) will determine how many points you get in the future.

Rodario · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Isn't it just temporary ??.... Everyone gets the same in the 1st instance. Then as they say your rank and XP gained when the system is fully implemented (initially we will still hold our V14 rank come 1.6) will determine how many points you get in the future.

I hope so.

Rosveen · December 2014

Misa wrote: »

I don't see why some players should have an advantage over players that came later, unless new players will be able to get the same amount of points in the end?

The cap is the same for everyone: 3600 points. The question is if everyone should begin at the same level or if higher vets should have more points. Giving everyone 30 points at the start and then nothing once the veteran system is phased out effectively nullifies any XP people earned above VR1.

TehMagnus · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

Syldayan wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Syldayan wrote: »

This is a game , you play for fun . it's not a job in a factory ... ( grinding it's always like a boring job for me).
I think if zos give 30 cp per account it's mostly for testing purpose ( xp per cp player earn , balancing stuff ...)

the only mistake they made is to tell " we track the xp for the cp system" and i'm sure some grind like mad only for the purpose of beating the others player like " lolol111 !!! i'm rocks you with my 600 cp build ! nooobzz" ...

" grinding it's always like a boring job for me" <= And what do you think WE, the people playing since day one, the people who have been subbed non stop to this game, the most dedicated players of the game, are going to have to do in order to get more Champion points?

Most of our characters are VR14 with most if not all quests done. The only thing left for us is grind to get Champion points, when people (prolly like you) who aren't VR14, only have to quest & explore to get Champion points. So people are raging because new players will have an advantage over old players regarding Champion points earnings. How the f* is that logical?

you play like a complesionist grinder( i see your sign with timer on AA stuff) and you acuse me of not playing like you . You can be "dedicated" to a game with different style of play ( RP, PVP, high end dungeon grinder, complesionist , crafting...) and be a part of this game .

What you want is just an edge against others players because "i play like this and this way normally give me superiority on others" , in fact i dont care if you have 0 to 600 CP at the launch of the 1.6 but i think it's better for the game to have a low CP at the launch.

maybe they can give 1 CP per VR on the account , this put the max to 102 pts.

#1: I'm not a complesionist grinder, I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. I maxed my character and I compete in End Game PVE, that's all I do, all I care about in this game.

#2: What I want as well as many others, is for Zenimax to hold true to what they said: Keep playing, your XP gains will be taken into account when champion system hits and we award Champion Points. I don't need an edge, I already have it, I earned it, and I don't see why I should loose it and be on the same level as people who haven't invested as much as I have into the game.

How would you feel if you where wealthy and tomorrow the gov & banks announced a new currency was being introduced in your country, but instead of exchanging your old money for the new money, the gov just puts 30 units of that new money in everybody's bank account? I guess not happy.

The only people that would be happy are the poor people that never did any work and are getting 30 units of that new cash for free, which I suppose is where people like you come in and try to explain with different laughable excuses how this system is fair in any way.

TehMagnus · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

It's really not that complicated actually, ZOS has a way to know how much XP we have earned with our characters. If it's 1 million XP per Champion point then award 1 Champion point per million XP earned. If they decide the cap should be 100 points to avoid people getting too far ahead and 30 minimum to let everybody enjoy the bonusses, then award up to 100 champion points to the players who have grinded more than 100 million XP and 30 minimum to everybody else who hasn't earned at least 30 million XP...

This is fair and not hard to implement and sure as hell beats this communist vision of putting everybody at the same level and advantaging people who aren't VR14 yet.

LarsS · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

I do understand the desicion, for phase 3. Vet ranks will still be in the game and v14 is much stronger than v1. When vet ranks disapears I do expect compensation for high vet characters, but that is phase 4.

NotSo · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

A vr14 with a dedicated armor set already has a distinct advantage over a fresh vr1 wearing pug gear so as long as the cp gap isn't more than that (which is huge) it should be good to go.

Audigy · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

The question isn't if we like that a VR 14 has more points or not. What we need to determine is how the game will get a nice restart with 1.6.

If we give VR 14 players a lot of points then the game will need to be adjusted for them, making it harder for everyone else.

Maria explained that nicely during ESO live.

She mentioned that people who are questing in an area right now, who do raid etc. should still be able to do that once 1.6 hits.

If ZO would now take into account what a VR 14 has and then balances all content around those available CP´s, then only the VR 14 players would still be able to do their content, while everyone else would be lost as they didn't grind the XP in advance.

Besides that, new players would face a huge difficulty right from the start, as also the 1-50 content would be balanced around a VR 14 players CPs.

Therefore it is understandable that ZO wants to keep its playerbase as close together as possible and I believe that those 30 CP´s are the exact number that makes this possible.
It wont be too hard for newcomers or non VR 14, but it also wont be too easy for seasoned players. Its a nice middle ground in the end.

What I find sad about VR 14 players is their attitude and ignorance in that matter. They don't see nor understand that this game isn't only about them. There are many more players playing, many who are far from a full list of Rank 14 chars. These people have a right to play as well and destroying the game for them just to give grinders an advantage would be silly.

Elloa · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

While I don't care at all for myself, I'm hapy either way, seeing the passionated reactions of the players.
I believe the fairest way to content everyone, is to give a percentage of the XP tracked (even a small percentage would do) in champion point for the players that have believed their progress would be saved, and this once the veteran Ranks are removed. Not before, obviously.

Now, I can't help but think that farming and grinding levels in advance of something that is not happening yet is quite stupid, but well ....

That's another debate.

DeLindsay · December 2014

You forgot to add a poll option "Who cares, STOP whining".

BBSooner · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

I say no, but really I don't care either way. If the do great, if they don't that's fine. I don't expect new content to reward me for existing before said content is released, in the same way I don't expect to be rewarded on level cap increases for gaining experience at the previous cap.

GorraShatan · December 2014

Presumably this will happen once VR levels are removed. They aren't removed yet though, so yah.

xaraan · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

Yes.
I don't think it should be a huge amount - I understood from the get-go there would be a cap on initial points (though they said a very few number of players will hit that cap) but that tells me right there that we wouldn't see an even exchange of millions of xp for cp. So I wasn't expecting it. However, I also wasn't expecting to be treated like a v1 that still has all the silver/gold content ahead of them when I do not.

But, if they aren't going to do all the extra points for vet levels until vet levels are removed, that's fine as well. They should just take two seconds and say that is the case.

AlnilamE · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

I will change my vote to Yes if they bring back the 14400 CP instead of the 3600 they thought was more appropriate after internal testing.

If we want ZOS to keep their word even if it goes against feedback they received and the results of testing, then they should keep EVERYTHING as originally stated, whether it's workable or not.

AlexDougherty · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

Syldayan wrote: »

This is a game , you play for fun . it's not a job in a factory ... ( grinding it's always like a boring job for me).
I think if zos give 30 cp per account it's mostly for testing purpose ( xp per cp player earn , balancing stuff ...)

the only mistake they made is to tell " we track the xp for the cp system" and i'm sure some grind like mad only for the purpose of beating the others player like " lolol111 !!! i'm rocks you with my 600 cp build ! nooobzz" ...

Those people have already done the quests that could generate the CPs, so it's only fair they get the cP they would have earned.

My highest character is VR3 by the way, so while I am biased, it's biased in the other direction, but my sense of justice and fairplay says they should be rewarded.

Lynx7386 · December 2014

No, everyone should have the same amount of Champion Points even if V14s have to grind for it.

I think everyone should start at zero champion points just for all of this whining.

Zouni · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

When will people realize that it is about the profits that drive a company these days. The only loyalty that applies here is your monthly sub - Merry Christmas!!

Gyudan · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

I like the fact that @Castle (forum mod) voted no. Way to go @ZOS!

xaraan · December 2014

Yes, give the extra Champion Points to the people that put in the effort to get to a higher vet level.

AlnilamE wrote: »

I will change my vote to Yes if they bring back the 14400 CP instead of the 3600 they thought was more appropriate after internal testing.

If we want ZOS to keep their word even if it goes against feedback they received and the results of testing, then they should keep EVERYTHING as originally stated, whether it's workable or not.

I don't care about that, be fine, BUT doesn't really make the fact the "changed" the amount fair. If they reduced the points to 25% of what it was, then that same rate should just apply to what they were going to give players. That's not reason to not give v14s more than v1s.

What we really need to know is if they plan on some further point work coming with vet ranks are removed.

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